Son of Man - Revision history

Aschlafly: /* Prophecy in Psalms and Ezekiel */ In Ezekiel 39:1, the phrase "son of man" is used in reference to mankind, not to the Son of God. The Common English Bible translates this phrase here as "human one," while the Complete Jewis

2025-07-31T17:11:09Z

‎Prophecy in Psalms and Ezekiel: In Ezekiel 39:1, the phrase "son of man" is used in reference to mankind, not to the Son of God. The Common English Bible translates this phrase here as "human one," while the Complete Jewis

Aschlafly: Psalm 146:3

2025-07-06T02:00:51Z

Psalm 146:3

Aschlafly: improved

2023-12-25T07:04:00Z

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Aschlafly at 03:15, December 17, 2023

2023-12-17T03:15:23Z

Aschlafly: The Gospel of Luke says that Jesus "will be called the Son of the Most High."

2023-12-17T03:15:08Z

The Gospel of Luke says that Jesus "will be called the Son of the Most High."

Aschlafly: Notably, the Gospel of John does not use the phrase the same way as the other Gospels do.

2023-05-03T02:01:14Z

Notably, the Gospel of John does not use the phrase the same way as the other Gospels do.

Aschlafly at 02:32, September 5, 2021

2021-09-05T02:32:17Z

Aschlafly: The use of the phrase in Luke 6:5 shows that "The Son as Man" makes more sense than "Son of man"

2021-09-05T02:31:40Z

The use of the phrase in Luke 6:5 shows that "The Son as Man" makes more sense than "Son of man"

Aschlafly: improved, with quote and reference

2020-11-29T01:40:08Z

improved, with quote and reference

Aschlafly at 04:33, October 12, 2020

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 {{cquote|Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord God: “You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.}}
 Ezekiel 28:12 (ESV).
 == Literal Translation ==
 The pedantic translation of "'''ὁ υἱὸς τοὺ ἀνθρώπου'''" is "'''the Son of the Man'''," as τοὺ ἀνθρώπου is the genitive of ὁ ἄνθρωπος - (the) man. This translation is used, e.g., in the [[KJB|King James Bible]], the [[New American Standard Bible]] or the [[New International Version]]. This rendition is inconsistent with how the similar Greek phrase that replaces "of man" with "of peace" is better translated as "a peaceful person," "someone who promotes peace," or "a man of peace" <ref>The NASB translates the Greek word for "son" non-literally as "man", in order to convey the meaning of the phrase.</ref> in Luke 10:6, rather than as  the literal phrase "a son of peace."<ref>"'''ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ Θεοῦ'''" is translated as "'''the Son of God'''"</ref> (a translation used in the [[King James Bible]] and the [[English Standard Version]].) But in English the overly literal translation as "the Son of Man" is incoherent, and the phrase interferes with the clear logic of the important passage surrounding [[John 3:16]].

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 [[File:Herran El cofrade de San Miguel.jpg|thumb|'''El cofrade de San Miguel''' by [[Saturnino Herran]].]]
 "'''Son of Man'''" is a common mistranslation, preferred by [[liberals]], which obscures Jesus's divinity.  [[Jesus]] used an artful phrase to convey his divinity without committing the capital offense of blasphemy, which would have terminated His ministry before it completed.  Notably, the [[Gospel of John]] does not use the phrase the same way as the other [[Gospels]] do.<ref>"The term, Son of man, is used by Jesus 80 times as a way to refer to himself (32 times in Matthew; 14 times in Mark; 26 times in Luke; and 10 times in a qualitatively different way from the Synoptic Gospels in John). ...
-The term occurs only five times in the rest of the New Testament outside the Gospels. In Acts 7:56, Stephen says that he sees the heaven open and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God; Hebrews 2:6 quotes Psalm 8:4 and applies the words to Jesus ...; and in Revelation 1:13-15 and 14:14 Jesus is 'One like a Son of man' (ὅμοιον υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου) and described in terms that evoke the imagery of Daniel 7 ...." [http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S2305-08532017000300004]</ref>  The [[Gospel of Luke]] says that Jesus "will be called the Son of the Most High."<ref>{{bibleref|Luke|1|32}} ([[ESV]])</ref>
+The term occurs only five times in the rest of the New Testament outside the Gospels. In Acts 7:56, Stephen says that he sees the heaven open and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God; Hebrews 2:6 quotes Psalm 8:4 and applies the words to Jesus ...; and in Revelation 1:13-15 and 14:14 Jesus is 'One like a Son of man' (ὅμοιον υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου) and described in terms that evoke the imagery of Daniel 7 ...." [http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S2305-08532017000300004]</ref>  The [[Gospel of Luke]] says that Jesus "will be called the Son of the Most High."<ref>{{bibleref|Luke|1|32}} ([[ESV]])</ref> [[Psalm 146|Psalm 146:3]] uses the phrase "son of man" in a negative way: "Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help."
 A better English translation which conveys the divinity would be "'''''The Son, as man'''''."<ref>Other possible translations are "The Son, a human being," "The Son, a man," or "The Son became Man" (the latter would commit blasphemy, however, which Jesus needed to avoid at the outset of his ministry).</ref>  In other words, '''''simply replace "of" with "as" to restore the intended implication of divinity''''', without committing blasphemy under the strict rules of the time.  The versatility of "as" in modern English conveys the meaning of the awkward, unusual Greek phrase better than "of" does.

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 The term occurs only five times in the rest of the New Testament outside the Gospels. In Acts 7:56, Stephen says that he sees the heaven open and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God; Hebrews 2:6 quotes Psalm 8:4 and applies the words to Jesus ...; and in Revelation 1:13-15 and 14:14 Jesus is 'One like a Son of man' (ὅμοιον υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου) and described in terms that evoke the imagery of Daniel 7 ...." [http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S2305-08532017000300004]</ref>  The [[Gospel of Luke]] says that Jesus "will be called the Son of the Most High."<ref>{{bibleref|Luke|1|32}} ([[ESV]])</ref>
-A better English translation which conveys the divinity would be "'''''The Son as man'''''."<ref>Other possible translations are "The Son, a human being," "The Son, a man," or "The Son became Man" (the latter would commit blasphemy, however, which Jesus needed to avoid at the outset of his ministry).</ref>  In other words, '''''simply replace "of" with "as" to restore the intended implication of divinity''''', without committing blasphemy under the strict rules of the time.  The versatility of "as" in modern English conveys the meaning of the awkward, unusual Greek phrase better than "of" does.
+A better English translation which conveys the divinity would be "'''''The Son, as man'''''."<ref>Other possible translations are "The Son, a human being," "The Son, a man," or "The Son became Man" (the latter would commit blasphemy, however, which Jesus needed to avoid at the outset of his ministry).</ref>  In other words, '''''simply replace "of" with "as" to restore the intended implication of divinity''''', without committing blasphemy under the strict rules of the time.  The versatility of "as" in modern English conveys the meaning of the awkward, unusual Greek phrase better than "of" does.
-The then-blasphemous declaration by [[Stephen]] which caused him to be martyred is better translated as "The Son as man" rather than as "the Son of Man":
+The then-blasphemous declaration by [[Stephen]] which caused him to be martyred is better translated as "The Son, as man" rather than as "the Son of Man":
 *[[NIV]]: “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” (Acts 7:56 NIV translation)
-*Better: He said, “Look, I see the heavens open, and The Son as man stands at God's right hand.” [[Acts 1-9 (Translated)#7:56|Acts 7:56]]
+*Better: He said, “Look, I see the heavens open, and The Son, as man, stands at God's right hand.” [[Acts 1-9 (Translated)#7:56|Acts 7:56]]
-The use of the phrase in [[Luke 1-8 (Translated)#6:5|Luke 6:5]] shows that "The Son as man" makes more sense than "Son of man":
+The use of the phrase in [[Luke 1-8 (Translated)#6:5|Luke 6:5]] shows that "The Son, as man" makes more sense than "Son of man":
 *[[KJV]]: And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the [[sabbath]].
-*Better: Jesus told them, "The Son as man is also Lord of the Sabbath!"
+*Better: Jesus told them, "The Son, as man, is also Lord of the Sabbath!"
-The use of the phrase in Mark 10:45 illustrates the flaws in the "Son of Man" and the superiority of the "Son as man" as the English translation:
+The use of the phrase in Mark 10:45 illustrates the flaws in the "Son of Man" and the superiority of the "Son, as man" as the English translation:
 *For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve (NIV)
-*For even the Son as man did not come to be served, but to serve
+*For even the Son, as man, did not come to be served, but to serve
 In Luke 24:7 use of the phrase "Son of Man" is confusing to the meaning, while use of "Son as man" would be much clearer:

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 [[File:Herran El cofrade de San Miguel.jpg|thumb|'''El cofrade de San Miguel''' by [[Saturnino Herran]].]]
 "'''Son of Man'''" is a common mistranslation, preferred by [[liberals]], which obscures Jesus's divinity.  [[Jesus]] used an artful phrase to convey his divinity without committing the capital offense of blasphemy, which would have terminated His ministry before it completed.  Notably, the [[Gospel of John]] does not use the phrase the same way as the other [[Gospels]] do.<ref>"The term, Son of man, is used by Jesus 80 times as a way to refer to himself (32 times in Matthew; 14 times in Mark; 26 times in Luke; and 10 times in a qualitatively different way from the Synoptic Gospels in John). ...
-The term occurs only five times in the rest of the New Testament outside the Gospels. In Acts 7:56, Stephen says that he sees the heaven open and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God; Hebrews 2:6 quotes Psalm 8:4 and applies the words to Jesus ...; and in Revelation 1:13-15 and 14:14 Jesus is 'One like a Son of man' (ὅμοιον υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου) and described in terms that evoke the imagery of Daniel 7 ...." [http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S2305-08532017000300004]</ref>  [[The Gospel of Luke]] says that Jesus "will be called the Son of the Most High."<ref>{{bibleref|Luke|1|32}} ([[ESV]])</ref>
+The term occurs only five times in the rest of the New Testament outside the Gospels. In Acts 7:56, Stephen says that he sees the heaven open and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God; Hebrews 2:6 quotes Psalm 8:4 and applies the words to Jesus ...; and in Revelation 1:13-15 and 14:14 Jesus is 'One like a Son of man' (ὅμοιον υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου) and described in terms that evoke the imagery of Daniel 7 ...." [http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S2305-08532017000300004]</ref>  The [[Gospel of Luke]] says that Jesus "will be called the Son of the Most High."<ref>{{bibleref|Luke|1|32}} ([[ESV]])</ref>
 A better English translation which conveys the divinity would be "'''''The Son as man'''''."<ref>Other possible translations are "The Son, a human being," "The Son, a man," or "The Son became Man" (the latter would commit blasphemy, however, which Jesus needed to avoid at the outset of his ministry).</ref>  In other words, '''''simply replace "of" with "as" to restore the intended implication of divinity''''', without committing blasphemy under the strict rules of the time.  The versatility of "as" in modern English conveys the meaning of the awkward, unusual Greek phrase better than "of" does.

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 [[File:Herran El cofrade de San Miguel.jpg|thumb|'''El cofrade de San Miguel''' by [[Saturnino Herran]].]]
 "'''Son of Man'''" is a common mistranslation, preferred by [[liberals]], which obscures Jesus's divinity.  [[Jesus]] used an artful phrase to convey his divinity without committing the capital offense of blasphemy, which would have terminated His ministry before it completed.  Notably, the [[Gospel of John]] does not use the phrase the same way as the other [[Gospels]] do.<ref>"The term, Son of man, is used by Jesus 80 times as a way to refer to himself (32 times in Matthew; 14 times in Mark; 26 times in Luke; and 10 times in a qualitatively different way from the Synoptic Gospels in John). ...
-The term occurs only five times in the rest of the New Testament outside the Gospels. In Acts 7:56, Stephen says that he sees the heaven open and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God; Hebrews 2:6 quotes Psalm 8:4 and applies the words to Jesus ...; and in Revelation 1:13-15 and 14:14 Jesus is 'One like a Son of man' (ὅμοιον υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου) and described in terms that evoke the imagery of Daniel 7 ...." [http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S2305-08532017000300004]</ref>
+The term occurs only five times in the rest of the New Testament outside the Gospels. In Acts 7:56, Stephen says that he sees the heaven open and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God; Hebrews 2:6 quotes Psalm 8:4 and applies the words to Jesus ...; and in Revelation 1:13-15 and 14:14 Jesus is 'One like a Son of man' (ὅμοιον υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου) and described in terms that evoke the imagery of Daniel 7 ...." [http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S2305-08532017000300004]</ref>  [[The Gospel of Luke]] says that Jesus "will be called the Son of the Most High."<ref>{{bibleref|Luke|1|32}} ([[ESV]])</ref>
 A better English translation which conveys the divinity would be "'''''The Son as man'''''."<ref>Other possible translations are "The Son, a human being," "The Son, a man," or "The Son became Man" (the latter would commit blasphemy, however, which Jesus needed to avoid at the outset of his ministry).</ref>  In other words, '''''simply replace "of" with "as" to restore the intended implication of divinity''''', without committing blasphemy under the strict rules of the time.  The versatility of "as" in modern English conveys the meaning of the awkward, unusual Greek phrase better than "of" does.

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 or perhaps better still:
 *The Son, a human being, must be delivered into the hands of sinful men ([[Luke_17-24_(Translated)#Chapter_24]])
 Of necessity, [[Jesus]] could only imply during his ministry that he was divine, in order to avoid being put to death for [[blasphemy]] before his preaching and works were completed.<ref>Blasphemy was punishable by death under the [[Old Testament]] and by a lesser penalty under Roman law. [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02595a.htm]</ref>  '''''Because of blasphemy laws, Jesus often could only imply his divinity without expressly saying so'''''. <ref>This is made particularly clear by how Jesus used the phrase immediately after his divinity was revealed to several [[Apostles]] and [[God]] confirmed Jesus is His son: “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!” ... Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.” Matt 17:5,9 ([[ESV]]).</ref>