Talk:Christian In Name Only - Revision history

RobSmith: This article should be deleted.

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This article should be deleted.

1990'sguy: /* Billy Graham */

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‎Billy Graham

1990'sguy: /* Billy Graham */

2016-12-29T17:37:58Z

‎Billy Graham

Ambassador: Talk

2016-12-29T16:55:57Z

Talk

DavidB4: /* Billy Graham */ new section

2016-12-29T06:35:46Z

‎Billy Graham: new section

MattyD: /* Term */

2012-09-17T22:23:01Z

‎Term

Karajou: /* Term */

2012-09-17T22:03:13Z

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AlanE: Reply

2012-09-17T21:27:57Z

MattyD at 12:27, September 17, 2012

2012-09-17T12:27:14Z

AlanE at 05:32, September 17, 2012

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	::I added the info along with the source. --[[User:1990'sguy\|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy\|talk]]) 16:27, 31 December 2016 (EST)		::I added the info along with the source. --[[User:1990'sguy\|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy\|talk]]) 16:27, 31 December 2016 (EST)
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		+	==This article should be deleted==
		+	It (a) violates Conservapedia Commandments against gossip and (b) violates Jesus' instructions to "judge not lest ye be judged". To his own master he rises and falls. It is hypocritical in the extreme, and makes Conservapedia as a whole appear hypocritical. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:05, June 29, 2021 (EDT)

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	:Yowza, that is terrible for a guy like Graham to say blatantly unbiblical things like that. I can support removing the "disputed" tag, but only if a clearer reason is added, along with this article, in order to prevent another discussion like this. --[[User:1990'sguy\|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy\|talk]]) 12:37, 29 December 2016 (EST)		:Yowza, that is terrible for a guy like Graham to say blatantly unbiblical things like that. I can support removing the "disputed" tag, but only if a clearer reason is added, along with this article, in order to prevent another discussion like this. --[[User:1990'sguy\|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy\|talk]]) 12:37, 29 December 2016 (EST)
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		+	::I added the info along with the source. --[[User:1990'sguy\|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy\|talk]]) 16:27, 31 December 2016 (EST)

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	I agree. Anybody who doesn't know he's a heretic should read this: [http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/graham.php] --[[User:Ambassador\|Ambassador]] ([[User talk:Ambassador\|talk]]) 11:55, 29 December 2016 (EST)		I agree. Anybody who doesn't know he's a heretic should read this: [http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/graham.php] --[[User:Ambassador\|Ambassador]] ([[User talk:Ambassador\|talk]]) 11:55, 29 December 2016 (EST)
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		+	:Yowza, that is terrible for a guy like Graham to say blatantly unbiblical things like that. I can support removing the "disputed" tag, but only if a clearer reason is added, along with this article, in order to prevent another discussion like this. --[[User:1990'sguy\|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy\|talk]]) 12:37, 29 December 2016 (EST)

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	I'm fine with leaving it as "(disputed)," but I tend to agree that Billy Graham belongs on this list. I think he's been used mightily, and for a while acted as a true Christian. However, he keeps moving in the wrong direction. For example, referring to Catholics and Jews as saved goes against scripture. They may be allies in many ways, but it's not the same thing. He keeps increasing the breadth of his ministry at the cost of depth, and I find it hard to believe that a true believer who is walking closely with the Lord would do this. --[[User:DavidB4\|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4\|TALK]])</small></sup> 01:35, 29 December 2016 (EST)		I'm fine with leaving it as "(disputed)," but I tend to agree that Billy Graham belongs on this list. I think he's been used mightily, and for a while acted as a true Christian. However, he keeps moving in the wrong direction. For example, referring to Catholics and Jews as saved goes against scripture. They may be allies in many ways, but it's not the same thing. He keeps increasing the breadth of his ministry at the cost of depth, and I find it hard to believe that a true believer who is walking closely with the Lord would do this. --[[User:DavidB4\|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4\|TALK]])</small></sup> 01:35, 29 December 2016 (EST)
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		+	I agree. Anybody who doesn't know he's a heretic should read this: [http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/graham.php] --[[User:Ambassador\|Ambassador]] ([[User talk:Ambassador\|talk]]) 11:55, 29 December 2016 (EST)

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	:::"She was tight with Margaret Sanger"? She could have changed in the last years of her life, repented, and accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior. That would put her in the Kingdom of God, because that is all anyone has to do. But be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 9-10). [[User:Karajou\|Karajou]] 18:03, 17 September 2012 (EDT)		:::"She was tight with Margaret Sanger"? She could have changed in the last years of her life, repented, and accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior. That would put her in the Kingdom of God, because that is all anyone has to do. But be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 9-10). [[User:Karajou\|Karajou]] 18:03, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
	::::I would certainly be open to evaluating any evidence that she changed in her final years or even days. [[User:MattyD\|MattyD]] 18:23, 17 September 2012 (EDT)		::::I would certainly be open to evaluating any evidence that she changed in her final years or even days. [[User:MattyD\|MattyD]] 18:23, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
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		+	I'm fine with leaving it as "(disputed)," but I tend to agree that Billy Graham belongs on this list. I think he's been used mightily, and for a while acted as a true Christian. However, he keeps moving in the wrong direction. For example, referring to Catholics and Jews as saved goes against scripture. They may be allies in many ways, but it's not the same thing. He keeps increasing the breadth of his ministry at the cost of depth, and I find it hard to believe that a true believer who is walking closely with the Lord would do this. --[[User:DavidB4\|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4\|TALK]])</small></sup> 01:35, 29 December 2016 (EST)

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	::Seeing as liberal Christians are now a generic brand of XINO, how about adding another: ''Any member of any Church or Christian organisation who has ever indecently abused a young person or knows of such abuse and has not notified the appropriate authorities''. [[User:AlanE\|AlanE]] 17:27, 17 September 2012 (EDT)		::Seeing as liberal Christians are now a generic brand of XINO, how about adding another: ''Any member of any Church or Christian organisation who has ever indecently abused a young person or knows of such abuse and has not notified the appropriate authorities''. [[User:AlanE\|AlanE]] 17:27, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
	:::"She was tight with Margaret Sanger"? She could have changed in the last years of her life, repented, and accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior. That would put her in the Kingdom of God, because that is all anyone has to do. But be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 9-10). [[User:Karajou\|Karajou]] 18:03, 17 September 2012 (EDT)		:::"She was tight with Margaret Sanger"? She could have changed in the last years of her life, repented, and accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior. That would put her in the Kingdom of God, because that is all anyone has to do. But be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 9-10). [[User:Karajou\|Karajou]] 18:03, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
		+	::::I would certainly be open to evaluating any evidence that she changed in her final years or even days. [[User:MattyD\|MattyD]] 18:23, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

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	::So we are all tarred by the same brush as our friends now? What would that make me if I had Faith? My oldest friend is gay - we met when we were 12; that's 55 years ago. He "came out" to his family and to me when we were 18. He was in a faithful relationship from 1964 until his partner died two years ago. This is the "homosexual lifestyle" I tend to think of. We live over a thousand miles apart but correspond daily. To you, Matty, I am some sort of evil who, no matter what good I do in this life should be remembered for who I am "tight" with.		::So we are all tarred by the same brush as our friends now? What would that make me if I had Faith? My oldest friend is gay - we met when we were 12; that's 55 years ago. He "came out" to his family and to me when we were 18. He was in a faithful relationship from 1964 until his partner died two years ago. This is the "homosexual lifestyle" I tend to think of. We live over a thousand miles apart but correspond daily. To you, Matty, I am some sort of evil who, no matter what good I do in this life should be remembered for who I am "tight" with.
	::Seeing as liberal Christians are now a generic brand of XINO, how about adding another: ''Any member of any Church or Christian organisation who has ever indecently abused a young person or knows of such abuse and has not notified the appropriate authorities''. [[User:AlanE\|AlanE]] 17:27, 17 September 2012 (EDT)		::Seeing as liberal Christians are now a generic brand of XINO, how about adding another: ''Any member of any Church or Christian organisation who has ever indecently abused a young person or knows of such abuse and has not notified the appropriate authorities''. [[User:AlanE\|AlanE]] 17:27, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
		+	:::"She was tight with Margaret Sanger"? She could have changed in the last years of her life, repented, and accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior. That would put her in the Kingdom of God, because that is all anyone has to do. But be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 9-10). [[User:Karajou\|Karajou]] 18:03, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

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	Why do I always think of the sack of Béziers when this sort of thing comes up? Or the Inquisition? Or the pope who had all the bells in Rome rung in celebration when he heard of the St Bartholemew's Day Massacre? Or Richard I at Acre? Or the various pogroms by whatever name we want to call them. Instead, [[Helen Keller]] is called a Christian in Name Only. O come on!!!!! [[User:AlanE\|AlanE]] 01:32, 17 September 2012 (EDT)		Why do I always think of the sack of Béziers when this sort of thing comes up? Or the Inquisition? Or the pope who had all the bells in Rome rung in celebration when he heard of the St Bartholemew's Day Massacre? Or Richard I at Acre? Or the various pogroms by whatever name we want to call them. Instead, [[Helen Keller]] is called a Christian in Name Only. O come on!!!!! [[User:AlanE\|AlanE]] 01:32, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
	:She was tight with [[Margaret Sanger]]. What else do you need? [[User:MattyD\|MattyD]] 08:27, 17 September 2012 (EDT)		:She was tight with [[Margaret Sanger]]. What else do you need? [[User:MattyD\|MattyD]] 08:27, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
		+	::So we are all tarred by the same brush as our friends now? What would that make me if I had Faith? My oldest friend is gay - we met when we were 12; that's 55 years ago. He "came out" to his family and to me when we were 18. He was in a faithful relationship from 1964 until his partner died two years ago. This is the "homosexual lifestyle" I tend to think of. We live over a thousand miles apart but correspond daily. To you, Matty, I am some sort of evil who, no matter what good I do in this life should be remembered for who I am "tight" with.
		+	::Seeing as liberal Christians are now a generic brand of XINO, how about adding another: ''Any member of any Church or Christian organisation who has ever indecently abused a young person or knows of such abuse and has not notified the appropriate authorities''. [[User:AlanE\|AlanE]] 17:27, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

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	Why do I always think of the sack of Béziers when this sort of thing comes up? Or the Inquisition? Or the pope who had all the bells in Rome rung in celebration when he heard of the St Bartholemew's Day Massacre? Or Richard I at Acre? Or the various pogroms by whatever name we want to call them. Instead, [[Helen Keller]] is called a Christian in Name Only. O come on!!!!! [[User:AlanE\|AlanE]] 01:32, 17 September 2012 (EDT)		Why do I always think of the sack of Béziers when this sort of thing comes up? Or the Inquisition? Or the pope who had all the bells in Rome rung in celebration when he heard of the St Bartholemew's Day Massacre? Or Richard I at Acre? Or the various pogroms by whatever name we want to call them. Instead, [[Helen Keller]] is called a Christian in Name Only. O come on!!!!! [[User:AlanE\|AlanE]] 01:32, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
		+	:She was tight with [[Margaret Sanger]]. What else do you need? [[User:MattyD\|MattyD]] 08:27, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

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	"Christian in name only" and "nominal Christian" are cited - liberal Christian needs a reference, especially since it's labeled as "most common." --[[User:SharonW\|SharonW]] 12:58, 13 September 2011 (EDT)		"Christian in name only" and "nominal Christian" are cited - liberal Christian needs a reference, especially since it's labeled as "most common." --[[User:SharonW\|SharonW]] 12:58, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
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		+	Why do I always think of the sack of Béziers when this sort of thing comes up? Or the Inquisition? Or the pope who had all the bells in Rome rung in celebration when he heard of the St Bartholemew's Day Massacre? Or Richard I at Acre? Or the various pogroms by whatever name we want to call them. Instead, [[Helen Keller]] is called a Christian in Name Only. O come on!!!!! [[User:AlanE\|AlanE]] 01:32, 17 September 2012 (EDT)