Talk:Communist Party of the United States of America - Revision history

Ernie1241 at 19:21, July 24, 2021

2021-07-24T19:21:43Z

Ernie1241: corrections to article

2021-07-24T19:18:51Z

corrections to article

RobSmith: mv tag & add reflist

2011-07-09T22:15:04Z

mv tag & add reflist

MarcoT2: A question!

2010-07-17T19:18:37Z

A question!

Daniel1212: /* Modern times */

2010-06-24T14:32:27Z

Modern times

Daniel1212: /* Frank Marshall Davis */

2010-06-24T14:32:06Z

Frank Marshall Davis

RobSmith: /* Franklin Marshall Davis */ Ok, we'll use "Frank"

2009-06-26T20:08:53Z

Franklin Marshall Davis: Ok, we'll use "Frank"

RobSmith: /* Franklin Marshall Davis */ huh?

2009-06-26T02:00:23Z

Franklin Marshall Davis: huh?

RJJensen: /* Franklin Marshall Davis */ wrong wrong wrong

2009-06-26T01:53:36Z

Franklin Marshall Davis: wrong wrong wrong

RobSmith: /* Franklin Marshall Davis */ sign

2009-06-26T00:59:01Z

Franklin Marshall Davis: sign

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 ===ERRORS IN THIS ARTICLE===
-With respect to the "blacks" section which refers to the 1930's Communist Party strategy of suggesting that blacks create a "Negro Soviet Republic" in our southern states:  The Party recognized that their strategy never attracted any significant support within the black community so at their 17th National Convention in 1959, the Party discarded that strategy.  FBI informants inside the Party (including delegates who attended the 1959 Convention) verified that the Party changed its 1930's strategy because nobody supported it.
+With respect to the "blacks" section which refers to the 1930's Communist Party strategy of suggesting that blacks create a "Negro Soviet Republic" in our southern states:  The Party recognized that their strategy never attracted any significant support within the black community so at their 17th National Convention in 1959, the Party discarded that strategy.  FBI informants inside the Party (including delegates who attended the 1959 Party Convention) verified that the Party changed its 1930's strategy because nobody supported it.
-With respect to this article's reference to Manning Johnson -- he was discontinued as an FBI and INS informant because he lied under oath several times in court testimony.  Also, his personal opinions were limited to his knowledge about the Party in the 1930's and the FBI rejected what he claimed during the 1950's and 1960's.  For a detailed Report (based upon Manning Johnson's FBI files and FBI analysis of his testimony before various state legislative committees, see:
+For specific comments about our civil rights movement made by our internal security agencies see:
 https://archive.org/details/johnson-manning [[User:Ernie1241|Ernie1241]] ([[User talk:Ernie1241|talk]]) 15:18, July 24, 2021 (EDT)ernie1241[[User:Ernie1241|Ernie1241]] ([[User talk:Ernie1241|talk]]) 15:18, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
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 :: I ''think'' I accounted for page moves; I certainly intended to. I did not look at the talk page at all, though, so any collaboration which happened there, I would have missed. There were two particular sentences that appeared to come from TDC: ''The CPUSA even went so far as to accuse Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt of provoking aggression against Hitler.''<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communist_Party_USA&diff=next&oldid=5738314</ref> and ''The CPUSA went so far as to denounce the Polish government as fascist after the German and Soviet invasion.''<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communist_Party_USA&diff=next&oldid=5738371</ref>  Also, please understand I'm ''not'' claiming this is some massive problem; but having gone through 2 years worth of WP edits, there was no way I wasn't recording what I'd found. At the very least, it might prevent someone else from repeating the exercise.--[[User:Jtl|Jtl]] 16:33, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
 :::The discussion was very extensive and unprecedented; Bauder was a former [[National Lawyers Guild]] attorney, a CPUSA [[front organization]].  Bauder presided over my Arbitration hearing, which was brought by another former NLG member whom Bauder knew 30 years earier (see the Wikigulag Userbox on RobS user page).  My banning from WP had countless conflict of interests such as this, including the fact the complaining party also had a personal relationship with the subject of the article that the dispute was over (another CPUSA member).  Fred Bauder asked me to return to Wikipedia both publicly and privately [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-November/057170.html][http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=8109277791523&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE] and finish the Venona series, which I declined, largely because of unresolved issues in the [[Wikipedia#Daniel Brandt controversy]].  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:56, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
 ==Scope==
 The scope of this article has to be restricted to CPUSA -- that means dropping stuff about China and about spies that workred directly for the Soviets.  It also means reading the recent scholarship about the party. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:10, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

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		+	===ERRORS IN THIS ARTICLE===
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		+	With respect to the "blacks" section which refers to the 1930's Communist Party strategy of suggesting that blacks create a "Negro Soviet Republic" in our southern states: The Party recognized that their strategy never attracted any significant support within the black community so at their 17th National Convention in 1959, the Party discarded that strategy. FBI informants inside the Party (including delegates who attended the 1959 Convention) verified that the Party changed its 1930's strategy because nobody supported it.
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		+	With respect to this article's reference to Manning Johnson -- he was discontinued as an FBI and INS informant because he lied under oath several times in court testimony. Also, his personal opinions were limited to his knowledge about the Party in the 1930's and the FBI rejected what he claimed during the 1950's and 1960's. For a detailed Report (based upon Manning Johnson's FBI files and FBI analysis of his testimony before various state legislative committees, see:
		+	https://archive.org/details/johnson-manning [[User:Ernie1241\|Ernie1241]] ([[User talk:Ernie1241\|talk]]) 15:18, July 24, 2021 (EDT)ernie1241[[User:Ernie1241\|Ernie1241]] ([[User talk:Ernie1241\|talk]]) 15:18, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

	This is all stolen content from [http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/wikipedia/c/co/communist_party_usa.html]. It should be removed immediately. --[[User:BillOReillyFan\|BillOReillyFan]] 13:44, 18 March 2007 (EDT)		This is all stolen content from [http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/wikipedia/c/co/communist_party_usa.html]. It should be removed immediately. --[[User:BillOReillyFan\|BillOReillyFan]] 13:44, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

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	This is all stolen content from [http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/wikipedia/c/co/communist_party_usa.html]. It should be removed immediately. --[[User:BillOReillyFan\|BillOReillyFan]] 13:44, 18 March 2007 (EDT)		This is all stolen content from [http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/wikipedia/c/co/communist_party_usa.html]. It should be removed immediately. --[[User:BillOReillyFan\|BillOReillyFan]] 13:44, 18 March 2007 (EDT)
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	What exactly does it mean? Did Soviets randomly kill members of the CPUSA? Randomly killing your supporters doesn't seem to be a good way of expanding your power. Or does it mean that "unorthodox" members of the CPUSA were not executed in the US, but rather sent to Russia where they were executed? As it is, this sentence is not very clear. Reading this sentence literally, I sincerely doubt that "most of the American Communists who travelled to Russia were killed there"! --[[User:MarcoT2\|MarcoT2]] 15:18, 17 July 2010 (EDT)		What exactly does it mean? Did Soviets randomly kill members of the CPUSA? Randomly killing your supporters doesn't seem to be a good way of expanding your power. Or does it mean that "unorthodox" members of the CPUSA were not executed in the US, but rather sent to Russia where they were executed? As it is, this sentence is not very clear. Reading this sentence literally, I sincerely doubt that "most of the American Communists who travelled to Russia were killed there"! --[[User:MarcoT2\|MarcoT2]] 15:18, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
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		+	==Notes==
		+	{{reflist}}

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	"[T]he long night of rule by the most reactionary groups on the political spectrum has ended... we extended and deepened our mass connections, we contributed to the historic victory in 2008, we enhanced our presence and visibility, and we increased our membership. We didn't grow as much as we would have liked, but we have a firm foundation on which to increase our size, visibility and readership of our publications in the period ahead. Provided, of course, that we further build and unite the working class based coalition that came together to elect President Obama." Sam Webb, Chair of the Communist Party USA, June 3, 2010. Quoted here[http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/06/graph_of_the_day_for_june_24_2.html] [User:Daniel1212\|Daniel1212] 10:32, 24 June 2010 (EDT)		"[T]he long night of rule by the most reactionary groups on the political spectrum has ended... we extended and deepened our mass connections, we contributed to the historic victory in 2008, we enhanced our presence and visibility, and we increased our membership. We didn't grow as much as we would have liked, but we have a firm foundation on which to increase our size, visibility and readership of our publications in the period ahead. Provided, of course, that we further build and unite the working class based coalition that came together to elect President Obama." Sam Webb, Chair of the Communist Party USA, June 3, 2010. Quoted here[http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/06/graph_of_the_day_for_june_24_2.html] [User:Daniel1212\|Daniel1212] 10:32, 24 June 2010 (EDT)
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		+	==Executions==
		+	Hello! I don't really understand this sentence:
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		+	"The CPUSA did not execute anyone, but many--probably most--of the American Communists who traveled to Russia were killed there. "
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		+	What exactly does it mean? Did Soviets randomly kill members of the CPUSA? Randomly killing your supporters doesn't seem to be a good way of expanding your power. Or does it mean that "unorthodox" members of the CPUSA were not executed in the US, but rather sent to Russia where they were executed? As it is, this sentence is not very clear. Reading this sentence literally, I sincerely doubt that "most of the American Communists who travelled to Russia were killed there"! --[[User:MarcoT2\|MarcoT2]] 15:18, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

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−	"[T]he long night of rule by the most reactionary groups on the political spectrum has ended... we extended and deepened our mass connections, we contributed to the historic victory in 2008, we enhanced our presence and visibility, and we increased our membership. We didn't grow as much as we would have liked, but we have a firm foundation on which to increase our size, visibility and readership of our publications in the period ahead. Provided, of course, that we further build and unite the working class based coalition that came together to elect President Obama." Sam Webb, Chair of the Communist Party USA, June 3, 2010. Quoted here[http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/06/graph_of_the_day_for_june_24_2.html] [[User:Daniel1212\|Daniel1212]] 10:32, 24 June 2010 (EDT)	+	"[T]he long night of rule by the most reactionary groups on the political spectrum has ended... we extended and deepened our mass connections, we contributed to the historic victory in 2008, we enhanced our presence and visibility, and we increased our membership. We didn't grow as much as we would have liked, but we have a firm foundation on which to increase our size, visibility and readership of our publications in the period ahead. Provided, of course, that we further build and unite the working class based coalition that came together to elect President Obama." Sam Webb, Chair of the Communist Party USA, June 3, 2010. Quoted here[http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/06/graph_of_the_day_for_june_24_2.html] [User:Daniel1212\|Daniel1212] 10:32, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

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	::his name is wrong, his politics are wrong, his influence is wrong and his role in history is wrong. [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 21:53, 25 June 2009 (EDT)		::his name is wrong, his politics are wrong, his influence is wrong and his role in history is wrong. [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 21:53, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
	:::Name is wrong? Could you be more specific? As to politics, that goes without saying. His role in history, Obama guaranteed that. [[User:RobSmith\|Rob Smith]] 22:00, 25 June 2009 (EDT)		:::Name is wrong? Could you be more specific? As to politics, that goes without saying. His role in history, Obama guaranteed that. [[User:RobSmith\|Rob Smith]] 22:00, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
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		+	==Modern times==
		+	Under this section, this quote may be pertinent:
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		+	"[T]he long night of rule by the most reactionary groups on the political spectrum has ended... we extended and deepened our mass connections, we contributed to the historic victory in 2008, we enhanced our presence and visibility, and we increased our membership. We didn't grow as much as we would have liked, but we have a firm foundation on which to increase our size, visibility and readership of our publications in the period ahead. Provided, of course, that we further build and unite the working class based coalition that came together to elect President Obama." Sam Webb, Chair of the Communist Party USA, June 3, 2010. Quoted here[http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/06/graph_of_the_day_for_june_24_2.html] [[User:Daniel1212\|Daniel1212]] 10:32, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

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 The scope of this article has to be restricted to CPUSA -- that means dropping stuff about China and about spies that workred directly for the Soviets.  It also means reading the recent scholarship about the party. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:10, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
-==[[Franklin Marshall Davis]]==
+==[[Frank Marshall Davis]]==
 What's false about the cited material?  [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Communist_Party_of_the_United_States_of_America&diff=678344&oldid=678227] [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 20:59, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
 ::his name is wrong, his politics are wrong, his influence is wrong and his role in history is wrong. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:53, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
 :::Name is wrong?  Could you be more specific?  As to politics, that goes without saying.  His role in history, Obama guaranteed that.  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 22:00, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

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	What's false about the cited material? [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Communist_Party_of_the_United_States_of_America&diff=678344&oldid=678227] [[User:RobSmith\|Rob Smith]] 20:59, 25 June 2009 (EDT)		What's false about the cited material? [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Communist_Party_of_the_United_States_of_America&diff=678344&oldid=678227] [[User:RobSmith\|Rob Smith]] 20:59, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
	::his name is wrong, his politics are wrong, his influence is wrong and his role in history is wrong. [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 21:53, 25 June 2009 (EDT)		::his name is wrong, his politics are wrong, his influence is wrong and his role in history is wrong. [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 21:53, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
		+	:::Name is wrong? Could you be more specific? As to politics, that goes without saying. His role in history, Obama guaranteed that. [[User:RobSmith\|Rob Smith]] 22:00, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

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	==[[Franklin Marshall Davis]]==		==[[Franklin Marshall Davis]]==
	What's false about the cited material? [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Communist_Party_of_the_United_States_of_America&diff=678344&oldid=678227] [[User:RobSmith\|Rob Smith]] 20:59, 25 June 2009 (EDT)		What's false about the cited material? [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Communist_Party_of_the_United_States_of_America&diff=678344&oldid=678227] [[User:RobSmith\|Rob Smith]] 20:59, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
		+	::his name is wrong, his politics are wrong, his influence is wrong and his role in history is wrong. [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 21:53, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

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	==[[Franklin Marshall Davis]]==		==[[Franklin Marshall Davis]]==
−	What's false about the cited material? [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Communist_Party_of_the_United_States_of_America&diff=678344&oldid=678227]	+	What's false about the cited material? [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Communist_Party_of_the_United_States_of_America&diff=678344&oldid=678227] [[User:RobSmith\|Rob Smith]] 20:59, 25 June 2009 (EDT)