Talk:Essay:Man is not the descendant of monkey - Revision history

Ed Poor: raises a good question actually

2009-03-20T22:33:49Z

raises a good question actually

Philip J. Rayment: The question is whether or not the Bible is correct.

2009-03-20T22:27:28Z

The question is whether or not the Bible is correct.

Kallium at 19:42, March 20, 2009

2009-03-20T19:42:51Z

KBinbota at 17:12, March 20, 2009

2009-03-20T17:12:42Z

KBinbota at 17:12, March 20, 2009

2009-03-20T17:12:19Z

Ed Poor: one with everything?

2009-03-20T17:03:38Z

one with everything?

KBinbota: One

2009-03-20T16:51:43Z

One

Aschlafly: reply

2009-03-20T16:05:46Z

Ed Poor: clever, but 100% wrong

2009-03-20T16:01:25Z

clever, but 100% wrong

KBinbota: Man's insecurity and arrogance

2009-03-20T15:53:39Z

Man's insecurity and arrogance

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	::::: So the question is not whether it's "too convenient", but whether the Bible is correct or not.		::::: So the question is not whether it's "too convenient", but whether the Bible is correct or not.
	::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment\|Philip J. Rayment]] 18:27, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment\|Philip J. Rayment]] 18:27, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	::::::Maybe he meant ''convenient'' as in providing us human beings with an excuse to "lord it" over the rest of creation, without responsibility or concern. If so, then his rejoinder deserves a response.
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		+	::::::Contrary to the impression projected by anti-Christians, [[dominion]] requires care and love. We are to cherish God's lesser creatures, and the establishment of the [[SPCA]] is one way we have done this. Animals are better cared for (at least in the West) than they've ever been in world history. As a Christian, though, I draw the line at equating [[animal rights]] with [[human rights]]. People are more valuable than animals. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 18:33, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

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	::::Doesn't that seem just a little too convenient? [[User:Kallium\|Kallium]] 15:42, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		::::Doesn't that seem just a little too convenient? [[User:Kallium\|Kallium]] 15:42, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	::::: "Too convenient"? The Bible explicitly says that man was created in God's image, as Andy said. Man is the only one like this. And as Ed said, man was given dominion over the rest of creation. Man is the "federal head" of creation, so that when man sinned, ''the whole of creation'' (Romans 8:22, NIV) was 'cursed'. And for KBinbota, although it wasn't God's original intention, He specifically told us that we could eat meat (Genesis 9:3). And ants are likely not even considered 'alive' in a biblical sense (as distinct from a modern scientific sense; see [[classification system]]).
		+	::::: So the question is not whether it's "too convenient", but whether the Bible is correct or not.
		+	::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment\|Philip J. Rayment]] 18:27, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

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	:::God created all of the world, but only man in His image. That's a fundamental distinction worth respecting.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		:::God created all of the world, but only man in His image. That's a fundamental distinction worth respecting.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	::::Doesn't that seem just a little too convenient? [[User:Kallium\|Kallium]] 15:42, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

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 :::::What religion is that? Buddhism? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 13:03, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
-::::::No no, I'm an Anglican Christian.   [[User:KBinbota|KBinbota]] 13:12, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
+::::::No no, I'm a (vegetarian) Anglican Christian.   [[User:KBinbota|KBinbota]] 13:12, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
 :::God created all of the world, but only man in His image.  That's a fundamental distinction worth respecting.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

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	:::::What religion is that? Buddhism? --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 13:03, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		:::::What religion is that? Buddhism? --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 13:03, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	::::::No no, I'm an Anglican Christian. [[User:KBinbota\|KBinbota]] 13:12, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

	:::God created all of the world, but only man in His image. That's a fundamental distinction worth respecting.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		:::God created all of the world, but only man in His image. That's a fundamental distinction worth respecting.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

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	::::Actually, no - I do not eat any animal products or byproducts, nor wear leather. And like many like me, I do actually worry about stepping on ants and the like. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but I try my best and am upset when it happens. I don't wish to have dominion over other people, or animals. I want to live amongst all of God's Creation as One. [[User:KBinbota\|KBinbota]] 12:51, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		::::Actually, no - I do not eat any animal products or byproducts, nor wear leather. And like many like me, I do actually worry about stepping on ants and the like. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but I try my best and am upset when it happens. I don't wish to have dominion over other people, or animals. I want to live amongst all of God's Creation as One. [[User:KBinbota\|KBinbota]] 12:51, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	:::::What religion is that? Buddhism? --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 13:03, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

	:::God created all of the world, but only man in His image. That's a fundamental distinction worth respecting.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		:::God created all of the world, but only man in His image. That's a fundamental distinction worth respecting.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

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	:::Why must we always ignore Genesis 1:28 wherein God gave us dominion over all the rest of His creation? --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 12:01, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		:::Why must we always ignore Genesis 1:28 wherein God gave us dominion over all the rest of His creation? --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 12:01, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	::::Actually, no - I do not eat any animal products or byproducts, nor wear leather. And like many like me, I do actually worry about stepping on ants and the like. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but I try my best and am upset when it happens. I don't wish to have dominion over other people, or animals. I want to live amongst all of God's Creation as One. [[User:KBinbota\|KBinbota]] 12:51, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

	:::God created all of the world, but only man in His image. That's a fundamental distinction worth respecting.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		:::God created all of the world, but only man in His image. That's a fundamental distinction worth respecting.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

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	:::Why must we always ignore Genesis 1:28 wherein God gave us dominion over all the rest of His creation? --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 12:01, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		:::Why must we always ignore Genesis 1:28 wherein God gave us dominion over all the rest of His creation? --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 12:01, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	:::God created all of the world, but only man in His image. That's a fundamental distinction worth respecting.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] 12:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

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	::What I find interesting is that it presupposes a worldview that somehow monkeys are "less worthy". Aren't ALL God's creations wondrous? Why must we always want to be considered "better" than all of the rest of Creation, all of which is God's work? There's an implicit arrogance there that reeks of species insecurity, in my book. [[User:KBinbota\|KBinbota]] 11:53, 20 March 2009 (EDT)		::What I find interesting is that it presupposes a worldview that somehow monkeys are "less worthy". Aren't ALL God's creations wondrous? Why must we always want to be considered "better" than all of the rest of Creation, all of which is God's work? There's an implicit arrogance there that reeks of species insecurity, in my book. [[User:KBinbota\|KBinbota]] 11:53, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	:::You are lowering the value of mankind to the level of a monkey. If people are no more valuable than animals, then they can be killed when they don't do what you want. Ever eat a cheeseburger or swat a mosquito?
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		+	:::Why must we always ignore Genesis 1:28 wherein God gave us dominion over all the rest of His creation? --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 12:01, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

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	[[User:Philip J. Rayment\|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:52, 19 March 2009 (EDT)		[[User:Philip J. Rayment\|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:52, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	::What I find interesting is that it presupposes a worldview that somehow monkeys are "less worthy". Aren't ALL God's creations wondrous? Why must we always want to be considered "better" than all of the rest of Creation, all of which is God's work? There's an implicit arrogance there that reeks of species insecurity, in my book. [[User:KBinbota\|KBinbota]] 11:53, 20 March 2009 (EDT)