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	This is a fascinating discussion. "[[Sabbath]]" apparently had an [[Aramaic]] origin as well as a [[Hebrew]] one, and [[Mark]] liked to use Aramaic. The Greek σάββατον can mean week, or seventh day of a week, in addition to the religious meaning.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly\|talk]]) 02:18, December 30, 2022 (EST)		This is a fascinating discussion. "[[Sabbath]]" apparently had an [[Aramaic]] origin as well as a [[Hebrew]] one, and [[Mark]] liked to use Aramaic. The Greek σάββατον can mean week, or seventh day of a week, in addition to the religious meaning.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly\|talk]]) 02:18, December 30, 2022 (EST)
		+	:Wow, I didn't know that before, Andy; you seem to be quite an expert from the linguistic perspective of Scripture analysis. And while it's common to suggest among contemporary Christian denominations that the Sabbath was made obsolete, when reading between the lines of New Testament verses, it would appear that the early Jewish Christians nonetheless remembered and abided by it, simply less in concurrence with a strictly adhered set of man-made rules the Jewish leadership coalition put forth. Christ's message was ultimately about promoting faith in Him and bringing great blessings to believers, as He consistently took pity upon the downtrodden who recognized Him as the Messiah. —[[User:LT\|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT\|<sup>(Mark 8:36)</sup>]]''''' Friday, 10:22, December 30, 2022 (EST)

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	:::::::Man is the apple of God's eye. Only man disappointed God. So God went out of his way to find a way to rehabilitate man. God does not want a bunch of timid slaves to follow him. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 17:24, December 28, 2022 (EST)		:::::::Man is the apple of God's eye. Only man disappointed God. So God went out of his way to find a way to rehabilitate man. God does not want a bunch of timid slaves to follow him. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 17:24, December 28, 2022 (EST)
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		+	This is a fascinating discussion. "[[Sabbath]]" apparently had an [[Aramaic]] origin as well as a [[Hebrew]] one, and [[Mark]] liked to use Aramaic. The Greek σάββατον can mean week, or seventh day of a week, in addition to the religious meaning.--[[User:Aschlafly\|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly\|talk]]) 02:18, December 30, 2022 (EST)

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	::::::Alright then, it hopefully seems that you're no longer disputing my point about how the Sabbath itself remains relevant, and that Sunday observance is rooted in antisemitic paganism. —[[User:LT\|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT\|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:57, December 28, 2022 (EST)		::::::Alright then, it hopefully seems that you're no longer disputing my point about how the Sabbath itself remains relevant, and that Sunday observance is rooted in antisemitic paganism. —[[User:LT\|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT\|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:57, December 28, 2022 (EST)
	:::::::The Sabbath was created for man cause God so loved the world bla bla bla, not because God is a crazed dictator who demands we follow the letter of the law. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:59, December 28, 2022 (EST)		:::::::The Sabbath was created for man cause God so loved the world bla bla bla, not because God is a crazed dictator who demands we follow the letter of the law. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:59, December 28, 2022 (EST)
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		+	:::::::Man is the apple of God's eye. Only man disappointed God. So God went out of his way to find a way to rehabilitate man. God does not want a bunch of timid slaves to follow him. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 17:24, December 28, 2022 (EST)

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	:::::which basically is the same thing as you saying, "Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''". [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:54, December 28, 2022 (EST)		:::::which basically is the same thing as you saying, "Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''". [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:54, December 28, 2022 (EST)
	::::::Alright then, it hopefully seems that you're no longer disputing my point about how the Sabbath itself remains relevant, and that Sunday observance is rooted in antisemitic paganism. —[[User:LT\|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT\|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:57, December 28, 2022 (EST)		::::::Alright then, it hopefully seems that you're no longer disputing my point about how the Sabbath itself remains relevant, and that Sunday observance is rooted in antisemitic paganism. —[[User:LT\|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT\|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:57, December 28, 2022 (EST)
		+	:::::::The Sabbath was created for man cause God so loved the world bla bla bla, not because God is a crazed dictator who demands we follow the letter of the law. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:59, December 28, 2022 (EST)

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 :::::Well duh (incidentally, that "Title" was added later by men, and is not part of the original text), let's return to Romans 7 ''sola scriptura'':
-::::::''Let us not serve in the oldness of the letter but newness in spirit''
+::::::''Let us not serve in the oldness of the letter but in newness of spirit''
 :::::which basically is the same thing as you saying, "Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:54, December 28, 2022 (EST)
 ::::::Alright then, it hopefully seems that you're no longer disputing my point about how the Sabbath itself remains relevant, and that Sunday observance is rooted in antisemitic paganism. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:57, December 28, 2022 (EST)

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	::::::''Let us not serve in the oldness of the letter but newness in spirit''		::::::''Let us not serve in the oldness of the letter but newness in spirit''
	:::::which basically is the same thing as you saying, "Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''". [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:54, December 28, 2022 (EST)		:::::which basically is the same thing as you saying, "Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''". [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:54, December 28, 2022 (EST)
		+	::::::Alright then, it hopefully seems that you're no longer disputing my point about how the Sabbath itself remains relevant, and that Sunday observance is rooted in antisemitic paganism. —[[User:LT\|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT\|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:57, December 28, 2022 (EST)

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 ::::If you read carefully, it's apparent that Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''. Jesus is not downplaying the importance of the Sabbath; the title of those verses is "Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath." And He isn't the Lord of dead institutions, so it's absurd to argue that the Sabbath is obsolete for Christians. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:49, December 28, 2022 (EST)
-:::::Well duh (incidentally, that "Title" was added later by men, and is not part of the original text)., let's return to Romans 7 ''sola scrtiptura'':
+:::::Well duh (incidentally, that "Title" was added later by men, and is not part of the original text), let's return to Romans 7 ''sola scriptura'':
 ::::::Let us not serve in the oldness of the letter but newness in spirit''
 :::::which basically is the same thing as you saying, "Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:54, December 28, 2022 (EST)

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	{{cquote\|One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain. And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”\|\|\|Mark 2:23–28}}		{{cquote\|One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain. And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”\|\|\|Mark 2:23–28}}
	::::If you read carefully, it's apparent that Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''. Jesus is not downplaying the importance of the Sabbath; the title of those verses is "Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath." And He isn't the Lord of dead institutions, so it's absurd to argue that the Sabbath is obsolete for Christians. —[[User:LT\|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT\|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:49, December 28, 2022 (EST)		::::If you read carefully, it's apparent that Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''. Jesus is not downplaying the importance of the Sabbath; the title of those verses is "Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath." And He isn't the Lord of dead institutions, so it's absurd to argue that the Sabbath is obsolete for Christians. —[[User:LT\|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT\|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:49, December 28, 2022 (EST)
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		+	:::::Well duh (incidentally, that "Title" was added later by men, and is not part of the original text)., let's return to Romans 7 ''sola scrtiptura'':
		+	::::::Let us not serve in the oldness of the letter but newness in spirit''
		+	:::::which basically is the same thing as you saying, "Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''". [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:54, December 28, 2022 (EST)

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 ::::Oh please, you're ignoring the context of that full section. Let's [https://www.esv.org/Mark+2/ take a look]:
 {{cquote|One Sabbath he was going through the grainfields, and as they made their way, his disciples began to pluck heads of grain. And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?” And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”|||Mark 2:23–28}}
-::::If you read carefully, it's apparent that Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which the Pharisees treated it. Jesus is not downplaying the importance of the Sabbath; the title of those verses is "Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath." And He isn't the Lord of dead institutions, so it's absurd to argue that the Sabbath is obsolete for Christians. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:49, December 28, 2022 (EST)
+::::If you read carefully, it's apparent that Jesus is not criticizing the institution of the Sabbath itself, rather the ''manner'' in which ''the Pharisees treated it''. Jesus is not downplaying the importance of the Sabbath; the title of those verses is "Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath." And He isn't the Lord of dead institutions, so it's absurd to argue that the Sabbath is obsolete for Christians. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>(Exodus 23:2)</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:49, December 28, 2022 (EST)