Talk:Mike Huckabee - Revision history

TK: /* Huckabee Statement Regarding Maurice Clemmons [http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?fa=News.View&News_id=a9c58e43-9675-4da0-9567-674110678ef8&Label_id=&Year=&Month=] */

2009-12-01T23:36:26Z

‎Huckabee Statement Regarding Maurice Clemmons [http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?fa=News.View&News_id=a9c58e43-9675-4da0-9567-674110678ef8&Label_id=&Year=&Month=]

Benp: /* Maurice Clemmons */

2009-12-01T23:17:03Z

‎Maurice Clemmons

TK: /* Maurice Clemmons */ Here are the facts...

2009-12-01T22:39:27Z

‎Maurice Clemmons: Here are the facts...

Karajou: /* Maurice Clemmons */

2009-12-01T22:16:11Z

‎Maurice Clemmons

Benp: /* Maurice Clemmons */ new section

2009-12-01T22:03:23Z

‎Maurice Clemmons: new section

BHarlan: /* RJJensen and the Rolling Stones */ ::One last note: the idea that Huckabee is some conservative litmus test is bizarre. He has called for more government intervention, for instance, into private he

2009-03-13T03:02:57Z

‎RJJensen and the Rolling Stones: ::One last note: the idea that Huckabee is some conservative litmus test is bizarre. He has called for more government intervention, for instance, into private he

BHarlan: /* parody */ :I will no longer engage you or your like on this subject. Good day. ~~~~

2009-03-13T02:58:22Z

‎parody: :I will no longer engage you or your like on this subject. Good day. ~~~~

RJJensen: /* parody */ new section

2009-03-13T01:30:54Z

‎parody: new section

BHarlan: /* Hollywood Values */ And nobody's expunging my record, even though I am not traveling around promoting drug use and promiscuity. What I did was illegal, and I paid the price and had the note put on

2009-03-12T23:52:09Z

‎Hollywood Values: And nobody's expunging my record, even though I am not traveling around promoting drug use and promiscuity. What I did was illegal, and I paid the price and had the note put on

RJJensen: /* Hollywood Values */ twice the criminal?

2009-03-12T21:47:49Z

‎Hollywood Values: twice the criminal?

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	::Well, Clemmons now has to answer to a much higher authority, and I think he's going to find that the reckoning is high. I'm not sure I agree with the idea that being sixteen is sufficient to mitigate the seriousness of the offense, but looking at the big picture, I see your point concerning Governor Huckabee. Given the demands on a Governor's time, it's entirely possible that he didn't even have Clemmons' full record in front of him, and was simply taking it on faith that the Parole Board was being prudent in their recommendation. I do think that the full facts of this need to come out, because the system failed in a big way--this should never have happened. --[[User:Benp\|Benp]] 18:17, 1 December 2009 (EST)		::Well, Clemmons now has to answer to a much higher authority, and I think he's going to find that the reckoning is high. I'm not sure I agree with the idea that being sixteen is sufficient to mitigate the seriousness of the offense, but looking at the big picture, I see your point concerning Governor Huckabee. Given the demands on a Governor's time, it's entirely possible that he didn't even have Clemmons' full record in front of him, and was simply taking it on faith that the Parole Board was being prudent in their recommendation. I do think that the full facts of this need to come out, because the system failed in a big way--this should never have happened. --[[User:Benp\|Benp]] 18:17, 1 December 2009 (EST)
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		+	:::Agreed on the facts coming out. I don't know if you are young, middleaged or old, Ben, but many of us would have a problem with a sixteen year old getting 100 years or whatever they gave him originally. To not take a chance on Redemption is contrary to our beliefs. --[[User:TK\|'''ṬK''']]<sub><small>/Admin</small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK\|/Talk]]</sup> 18:36, 1 December 2009 (EST)

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	--[[User:TK\|'''ṬK''']]<sub><small>/Admin</small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK\|/Talk]]</sup> 17:39, 1 December 2009 (EST)		--[[User:TK\|'''ṬK''']]<sub><small>/Admin</small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK\|/Talk]]</sup> 17:39, 1 December 2009 (EST)
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		+	::Well, Clemmons now has to answer to a much higher authority, and I think he's going to find that the reckoning is high. I'm not sure I agree with the idea that being sixteen is sufficient to mitigate the seriousness of the offense, but looking at the big picture, I see your point concerning Governor Huckabee. Given the demands on a Governor's time, it's entirely possible that he didn't even have Clemmons' full record in front of him, and was simply taking it on faith that the Parole Board was being prudent in their recommendation. I do think that the full facts of this need to come out, because the system failed in a big way--this should never have happened. --[[User:Benp\|Benp]] 18:17, 1 December 2009 (EST)

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	:If someone failed at being conservative in any way, yes we should condemn it. When this came before Huckabee, there was a severe lack of common sense by him and the parole board in Arkansas; in the case of the Washington State judge who released Clemmons on bail a few days ago, there was also a lack of common sense; why on earth would anyone in their right mind release someone on bail if he was accused of assualting a cop and raping a child? Then there's the ACLU, who hounded state governors over the years to get better deals and clemencies for the worst of the worst. But ultimate responsibility falls on Clemmons, who would have had no problem with the law at all if he chose to live an honest life. He chose not to, and as a result of his choice four cops are dead. [[User:Karajou\|Karajou]] 17:16, 1 December 2009 (EST)		:If someone failed at being conservative in any way, yes we should condemn it. When this came before Huckabee, there was a severe lack of common sense by him and the parole board in Arkansas; in the case of the Washington State judge who released Clemmons on bail a few days ago, there was also a lack of common sense; why on earth would anyone in their right mind release someone on bail if he was accused of assualting a cop and raping a child? Then there's the ACLU, who hounded state governors over the years to get better deals and clemencies for the worst of the worst. But ultimate responsibility falls on Clemmons, who would have had no problem with the law at all if he chose to live an honest life. He chose not to, and as a result of his choice four cops are dead. [[User:Karajou\|Karajou]] 17:16, 1 December 2009 (EST)
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		+	===Huckabee Statement Regarding Maurice Clemmons [http://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?fa=News.View&News_id=a9c58e43-9675-4da0-9567-674110678ef8&Label_id=&Year=&Month=]===
		+	{{cquote\|"The senseless and savage execution of police officers in Washington State has saddened the nation, and early reports indicate that a person of interest is a repeat offender who once lived in Arkansas and was wanted on outstanding warrants here and Washington State. The murder of any individual is profound tragedy, but the murder of a police officer is the worst of all murders in that it is an assault on every citizen and the laws we live within.
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		+	Should he be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State. '''He was recommended for and received a commutation of his original sentence from 1990, making him parole eligible and was paroled by the parole board once they determined he met the conditions at that time.''' He was arrested later for parole violation and taken back to prison to serve his full term, '''but prosecutors dropped the charges that would have held him.''' It appears that he has continued to have a string of criminal and psychotic behavior but was not kept incarcerated by either state. This is a horrible and tragic event and if found and convicted the offender should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. Our thoughts and prayers are and should be with the families of those honorable, brave, and heroic police officers." }}
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		+	I don't see any lack of responsibility on Huckabee's part. The Parole Board recommended that the Governor commute the sentence of a kid who was sixteen years old at the time, an act of true Christian Charity. Later failures were due to the prosecutors and the State of Washington. Given the media's smearing of Huckabee, making the news stories appear as if Huck's actions alone made the Washington shootings possible, it is no wonder you have doubts, Ben, but the facts show otherwise.
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		+	--[[User:TK\|'''ṬK''']]<sub><small>/Admin</small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK\|/Talk]]</sup> 17:39, 1 December 2009 (EST)

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	--[[User:Benp\|Benp]] 17:03, 1 December 2009 (EST)		--[[User:Benp\|Benp]] 17:03, 1 December 2009 (EST)
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		+	:If someone failed at being conservative in any way, yes we should condemn it. When this came before Huckabee, there was a severe lack of common sense by him and the parole board in Arkansas; in the case of the Washington State judge who released Clemmons on bail a few days ago, there was also a lack of common sense; why on earth would anyone in their right mind release someone on bail if he was accused of assualting a cop and raping a child? Then there's the ACLU, who hounded state governors over the years to get better deals and clemencies for the worst of the worst. But ultimate responsibility falls on Clemmons, who would have had no problem with the law at all if he chose to live an honest life. He chose not to, and as a result of his choice four cops are dead. [[User:Karajou\|Karajou]] 17:16, 1 December 2009 (EST)

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	::One last note: the idea that Huckabee is some conservative litmus test is bizarre. He has called for more government intervention, for instance, into private health choices of individuals, including insurance choice. I support most of what Huckabee stands for, including his faith-focused worldview. This encyclopedia, however, '''does not''' censor. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 23:02, 12 March 2009 (EDT)		::One last note: the idea that Huckabee is some conservative litmus test is bizarre. He has called for more government intervention, for instance, into private health choices of individuals, including insurance choice. I support most of what Huckabee stands for, including his faith-focused worldview. This encyclopedia, however, '''does not''' censor. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 23:02, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	== Maurice Clemmons ==
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		+	I'm hesitant to bring this up, and I'm certainly not going to put it in the article without consensus from senior editors, but I think we need to revisit the issue of whether Huckabee is really conservative when it comes to dealing with criminals. I like a lot of his positions, but when a man is serving a hundred-plus year jail sentence, there's usually a reason for that. Commuting the sentence of someone who has time and time again committed violent crimes is the sort of thing I would expect from the worst kind of bleeding-heart liberal.
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		+	Some people are simply a danger to society and need to be removed from it. It's not a nice truth, it's not a pleasant truth, but it's a truth nonetheless. When it's forgotten, the consequences are too often tragic, as they were in this case.
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		+	In many ways, Huckabee is a solid conservative, but in this area, I feel he's dropped the ball, and more than once.
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		+	Thoughts?
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		+	--[[User:Benp\|Benp]] 17:03, 1 December 2009 (EST)

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	:It is not parody. Do not call me names, sir. Yes, it is a minor offense, but special treatment for rock stars is exactly that, no matter how you liberals spin it.		:It is not parody. Do not call me names, sir. Yes, it is a minor offense, but special treatment for rock stars is exactly that, no matter how you liberals spin it.
	:I will no longer engage you or your like on this subject. Good day. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 22:58, 12 March 2009 (EDT)		:I will no longer engage you or your like on this subject. Good day. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 22:58, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	::One last note: the idea that Huckabee is some conservative litmus test is bizarre. He has called for more government intervention, for instance, into private health choices of individuals, including insurance choice. I support most of what Huckabee stands for, including his faith-focused worldview. This encyclopedia, however, '''does not''' censor. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 23:02, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

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 Speeding is wrong, but I'm not complaining about Richards's speeding. I'm complaining about the selective treatment of Hollywood celebrities as special citizens. I have never, and will never, pardon a rock musician just because he is famous. [[User:BHarlan|BHarlan]] 19:52, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
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 I dropped the parody of making out Huckabee to be a purveyor of Hollywood values. Conservatives never saw him that way and of course a speeding ticket is not a criminal offense. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:30, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

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	And nobody's expunging my record, even though I am not traveling around promoting drug use and promiscuity. What I did was illegal, and I paid the price and had the note put on my DMV record.		And nobody's expunging my record, even though I am not traveling around promoting drug use and promiscuity. What I did was illegal, and I paid the price and had the note put on my DMV record.
	Speeding is wrong, but I'm not complaining about Richards's speeding. I'm complaining about the selective treatment of Hollywood celebrities as special citizens. I have never, and will never, pardon a rock musician just because he is famous. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 19:52, 12 March 2009 (EDT)		Speeding is wrong, but I'm not complaining about Richards's speeding. I'm complaining about the selective treatment of Hollywood celebrities as special citizens. I have never, and will never, pardon a rock musician just because he is famous. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 19:52, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
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		+	I dropped the parody of making out Huckabee to be a purveyor of Hollywood values. Conservatives never saw him that way and of course a speeding ticket is not a criminal offense. [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 21:30, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

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	::::I have had two. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 17:37, 12 March 2009 (EDT)		::::I have had two. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 17:37, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
	:::::then you're twice the criminal of the guitar player. :) [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 17:47, 12 March 2009 (EDT)		:::::then you're twice the criminal of the guitar player. :) [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 17:47, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
		+	And nobody's expunging my record, even though I am not traveling around promoting drug use and promiscuity. What I did was illegal, and I paid the price and had the note put on my DMV record.
		+	Speeding is wrong, but I'm not complaining about Richards's speeding. I'm complaining about the selective treatment of Hollywood celebrities as special citizens. I have never, and will never, pardon a rock musician just because he is famous. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 19:52, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

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	::if you ever had a speeding ticket you with think less harshly of this "crime" [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 17:07, 12 March 2009 (EDT)		::if you ever had a speeding ticket you with think less harshly of this "crime" [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 17:07, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
	::::I have had two. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 17:37, 12 March 2009 (EDT)		::::I have had two. [[User:BHarlan\|BHarlan]] 17:37, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
		+	:::::then you're twice the criminal of the guitar player. :) [[User:RJJensen\|RJJensen]] 17:47, 12 March 2009 (EDT)