https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AProblem_of_Evil 2026-11-01T09:06:14Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.35.14 https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Problem_of_Evil&diff=360463&oldid=prev 2007-12-30T06:20:23Z

<p>Try this...</p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 06:20, December 30, 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l25" >Line 25:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 25:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Then doesn't this bring us round to intuitionism? The idea that humans inherently know what is good and evil, and although we can be influenced by decisions, it is still down to the human to make that choice, and as a result even two people who have agreed on almost everything can disagree on some things as well. --[[User:Metatron|Metatron]] 19:31, 29 December 2007 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Then doesn't this bring us round to intuitionism? The idea that humans inherently know what is good and evil, and although we can be influenced by decisions, it is still down to the human to make that choice, and as a result even two people who have agreed on almost everything can disagree on some things as well. --[[User:Metatron|Metatron]] 19:31, 29 December 2007 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::(Replying to Qwestor)  That's a good question, but I don't believe that the Bible anywhere says that in heaven we will be ''incapable'' of sinning.  Perhaps it's more a matter that we will simply ''not'' sin, and being in God's direct presence might be the thing that &quot;prevents&quot; us from sinning.  It's a bit like a parent leaving a child alone, and the child gets up to mischief in the parent's absence, but while the parent is there, he behaves.  You might respond that God could have made it that way from the beginning, and yes, I guess He could have, but that's where I'd point to my second reason, of not appreciating good (and not appreciating free will) without experiencing bad (and bad choices).  By the time we get to heaven, we've had that experience, and &quot;proved&quot; that we ''can'' make our own choices, and have made the right one (to accept God's Lordship), and even though in heaven we will still have free will, we don't need to keep proving that by doing the wrong thing.  That might not be quite on the right track, but hopefully it demonstrates a possibility.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 01:20, 30 December 2007 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Philip J. Rayment https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Problem_of_Evil&diff=360247&oldid=prev 2007-12-30T00:31:56Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 00:31, December 30, 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l23" >Line 23:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 23:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::But consider that the Scriptures give a vignette into a future world (new heaven/earth) in which the redeemed will be incapable of sinning and yet will not be robots. So God can have it either way, opt for no creation (including the angels) and no disobedience, or a time in which His creatures would fall, be redeemed, then live in sinless perfection.  [[User:Qwestor|Qwestor]] 17:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::But consider that the Scriptures give a vignette into a future world (new heaven/earth) in which the redeemed will be incapable of sinning and yet will not be robots. So God can have it either way, opt for no creation (including the angels) and no disobedience, or a time in which His creatures would fall, be redeemed, then live in sinless perfection.  [[User:Qwestor|Qwestor]] 17:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::Then doesn't this bring us round to intuitionism? The idea that humans inherently know what is good and evil, and although we can be influenced by decisions, it is still down to the human to make that choice, and as a result even two people who have agreed on almost everything can disagree on some things as well. --[[User:Metatron|Metatron]] 19:31, 29 December 2007 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Metatron https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Problem_of_Evil&diff=360063&oldid=prev 2007-12-29T22:29:03Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:29, December 29, 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l21" >Line 21:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 21:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: As for Qwestor's point, my understanding is that if He didn't allow his creation (specifically ''man'') to disobey Him, he would have been creating robots, not beings capable of showing love by being able to ''choose'' whether to love Him or not.  Also, if one doesn't experience evil, one won't appreciate good.  We wouldn't appreciate how good God is without understanding how bad things are without God.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: As for Qwestor's point, my understanding is that if He didn't allow his creation (specifically ''man'') to disobey Him, he would have been creating robots, not beings capable of showing love by being able to ''choose'' whether to love Him or not.  Also, if one doesn't experience evil, one won't appreciate good.  We wouldn't appreciate how good God is without understanding how bad things are without God.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 17:05, 29 December 2007 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 17:05, 29 December 2007 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::But consider that the Scriptures give a vignette into a future world (new heaven/earth) in which the redeemed will be incapable of sinning and yet will not be robots. So God can have it either way, opt for no creation (including the angels) and no disobedience, or a time in which His creatures would fall, be redeemed, then live in sinless perfection.  [[User:Qwestor|Qwestor]] 17:28, 29 December 2007 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Qwestor https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Problem_of_Evil&diff=360051&oldid=prev 2007-12-29T22:05:40Z

<p>I agree with Learn together</p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:05, December 29, 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l16" >Line 16:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 16:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Yes this is an oft cited consideration. and while I think there is something to it, the Judeao-Christian God is still omniscient/omnipotent which raises the question of why He opted for a creation in which His creatures would be permitted to disobey Him when it was evidently His option that they be unable to. [[User:Qwestor|Qwestor]] 10:30, 29 December 2007 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Yes this is an oft cited consideration. and while I think there is something to it, the Judeao-Christian God is still omniscient/omnipotent which raises the question of why He opted for a creation in which His creatures would be permitted to disobey Him when it was evidently His option that they be unable to. [[User:Qwestor|Qwestor]] 10:30, 29 December 2007 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::: I think Learn together is essentially correct, that evil is the absence of good/God (not just &quot;good&quot;), although this is perhaps by definition rather than anything else, meaning that evil is ''defined as'' the absence of God, rather than &quot;nasty, horrible things&quot;.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::: The meal analogy as presented is not a good one, I don't think.  We need to eat to live, so a meal is therefore &quot;good&quot;, and the absence of the meal is &quot;bad&quot;, because without it we will starve.  So although there are still plenty of problems with the analogy (such as how fasting and gluttony fit into the analogy), it still does illustrate the basic principle.  We don't need &quot;bad&quot; things (such as poisons) to kill us.  A lack of &quot;good&quot; things (meals) is sufficient.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::: As for Qwestor's point, my understanding is that if He didn't allow his creation (specifically ''man'') to disobey Him, he would have been creating robots, not beings capable of showing love by being able to ''choose'' whether to love Him or not.  Also, if one doesn't experience evil, one won't appreciate good.  We wouldn't appreciate how good God is without understanding how bad things are without God.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 17:05, 29 December 2007 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Philip J. Rayment https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Problem_of_Evil&diff=359835&oldid=prev 2007-12-29T15:31:56Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:31, December 29, 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l14" >Line 14:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 14:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Unfortunately, I can't agree with you there Learn together. Just because someone isn't doing good, it doesn't mean they're doing evil. Eating a meal can't really be considered good, but by the logic you give, it apparently is then evil. Not having a go at you, but can you see the mistake? [[User:Metatron|Metatron]] 14.53, 29 December 2007</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Unfortunately, I can't agree with you there Learn together. Just because someone isn't doing good, it doesn't mean they're doing evil. Eating a meal can't really be considered good, but by the logic you give, it apparently is then evil. Not having a go at you, but can you see the mistake? [[User:Metatron|Metatron]] 14.53, 29 December 2007</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Yes this is an oft cited consideration. and while I think there is something to it, the Judeao-Christian God is still omniscient/omnipotent which raises the question of why He opted for a creation in which His creatures would be permitted to disobey Him when it was evidently His option that they be unable to. [[User:Qwestor|Qwestor]] 10:30, 29 December 2007 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Qwestor https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Problem_of_Evil&diff=359809&oldid=prev 2007-12-29T14:53:28Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 14:53, December 29, 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l12" >Line 12:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:That may be a hard one to explain.  Another way to look at it is that evil does not exist any more than cold exists.  Cold is the absence of heat.  Evil is the absense of (good/God). [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:57, 28 December 2007 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:That may be a hard one to explain.  Another way to look at it is that evil does not exist any more than cold exists.  Cold is the absence of heat.  Evil is the absense of (good/God). [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:57, 28 December 2007 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Unfortunately, I can't agree with you there Learn together. Just because someone isn't doing good, it doesn't mean they're doing evil. Eating a meal can't really be considered good, but by the logic you give, it apparently is then evil. Not having a go at you, but can you see the mistake? [[User:Metatron|Metatron]] 14.53, 29 December 2007</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Metatron https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Problem_of_Evil&diff=359646&oldid=prev 2007-12-29T01:57:57Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 01:57, December 29, 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l10" >Line 10:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 10:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>One thing I would like to suggest is that there is no problem of evil. So evil exists in the creation of a good, omnipotent, omniscient God: the actual problem is that of evil, non-omniscient beings understanding why creation would or would-not have any particular feature. [[User:Qwestor|Qwestor]] 16:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>One thing I would like to suggest is that there is no problem of evil. So evil exists in the creation of a good, omnipotent, omniscient God: the actual problem is that of evil, non-omniscient beings understanding why creation would or would-not have any particular feature. [[User:Qwestor|Qwestor]] 16:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:That may be a hard one to explain.  Another way to look at it is that evil does not exist any more than cold exists.  Cold is the absence of heat.  Evil is the absense of (good/God). [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:57, 28 December 2007 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Learn together https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Problem_of_Evil&diff=359535&oldid=prev 2007-12-28T21:46:42Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:46, December 28, 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l7" >Line 7:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 7:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I myself do not know so much about this, but can I make a small request that someone apply some of Iranaeus' theodicies to this article, as they are clever and reasonable arguments for the problem of evil, of course from a Christian perspective. [[User:Metatron|Metatron]] 20:19, 28 December 2007</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I myself do not know so much about this, but can I make a small request that someone apply some of Iranaeus' theodicies to this article, as they are clever and reasonable arguments for the problem of evil, of course from a Christian perspective. [[User:Metatron|Metatron]] 20:19, 28 December 2007</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">One thing I would like to suggest is that there is no problem of evil. So evil exists in the creation of a good, omnipotent, omniscient God: the actual problem is that of evil, non-omniscient beings understanding why creation would or would-not have any particular feature. [[User:Qwestor|Qwestor]] 16:45, 28 December 2007 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Qwestor https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Problem_of_Evil&diff=359497&oldid=prev 2007-12-28T20:19:34Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:19, December 28, 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l4" >Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Sounds as if you are trolling to stir the pot here, and arrive at your pre-conceived notions.  I hope I am wrong in thinking that. [[User:MattM|MattM]] 22:34, 1 October 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Sounds as if you are trolling to stir the pot here, and arrive at your pre-conceived notions.  I hope I am wrong in thinking that. [[User:MattM|MattM]] 22:34, 1 October 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I myself do not know so much about this, but can I make a small request that someone apply some of Iranaeus' theodicies to this article, as they are clever and reasonable arguments for the problem of evil, of course from a Christian perspective. [[User:Metatron|Metatron]] 20:19, 28 December 2007</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Metatron https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Problem_of_Evil&diff=359496&oldid=prev 2007-12-28T20:19:18Z

<p></p> <table class="diff diff-contentalign-left diff-editfont-monospace" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:19, December 28, 2007</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l4" >Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Sounds as if you are trolling to stir the pot here, and arrive at your pre-conceived notions.  I hope I am wrong in thinking that. [[User:MattM|MattM]] 22:34, 1 October 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Sounds as if you are trolling to stir the pot here, and arrive at your pre-conceived notions.  I hope I am wrong in thinking that. [[User:MattM|MattM]] 22:34, 1 October 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr> <tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I myself do not know so much about this, but can I make a small request that someone apply some of Iranaeus' theodicies to this article, as they are clever and reasonable arguments for the problem of evil, of course from a Christian perspective.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr> </table>

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