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	I added George Soule's book as it is distinctly promotional of bureaucratic despotism. It's title accurately captures the intent of the book and the book's age helps cement the fact that we aren't dealing with anything new here. [[User:Progressingamerica\|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica\|talk]]) 00:58, 29 April 2021 (EDT)		I added George Soule's book as it is distinctly promotional of bureaucratic despotism. It's title accurately captures the intent of the book and the book's age helps cement the fact that we aren't dealing with anything new here. [[User:Progressingamerica\|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica\|talk]]) 00:58, 29 April 2021 (EDT)
		+	:Actually it looks like a very interesting book. [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.168288/page/n11/mode/2up] And at the time it came out, 1930, it looks like it would appeal to followers of Stalin, FDR, and Hitler for implementation in their respective cultures, with varying results. This explains much. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:55, 29 April 2021 (EDT)

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	As you see with [[Spygate]] transcripts, alleged "classified information" has a limited shelf life anyways. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:31, 17 June 2020 (EDT)		As you see with [[Spygate]] transcripts, alleged "classified information" has a limited shelf life anyways. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:31, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
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		+	I added George Soule's book as it is distinctly promotional of bureaucratic despotism. It's title accurately captures the intent of the book and the book's age helps cement the fact that we aren't dealing with anything new here. [[User:Progressingamerica\|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica\|talk]]) 00:58, 29 April 2021 (EDT)

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 ::Your conspiracy theory sounds like a modern day conspiracy theory generated by the Deep State to take the heat off the Deep State. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:37, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
-:::Maybe so, but on the other hand, these are the same guys who successfully managed to outright frame the Nazis for the [[Katyn massacre]] (with nothing pinning the Soviets to the crime among the general populace until 1991 with the Mitokyn Archives being leaked), so I wouldn't underestimate their capabilities for disinformation. Besides, they also were responsible for turning Che Guevara, a guy who, BTW, literally attempted to turn the Cold War into a hot one during the Cuban Missile Crisis against even Khrushchev's advice, into a leftist saint overnight (and that definitely would have been a far bigger black mark against them ESPECIALLY after the Cuban Missile Crisis and how close they got to nuclear war), and also were responsible for forming the anti-Vietnam Protests. And Ion Mihai Pacepa was directly involved in the disinformation campaigns for all three instances, even dedicated an entire chapter of his book ''Disinformation'', so if anyone knows about JFK being assassinated by the Soviets, or at the very least their proxies, it's him. And besides, that Wolfe guy, the East German spymaster, specifically indicated that Fidel Castro had a hand in JFK's assassination as well. And considering that LBJ basically had a tantrum when the Joint Chiefs of Staff suggested mining the harbor and doing calculated aerial strikes against the North Vietnamese that essentially amounted to accusing them of trying to start World War II, wouldn't the prospect of nuclear war if the truth got out been reason enough for the government at the time to AVOID pinning the blame on the Soviets, especially after the close call at Cuba two years before?
+:::Maybe so, but on the other hand, these are the same guys who successfully managed to outright frame the Nazis for the [[Katyn massacre]] (with nothing pinning the Soviets to the crime among the general populace until 1991 with the Mitokyn Archives being leaked), so I wouldn't underestimate their capabilities for disinformation. Besides, they also were responsible for turning Che Guevara, a guy who, BTW, literally attempted to turn the Cold War into a hot one during the Cuban Missile Crisis against even Khrushchev's advice, into a leftist saint overnight (and that definitely would have been a far bigger black mark against them ESPECIALLY after the Cuban Missile Crisis and how close they got to nuclear war), and also were responsible for forming the anti-Vietnam Protests. And Ion Mihai Pacepa was directly involved in the disinformation campaigns for all three instances, even dedicated an entire chapter of his book ''Disinformation'', so if anyone knows about JFK being assassinated by the Soviets, or at the very least their proxies, it's him. And besides, that Wolfe guy, the East German spymaster, specifically indicated that Fidel Castro had a hand in JFK's assassination as well. And considering that LBJ basically had a tantrum when the Joint Chiefs of Staff suggested mining the harbor and doing calculated aerial strikes against the North Vietnamese that essentially amounted to accusing them of trying to start World War III, wouldn't the prospect of nuclear war if the truth got out been reason enough for the government at the time to AVOID pinning the blame on the Soviets, especially after the close call at Cuba two years before?
 :::And technically, it's not even mine, it's Ion Mihai Pacepa's claim (and given that he was a former DIE agent, and specifically indicated that he had been previously involved in said disinformation campaigns by the KGB, it's pretty obvious he's not a Deep Stater. Heck, at the time those things happened, he was still firmly loyal to the Communists, didn't defect until the 1980s). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 22:39, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

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 ::::::::::And you got this from about 6 weeks ago: RFK jr, [https://dcdirtylaundry.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-the-cia-killed-my-father-uncle-do-not-trust-the-medical-or-the-national-security-establishment/ "CIA Killed My Father & Uncle"].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:26, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
 :::::::::::Heck, aside from Pacepa (and you still haven't actually refuted his claims, BTW), there's also Stasi spymaster Markus Wolf, who actually pointed to Castro arranging for JFK's death (and last I checked, Castro wasn't a CIA asset either, certainly not by that time): https://townhall.com/columnists/humbertofontova/2016/07/25/trump-spreads-kgbhatched-disinformation-meme-about-jfks-assassination-n2197606 And quite frankly, RFK jr. wasn't even involved in espionage at all, so why the heck would he claim anything about who was responsible. At least Pacepa was a high ranking Soviet intelligence officer, as was Markus Wolf. And just as an FYI, the book The First Directorate by Oleg Kalugin, who was the highest ranking KGB official to record his story (I'm not sure if he outranks Pacepa or not), [https://patriotpost.us/opinion/52560-the-kremlin-lbj-and-the-jfk-assassination-2017-11-22 voiced similar statements] to that of Pacepa regarding KGB involvement in the JFK assassination, at the very least the disinformation campaign if not the actual assassination itself, which means it's much more likely to be the Soviets who did it and NOT the Deep State (that's not to say the Deep State wasn't guilty of a whole slew of things). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 23:29, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
-:::::::::::Besides, why would the Deep State kill JFK especially after his September 25, 1961 speech to the UN, in particular "For in the development of this organization [the United Nations] rests the only true alternative to war."? If I were the Deep State, that speech alone would have been more reason to ensure that JFK survived for a second term, NOT off him. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 23:45, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
+:::::::::::Besides, why would the Deep State kill JFK especially after his September 25, 1961 speech to the UN, in particular "For in the development of this organization [the United Nations] rests the only true alternative to war."? If I were the Deep State, that speech alone would have been more reason to ensure that JFK survived for a second term, NOT off him, knowing how much the Deep State LOVES the United Nations and wants it to dominate over America and everyone else. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 23:45, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
 == Question about Mitch McConnell ==

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 ::::::::::And you got this from about 6 weeks ago: RFK jr, [https://dcdirtylaundry.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-the-cia-killed-my-father-uncle-do-not-trust-the-medical-or-the-national-security-establishment/ "CIA Killed My Father & Uncle"].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:26, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
 :::::::::::Heck, aside from Pacepa (and you still haven't actually refuted his claims, BTW), there's also Stasi spymaster Markus Wolf, who actually pointed to Castro arranging for JFK's death (and last I checked, Castro wasn't a CIA asset either, certainly not by that time): https://townhall.com/columnists/humbertofontova/2016/07/25/trump-spreads-kgbhatched-disinformation-meme-about-jfks-assassination-n2197606 And quite frankly, RFK jr. wasn't even involved in espionage at all, so why the heck would he claim anything about who was responsible. At least Pacepa was a high ranking Soviet intelligence officer, as was Markus Wolf. And just as an FYI, the book The First Directorate by Oleg Kalugin, who was the highest ranking KGB official to record his story (I'm not sure if he outranks Pacepa or not), [https://patriotpost.us/opinion/52560-the-kremlin-lbj-and-the-jfk-assassination-2017-11-22 voiced similar statements] to that of Pacepa regarding KGB involvement in the JFK assassination, at the very least the disinformation campaign if not the actual assassination itself, which means it's much more likely to be the Soviets who did it and NOT the Deep State (that's not to say the Deep State wasn't guilty of a whole slew of things). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 23:29, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
 == Question about Mitch McConnell ==

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 :::::::::Che was killed long after JFK was killed, so no, the Kennedys played absolutely NO role in his death (besides, there's sufficient evidence there that Castro sold him out). I'll give you Diem, though. And the only actual killer was Lee Harvey Oswald. And unless you've actually done KGB disinformation campaigns yourself, I suggest you not question Ion Mihai Pacepa, who DID have sufficient experience and knowledge on those bits (heck, his book ''Red Horizons'' was partly responsible for Nicolai Ceausceau's downfall). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 23:25, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
 ::::::::::And you got this from about 6 weeks ago: RFK jr, [https://dcdirtylaundry.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-the-cia-killed-my-father-uncle-do-not-trust-the-medical-or-the-national-security-establishment/ "CIA Killed My Father & Uncle"].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:26, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
-:::::::::::Heck, aside from Pacepa (and you still haven't actually refuted his claims, BTW), there's also Stasi spymaster Markus Wolf, who actually pointed to Castro arranging for JFK's death (and last I checked, Castro wasn't a CIA asset either, certainly not by that time): https://townhall.com/columnists/humbertofontova/2016/07/25/trump-spreads-kgbhatched-disinformation-meme-about-jfks-assassination-n2197606 And quite frankly, RFK jr. wasn't even involved in espionage at all, so why the heck would he claim anything about who was responsible. At least Pacepa was a high ranking Soviet intelligence officer, as was Markus Wolf. And just as an FYI, the book The First Directorate by Oleg Kalugin, who was the highest ranking KGB official to record his story (I'm not sure if he outranks Pacepa or not). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 23:29, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
+:::::::::::Heck, aside from Pacepa (and you still haven't actually refuted his claims, BTW), there's also Stasi spymaster Markus Wolf, who actually pointed to Castro arranging for JFK's death (and last I checked, Castro wasn't a CIA asset either, certainly not by that time): https://townhall.com/columnists/humbertofontova/2016/07/25/trump-spreads-kgbhatched-disinformation-meme-about-jfks-assassination-n2197606 And quite frankly, RFK jr. wasn't even involved in espionage at all, so why the heck would he claim anything about who was responsible. At least Pacepa was a high ranking Soviet intelligence officer, as was Markus Wolf. And just as an FYI, the book The First Directorate by Oleg Kalugin, who was the highest ranking KGB official to record his story (I'm not sure if he outranks Pacepa or not), voiced similar statements to that of Pacepa regarding KGB involvement in the JFK assassination, at the very least the disinformation campaign if not the actual assassination itself, which means it's much more likely to be the Soviets who did it and NOT the Deep State (that's not to say the Deep State wasn't guilty of a whole slew of things). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 23:29, 8 October 2020 (EDT)
 == Question about Mitch McConnell ==