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| − | The article suggests that the practice of eugenics is directly tied to the theory of evolution. Is/are the author(s) totally unaware that Plato advocated a eugenics practice to better society, and that the Spartans effectively engaged in the practice by leaving newborn infants perceived as "weak" to die, or is the omission of this information a deliberate attempt to dishonestly claim that eugenics did not exist until Darwin's time? I also note that the article suggests that Darwin himself supported the idea, even though he specifically called the practice of neglecting those who he called "weak and helpless" an "overwhelming evil" that should be avoided even if the consequences of allowing them to continue to reproduce might harm society. I guess that facts didn't suit the agenda of whomever wrote this article, so they were omitted. | + | The article suggests that the practice of eugenics is directly tied to the theory of evolution. Is/are the author(s) totally unaware that Plato advocated a eugenics practice to better society, and that the Spartans effectively engaged in the practice by leaving newborn infants perceived as "weak" to die, or is the omission of this information a deliberate attempt to dishonestly claim that eugenics did not exist until Darwin's time? I also note that the article suggests that Darwin himself supported the idea, even though he specifically called the practice of neglecting those who he called "weak and helpless" an "overwhelming evil" that should be avoided even if the consequences of allowing them to continue to reproduce might harm society. I guess that facts didn't suit the agenda of whomever wrote this article, so they were omitted. [[User:Dimensio|Dimensio]] 15:00, 3 April 2007 (EDT) |
Revision as of 20:00, April 3, 2007
Crimeney, you've got it all wrong again...I'll try to clean up the science part without disturbing your point, if you dont mind.PalMD 00:36, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
Ok, Dawkin's letter shows NO approval for eugenics, just the opposite. Careful with the quote mining. Im not saying that no one in the world is a eugenecist, but chose the right ones. Singer is interesting...he makes ethical arguments about the sanctity of life, and creats a spectrum of sanctity. His ideas can be offensive, but he clearly states that killing is bad, just some killing is bad in different ways. He does not, as far as I can tell, speak of eugenics at all. You might consider leaving him out and finding a better example.PalMD 00:59, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
- I'd like to add what Crichton said about eugenics - which was censored from a Wikipedia article on the grounds of "Who's he? What does he know? He's only a novelist!" (paraphrased, obviously) --Ed Poor 14:02, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
I'd like to see what he had to say. It might be interesting.--PalMDtalk 14:18, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
- Well, first read what he had to say at talk:Politicized Science. It's rather shocking. --Ed Poor 15:05, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
I'd have to say that Eugenics, in the original 19th and 20th state, is pretty much gone. The modern war over eugenics will come in the fertility industry, selecting embryos with certain characteristics. This isn't, strictly speaking, eugenics, as eugenics was based on the scientifically invalid idea that you can breed certain characteristics in or out of the human population. This turned out to be way too simplistic (in addition to being evil). Feel free to contact me to discuss it more.--PalMDtalk 15:11, 30 March 2007 (EDT)
- Not all proponents of eugenics were for forced sterilization of immigrants and minorities. Selective breeding yes, but this was to improve the overall gene pool (get rid of retardation, disease, whatever) of all races, not to eliminate minorities. Jrssr5 09:34, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
Has the author even studied the history of eugenics?
The article suggests that the practice of eugenics is directly tied to the theory of evolution. Is/are the author(s) totally unaware that Plato advocated a eugenics practice to better society, and that the Spartans effectively engaged in the practice by leaving newborn infants perceived as "weak" to die, or is the omission of this information a deliberate attempt to dishonestly claim that eugenics did not exist until Darwin's time? I also note that the article suggests that Darwin himself supported the idea, even though he specifically called the practice of neglecting those who he called "weak and helpless" an "overwhelming evil" that should be avoided even if the consequences of allowing them to continue to reproduce might harm society. I guess that facts didn't suit the agenda of whomever wrote this article, so they were omitted. Dimensio 15:00, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
