Talk:Che Guevara

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There has been no evidence to support the claims that he was plotting but some conservatives have suspected him of planning terrorism against the United States. He was shot in Bolivia by the Bolivian Special Forces in 1967. These Bolivian soldiers were trained, equipped and guided by U.S. Green Beret and CIA operatives.

What is the point of this? US bad, Che good, or what?

This man murdered hundreds of Cuban civilians who opposed the murderous despotic reign of Castro. The paragraph above sounds like a whitewash. --Ed Poor 12:29, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

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He is also the voice of the conscience of Eva Peron in Andrew Lloyd Weber's Evita. In the cinematic version of the musical, "Che" is played by Antonio Banderas, and Evita by Madonna.

Wikipedia's article also has problems. --Ed Poor 12:49, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Ouch! It's totally true. Watch Evita. But it's not strictly important. Unless you love the musical like I do.-AmesG<suyo!</sub> 12:51, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Evita!? We're gonna use the Screen Writers Guild now as sources? Might as well fold shop and all of us move back to Wikipedia. RobS 13:27, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Wait, who's following the policy with Osama? Isn't the US government going hell for leather to try to kill Osama? MountainDew 13:19, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Nope. And never did. Studying the legend of Che, you now understand why it was never a priority to kill bin Laden. RobS 13:27, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

So stated US goals of killing him are lies? Or are you interpreting past the text? Because I thought you were a literalist type of character.-AmesG_yo! 15:10, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Since Guevara's killing in 1967 it has been debated among Intelligence analysts and policymakers the merits of killing a terrorist leader only to have him idolized in death as a maryr to a cause. After 1975, by Executive Order, such assassinations now are explicitly forbidden without Presidential authorization. In Israel, matters are handled somewhat differently, in that these sorts of decisions are Cabinet decisions, and not the responsibility of one man like under US law (see By Way of Deception by Victor Ostrovsky [1]). Arafat, for example, while condemned to death in absentia by the Israeli cabinet, nonetheless a death warant was never issued by the Prime Minister for his arrest and/or execution, and this is because of pressure from the US State Department not to make a Che Guevara type martyr out of him. Similiarly with bin Laden. Killing him serves no purpose now. It does not undo the events of 9/11 or bring 3000 back from the grave. It probably would elevate him in death to something larger than he ever was in life. So he can be made more of an example as a coward, living in hiding in caves, a hunted man for the rest of his life, which serves more to deter any future bin Laden wanna be's than making a martyr out of him. RobS 15:39, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

So is that your position as to why the US hasn't caught him yet? Then why did they catch Saddam? Was that a "mistake," because your policy seems to suggest that dangers to society are better alive than dead no matter what.-AmesG_yo! 15:44, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Excellent parallel; Saddam too, like bin Ladan, was made an example of, living in a hole as a hunted man. And when he was caught, it wasn't the US that executed him. There is no doubt that if bin Laden is caught, he will be tried to. But killing him out in the jungle for revenge purposes, or of fear that he might lead a mass movement again, is not a likely scenario. RobS 16:09, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Er, killing him in out in the jungle? Where, exactly, do you think he is? Pachuca 17:55, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

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...but apparently you are here to push forward your silly "anti-Che" agenda. The t-shirt pic is completely innapropriate for an encyclopedia entry. MatteeNeutra 17:45, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

RobS, I tried to post on your talk page but it was blocked with a spam protection filter. Please read my comments and respond. Cheers MatteeNeutra 18:12, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

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Are you honest to God saying that the US is deliberately leaving Osama alive so he doesn't become an martyr? That's rich. Pachuca 17:51, 19 May 2007 (EDT)