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[[File:Richard Carrier.jpg|thumbnail|165px|right|[[Richard Carrier]] at the launch of the Atheism plus movement wrote: "I am fully on board. I will provide any intellectual artillery they need to expand this cause and make it successful."<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/2207 The New Atheism +] by Richard Carrier</ref>]]
 
[[File:Richard Carrier.jpg|thumbnail|165px|right|[[Richard Carrier]] at the launch of the Atheism plus movement wrote: "I am fully on board. I will provide any intellectual artillery they need to expand this cause and make it successful."<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/2207 The New Atheism +] by Richard Carrier</ref>]]
'''Atheism plus''' is a largely defunct faction of atheism which holds to a [[liberal]]/[[progressivism|progressive]] political agenda. It developed out of the atheist and political ideology of [[Freethought]] blogs and was partly a response to the [[New Atheism]] and to the [[Elevatorgate]] controversy. Atheism plus encouraged progressive atheists to also focus on additional issues beyond atheism - including the issues of [[social justice]], [[feminism]], anti-[[racism]], and LGBTQ issues.
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'''Atheism plus''' was a [[Schools of atheist thought|type of atheism]] which held to a [[progressivism|progressive]] political agenda. It encouraged progressive atheists to also focus on issues beyond atheism - including the issues of [[social justice]], [[feminism]], anti-[[racism]], LGBTQ issues and [[Philosophical skepticism|skepticism]]. In August 2012, [[Jen McCreight|Jennifer McCreight]], the founder of the Atheism plus movement, wrote that the movement "applies skepticism to everything, including social issues like sexism, racism, politics, poverty, and crime."<ref>
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{{cite web|url=http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/|title=Blag Hag|author=Jen|website=freethoughtblogs.com|access-date=2013-09-22|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130921135039/http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag|archive-date=2013-09-21|dead-url=no|df=}}
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</ref> The Atheism plus website was active from 2012 to 2016.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20160422122532/http://atheismplus.com/ Atheism plus website - Archived/copied from the original website], Archive date April 22, 2016</ref>
  
In October 2014, the popular YouTube atheist [[Thunderf00t]] commented on how [[Jen McCreight]], the founder of the atheist feminist movement Atheism plus abandoned her movement within two weeks.  
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Atheist plus shared the progressive political ideology of [[Freethought]] blogs and was partly a response to the [[New Atheism]] and to the [[Elevatorgate]] controversy.
  
[[Richard Carrier]] at the launch of the Atheism plus movement wrote: "I am fully on board. I will provide any intellectual artillery they need to expand this cause and make it successful."<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/2207 The New Atheism +] by Richard Carrier</ref> Thunderf00t commented on how Richard Carrier "the intellectual artillery" of the movement, quit promoting the movement within a month.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqcLXNlEes Atheism+ Stream: How SJWs pushed their way into Atheism]</ref> See also: [[Atheism, social justice and hypocrisy]]
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News 24 indicates about the Atheism plus movement:
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{{Cquote|The movement started back in 2012 when a woman named Jennifer McCreight participated in a protest known as "boobquake" which was raised in reply to Kazem Seddiqi's claim that women dressing in revealing clothing causes earthquakes. Jennifer rose to online fame during this protest, an already avowed atheist, she soon begun promoting her atheism and feminism online. The comments she received however from the rest of the atheist community were mostly sexist remarks and invitations to sex, bringing to media attention the long known fact that most of those that are part of the new atheist movement are mostly men and [[misogyny|misogynistic]] sexist men at that, it should be no surprise also that many of atheism's public famous speakers and promoters are also sexist and have made sexist remarks about women in the past, prime examples being atheists [[Sam Harris]], [[Penn Jillette]], [[Christopher Hitchens]] (now deceased) and [[Richard Dawkins]].<ref>[https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/atheism-plus-and-the-intellectual-suicide-of-the-atheist-community-20160318 Atheism Plus and the intellectual suicide of the atheist community], website: https://www.news24.com</ref>}}
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In 2012, Joe Humphreys wrote in the ''Irish Times'' about the Atheism plus movement:
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{{Cquote|Last August, a new online forum, Atheism Plus, or A+, was launched by Jen McCreight, a Seattle-based blogger and secularist. Backed by a number of prominent women atheists, it seeks “a new wave of atheism” aimed at “promoting social justice” and “working against bigotry, hatred and discrimination”.
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Her biggest concern is what she sees as deep-rooted misogyny in the atheist community. Whenever she speaks in a light-hearted way about sexual issues, she says she receives obscene propositions, while posts about feminism are usually met with abuse.<ref>[https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/is-there-a-new-face-of-atheism-1.557837 Is there a new face of atheism?] by Joe Humphreys, Iris Times, Oct 26, 2012</ref>}}
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[[Richard Carrier]] at the launch of the Atheism plus movement wrote: "I am fully on board. I will provide any intellectual artillery they need to expand this cause and make it successful."<ref>[http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/2207 The New Atheism +] by Richard Carrier</ref> [[Thunderf00t]] commented on how Richard Carrier "the intellectual artillery" of the movement, quit promoting the movement within a month.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqcLXNlEes Atheism+ Stream: How SJWs pushed their way into Atheism]</ref> See also: [[Atheism, social justice and hypocrisy]]
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In October 2014, the popular YouTube atheist [[Thunderf00t]] commented on how Jen McCreight, the founder of the atheist feminist movement Atheism plus abandoned her movement within two weeks. In addition, he commented on how [[Richard Carrier]] "the intellectual artillery" of the movement, quit promoting the movement within a month.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuRRTXb0VFY Atheism+ Stream: How SJWs pushed their way into Atheism]</ref>
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Damion Reinhardt wrote about Carrier and Atheism plus movement: "About the only thing he did spectacularly wrong (from an [[atheist movement]] perspective) was turning Atheism Plus into an “us vs. them” festival of denunciation and excommunication, but that was arguably bound to happen. Possibly he should be credited with speeding up the inevitable collapse."<ref>[http://www.skepticink.com/backgroundprobability/2016/10/02/analysis-richard-carrier-lawsuit/ ANALYSIS OF THE RICHARD CARRIER LAWSUIT] by Damion Reinhardt</ref>
  
Damion Reinhardt wrote about Carrier and Atheism plus movement:
 
{{Cquote|About the only thing he did spectacularly wrong (from an [[atheist movement]] perspective) was turning Atheism Plus into an “us vs. them” festival of denunciation and excommunication, but that was arguably bound to happen. Possibly he should be credited with speeding up the inevitable collapse.<ref>[http://www.skepticink.com/backgroundprobability/2016/10/02/analysis-richard-carrier-lawsuit/ ANALYSIS OF THE RICHARD CARRIER LAWSUIT] by Damion Reinhardt</ref>}}
 
 
== Richard Carrier on people who he believes understand Atheism plus ==
 
== Richard Carrier on people who he believes understand Atheism plus ==
  
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''See also:'' [[Atheist factions]] and [[Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence|Atheists and antisocial behavior]]
 
''See also:'' [[Atheist factions]] and [[Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence|Atheists and antisocial behavior]]
 
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[[File:David Silverman Reason Rally.jpg|thumbnail|left|200px|[[David Silverman]] was the president of the [[American Atheists]] organization.  Silverman was fired due to allegations of financial conflicts and sexual assault.<ref>[https://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/david-silverman-atheist-fired-sexual-misconduct?utm_term=.yt64RqDPA#.ordaNrO4R This Firebrand Atheist Was Just Fired After Allegations Of Financial Conflicts And Sexual Assault]</ref> See also: [[American atheism]] ]]
 
''The Guardian'' wrote about Atheism plus and the reaction of many atheists on the internet:
 
''The Guardian'' wrote about Atheism plus and the reaction of many atheists on the internet:
 
{{Cquote|In the passionate world of [[American atheism]], the venom usually directed at believers has now been turned against the wrong kind of atheists...
 
{{Cquote|In the passionate world of [[American atheism]], the venom usually directed at believers has now been turned against the wrong kind of atheists...
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:"Yes, it does. Atheism+ is our movement. We will not consider you a part of it, we will not work with you, we will not befriend you. We will heretofore denounce you as the irrational or immoral scum you are (if such you are). If you reject these values, then you are no longer one of us. And we will now say so, publicly and repeatedly. You are hereby disowned."<ref>[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/02/american-atheism-schism-spit-venom Is American atheism heading for a schism?] by Peter McGrath, ''The Guardian''</ref>}}
 
:"Yes, it does. Atheism+ is our movement. We will not consider you a part of it, we will not work with you, we will not befriend you. We will heretofore denounce you as the irrational or immoral scum you are (if such you are). If you reject these values, then you are no longer one of us. And we will now say so, publicly and repeatedly. You are hereby disowned."<ref>[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/02/american-atheism-schism-spit-venom Is American atheism heading for a schism?] by Peter McGrath, ''The Guardian''</ref>}}
  
Post Elevatorgate and Atheism plus, the conflict between atheist feminism and anti-feminism atheists continues. Two of the most anti-feminism atheists are YouTube atheists [[Thunderf00t]] and [[TheAmazingAtheist]].
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Post Elevatorgate and Atheism plus, the conflict between atheist feminism and anti-feminism atheists continues. Two of the most anti-feminism atheists are YouTube atheists [[Thunderf00t]] and [[TheAmazingAtheist]] (See also: [[YouTube atheism]]).
 
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[[File:G. Christina.jpg|thumbnail|right|230px|Picture of [[Greta Christina]] in 2010.]]
 
Feminist and [[lesbianism|lesbian]] [[Greta Christina]] wrote about Atheism plus:
 
Feminist and [[lesbianism|lesbian]] [[Greta Christina]] wrote about Atheism plus:
 
{{Cquote|But if you don’t want to get involved with Atheism Plus — and you don’t want anyone else to, either? If you’re vociferously objecting to Atheism Plus and are actively trying to talk people out of it, because it’s “divisive,” because it will “weaken” the community and “splinter” us?
 
{{Cquote|But if you don’t want to get involved with Atheism Plus — and you don’t want anyone else to, either? If you’re vociferously objecting to Atheism Plus and are actively trying to talk people out of it, because it’s “divisive,” because it will “weaken” the community and “splinter” us?
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Face it. This community is already divided. And it is divided in a way that is making many, many women feel cut out. For a solid year, far too many women in this community — and especially feminist women — have been [http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/2012/08/how-i-unwittingly-infiltrated-the-boys-club-why-its-time-for-a-new-wave-of-atheism/ relentlessly subjected to a torrent of hatred, harassment, and abuse]…and to a torrent of people ignoring this behavior, rationalizing it, trivializing it, or getting angry at us for even talking about it.<ref>[Atheism Plus, and Some Thoughts on Divisiveness] by Greta Christina</ref>}}
 
Face it. This community is already divided. And it is divided in a way that is making many, many women feel cut out. For a solid year, far too many women in this community — and especially feminist women — have been [http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/2012/08/how-i-unwittingly-infiltrated-the-boys-club-why-its-time-for-a-new-wave-of-atheism/ relentlessly subjected to a torrent of hatred, harassment, and abuse]…and to a torrent of people ignoring this behavior, rationalizing it, trivializing it, or getting angry at us for even talking about it.<ref>[Atheism Plus, and Some Thoughts on Divisiveness] by Greta Christina</ref>}}
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== Canadian Journal of Sociology on Atheism plus ==
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''See also:'' [[Canada and irreligion]]
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The abstract of 2017 journal article entitled ''Atheism Plus What? Social Justice And Lifestyle Politics Among Edmonton Atheists'' published in the ''Canadian Journal of Sociology'' states:
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{{Cquote|This article addresses Edmonton secularists’ responses to the emergence of a social justice faction known as Atheism Plus (A+) within the broader secularist movement. I show that some atheist activists express a [[libertarian]] rationalism consistent with Enlightenment values to maintain a lifestyle free from collectivist ideologies that promote social justice. The data for this article comes from interviews and participant observation, focusing on three atheist organizations in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I draw from literature focused on everyday lifestyle choices as a form of protest to argue that for some atheist activists, their individual intellectual development takes priority over building a strong collective identity. Given that some scholars claim that atheism perpetuates gender inequality (Amarasingam and Brewster 2016; Miller 2013; Schnabel 2015), this work additionally contributes to our understanding of how atheists conceptualize their activism as sub- and micro-political activities free from community constraints.<ref>[https://journals.library.ualberta.ca/cjs/index.php/CJS/article/view/27297 Atheism Plus What? Social Justice And Lifestyle Politics Among Edmonton Atheists] by Jonathan Scott Simmons, Vol 42, No 4 (2017</ref>}}
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The entire article can be found at: [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322401200_Atheism_Plus_what_Social_justice_and_lifestyle_politics_among_Edmonton_atheists ''Atheism Plus What? Social Justice And Lifestyle Politics Among Edmonton Atheists''] by Jonathan Scott Simmons
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== Atheism plus and the desire for something more than mere atheism ==
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See also: [[Atheism and purpose]] and [[Atheism and meaninglessness]] and [[Atheism and incoherency]] and [[Atheism and emptiness|Emptiness of atheism]]
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The Atheist Revolution website indicated about the inability of atheism to answer life's most important questions:
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{{Cquote|There is a certain [[Atheism and emptiness|emptiness in atheism]] in the sense that it provides no answers to many of life's most important questions. For example, atheism tells us nothing about how one should live one's life. On this point, I can find agreement with some of the Atheism+ supporters in that I can see why people would say, "Great, we're atheists. Now what?" I certainly understand the appeal of wanting to go "beyond atheism."<ref>[https://www.atheistrev.com/2013/06/the-emptiness-of-atheism.html The Emptiness of Atheism], Atheist Revolution website</ref>}}
  
 
== See also ==
 
== See also ==
  
 
*[[Atheist feminism]]
 
*[[Atheist feminism]]
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*[[Atheism and women's rights]]
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*[[Atheism and social justice]]
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*[[SJW atheists|Social justice atheists]]
 
*[[Femen]]
 
*[[Femen]]
  
 
== External links ==
 
== External links ==
  
*[http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/religion/2012/08/atheism-plus-new-new-atheists Atheism+: the new New Atheists]
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*[http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/religion/2012/08/atheism-plus-new-new-atheists Atheism+: the new New Atheists], New Statesman, 2012
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*[http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/2012/08/atheism/ Freethoughtblogs - Blag Hag: ''Atheism+'']
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*[https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14153 How the Right and the Left Nuked Atheism Plus] by Richard Carrier, 2018
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*[https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/some_observations_about_atheism_plus/ Some Observations About Atheism Plus] by Ronald A. Lindsay, [[Center for Inquiry]]
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*[https://the-orbit.net/greta/2012/08/20/atheism-plus-the-new-wave-of-atheism/ Atheism Plus: The New Wave of Atheism] by Greta Christina, 2012
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*[https://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/myths-and-truths-about-atheism Myths and Truths About Atheism+] by Adam Lee
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*[https://www.patheos.com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2012/08/atheism-plus-what/ Atheism Plus What?] by Daniel Fincke
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*[https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2412 Being with or against Atheism+] by Richard Carrier
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*[https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/2207 The New Atheism +] by Richard Carrier
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*[https://www.reddit.com/r/atheismplus/ Reddit - Atheism plus]
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'''Videos:'''
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Pro Atheism plus:
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*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYhbj1RGKs Atheism+?] by [[PZ Myers]], Jen McCreight, [[Rebecca Watson]], Ian Brown and Louis
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*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWB54obUmOI Greta Christina, Atheism+, and AgentOfDoubt's question]
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Criticisms of the Atheism plus movement by atheists:
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*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuRRTXb0VFY Atheism+ Stream-How SJWs pushed their way into Atheism]
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*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF3LHRgYwFU Atheism+ My Opposition] by Noel Plum
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Christian commentary on the Atheism plus movement:
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*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C9fQpKtW8A Atheism+ : The Matt Dillahunty Experience] by Jason Burns
  
 
== Notes ==
 
== Notes ==
 
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Latest revision as of 21:03, 11 September 2019

Richard Carrier at the launch of the Atheism plus movement wrote: "I am fully on board. I will provide any intellectual artillery they need to expand this cause and make it successful."[1]

Atheism plus was a type of atheism which held to a progressive political agenda. It encouraged progressive atheists to also focus on issues beyond atheism - including the issues of social justice, feminism, anti-racism, LGBTQ issues and skepticism. In August 2012, Jennifer McCreight, the founder of the Atheism plus movement, wrote that the movement "applies skepticism to everything, including social issues like sexism, racism, politics, poverty, and crime."[2] The Atheism plus website was active from 2012 to 2016.[3]

Atheist plus shared the progressive political ideology of Freethought blogs and was partly a response to the New Atheism and to the Elevatorgate controversy.

News 24 indicates about the Atheism plus movement:

The movement started back in 2012 when a woman named Jennifer McCreight participated in a protest known as "boobquake" which was raised in reply to Kazem Seddiqi's claim that women dressing in revealing clothing causes earthquakes. Jennifer rose to online fame during this protest, an already avowed atheist, she soon begun promoting her atheism and feminism online. The comments she received however from the rest of the atheist community were mostly sexist remarks and invitations to sex, bringing to media attention the long known fact that most of those that are part of the new atheist movement are mostly men and misogynistic sexist men at that, it should be no surprise also that many of atheism's public famous speakers and promoters are also sexist and have made sexist remarks about women in the past, prime examples being atheists Sam Harris, Penn Jillette, Christopher Hitchens (now deceased) and Richard Dawkins.[4]

In 2012, Joe Humphreys wrote in the Irish Times about the Atheism plus movement:

Last August, a new online forum, Atheism Plus, or A+, was launched by Jen McCreight, a Seattle-based blogger and secularist. Backed by a number of prominent women atheists, it seeks “a new wave of atheism” aimed at “promoting social justice” and “working against bigotry, hatred and discrimination”.

Her biggest concern is what she sees as deep-rooted misogyny in the atheist community. Whenever she speaks in a light-hearted way about sexual issues, she says she receives obscene propositions, while posts about feminism are usually met with abuse.[5]

Richard Carrier at the launch of the Atheism plus movement wrote: "I am fully on board. I will provide any intellectual artillery they need to expand this cause and make it successful."[6] Thunderf00t commented on how Richard Carrier "the intellectual artillery" of the movement, quit promoting the movement within a month.[7] See also: Atheism, social justice and hypocrisy

In October 2014, the popular YouTube atheist Thunderf00t commented on how Jen McCreight, the founder of the atheist feminist movement Atheism plus abandoned her movement within two weeks. In addition, he commented on how Richard Carrier "the intellectual artillery" of the movement, quit promoting the movement within a month.[8]

Damion Reinhardt wrote about Carrier and Atheism plus movement: "About the only thing he did spectacularly wrong (from an atheist movement perspective) was turning Atheism Plus into an “us vs. them” festival of denunciation and excommunication, but that was arguably bound to happen. Possibly he should be credited with speeding up the inevitable collapse."[9]

Richard Carrier on people who he believes understand Atheism plus

See also: Atheism and polyamory

Richard Carrier wrote in a blog post entitled Our Mythical Campaign against Sex:

Polyamory and swinging and even the attending of orgies requires more ethical behavior and more careful attention to boundaries and consent than traditional sexual relationships do. And people who are ethical enough to be accepted in those communities are the very people who get Atheism+ and why it is needed.

The bottom line is, we are already enthusiastically in favor of people pursuing all kinds of sexual activities, even at atheist events. Many of our most avid supports are wholeheartedly doing this. The only thing we are concerned about is that people do this ethically, that people don’t use their sex drives as an excuse to harass, harm, or cross boundaries.[10]

Atheist feminism related online schism

See also: Atheist factions and Atheists and antisocial behavior

David Silverman was the president of the American Atheists organization. Silverman was fired due to allegations of financial conflicts and sexual assault.[11] See also: American atheism

The Guardian wrote about Atheism plus and the reaction of many atheists on the internet:

In the passionate world of American atheism, the venom usually directed at believers has now been turned against the wrong kind of atheists...

It took 700 years from Constantine renaming Byzantium in his own honour to papal legates circulating letters of anathema that split the Roman and Orthodox churches. Atheism, in its public, online life, has started exchanging internet anathemas – perhaps we should call them inathemas – in little more than a decade...

When one commentator suggests "atheism does not have the luxury of kicking people out of its movement", Carrier gives him a rare old quilting in most splendid prose:

"Yes, it does. Atheism+ is our movement. We will not consider you a part of it, we will not work with you, we will not befriend you. We will heretofore denounce you as the irrational or immoral scum you are (if such you are). If you reject these values, then you are no longer one of us. And we will now say so, publicly and repeatedly. You are hereby disowned."[12]

Post Elevatorgate and Atheism plus, the conflict between atheist feminism and anti-feminism atheists continues. Two of the most anti-feminism atheists are YouTube atheists Thunderf00t and TheAmazingAtheist (See also: YouTube atheism).

Picture of Greta Christina in 2010.

Feminist and lesbian Greta Christina wrote about Atheism plus:

But if you don’t want to get involved with Atheism Plus — and you don’t want anyone else to, either? If you’re vociferously objecting to Atheism Plus and are actively trying to talk people out of it, because it’s “divisive,” because it will “weaken” the community and “splinter” us?

Listen up...

Face it. This community is already divided. And it is divided in a way that is making many, many women feel cut out. For a solid year, far too many women in this community — and especially feminist women — have been relentlessly subjected to a torrent of hatred, harassment, and abuse…and to a torrent of people ignoring this behavior, rationalizing it, trivializing it, or getting angry at us for even talking about it.[13]

Canadian Journal of Sociology on Atheism plus

See also: Canada and irreligion

The abstract of 2017 journal article entitled Atheism Plus What? Social Justice And Lifestyle Politics Among Edmonton Atheists published in the Canadian Journal of Sociology states:

This article addresses Edmonton secularists’ responses to the emergence of a social justice faction known as Atheism Plus (A+) within the broader secularist movement. I show that some atheist activists express a libertarian rationalism consistent with Enlightenment values to maintain a lifestyle free from collectivist ideologies that promote social justice. The data for this article comes from interviews and participant observation, focusing on three atheist organizations in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I draw from literature focused on everyday lifestyle choices as a form of protest to argue that for some atheist activists, their individual intellectual development takes priority over building a strong collective identity. Given that some scholars claim that atheism perpetuates gender inequality (Amarasingam and Brewster 2016; Miller 2013; Schnabel 2015), this work additionally contributes to our understanding of how atheists conceptualize their activism as sub- and micro-political activities free from community constraints.[14]

The entire article can be found at: Atheism Plus What? Social Justice And Lifestyle Politics Among Edmonton Atheists by Jonathan Scott Simmons

Atheism plus and the desire for something more than mere atheism

See also: Atheism and purpose and Atheism and meaninglessness and Atheism and incoherency and Emptiness of atheism

The Atheist Revolution website indicated about the inability of atheism to answer life's most important questions:

There is a certain emptiness in atheism in the sense that it provides no answers to many of life's most important questions. For example, atheism tells us nothing about how one should live one's life. On this point, I can find agreement with some of the Atheism+ supporters in that I can see why people would say, "Great, we're atheists. Now what?" I certainly understand the appeal of wanting to go "beyond atheism."[15]

See also

External links

Videos:

Pro Atheism plus:

Criticisms of the Atheism plus movement by atheists:

Christian commentary on the Atheism plus movement:

Notes