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Hah, I find this discussion amusing. It acknowledges that basically, your religious beliefs, if any, are inspired by what your parents and countrymen believe, yet there is still the tacit assumption that Christianity is the correct religion. Don't you ever wonder that, just possibly, if there is a God, it isn't the one you're worshipping, and you're in deep, deep trouble spiritually. There have been literally thousands of different religions and cults throughout history. Yours just happens to be popular at this point. | Hah, I find this discussion amusing. It acknowledges that basically, your religious beliefs, if any, are inspired by what your parents and countrymen believe, yet there is still the tacit assumption that Christianity is the correct religion. Don't you ever wonder that, just possibly, if there is a God, it isn't the one you're worshipping, and you're in deep, deep trouble spiritually. There have been literally thousands of different religions and cults throughout history. Yours just happens to be popular at this point. | ||
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− | :Of course I've considered it, but decided on Christianity. The Bible has the power of predictive prophecy in its favor, such as the messianic prophecies. | + | :Of course I've considered it, but decided on Christianity. The Bible has the power of predictive prophecy in its favor, such as the messianic prophecies. The Bible has more proof than any other book. |
− | + | In that case, why Christianity and not Judaism? According to the Catholics, Jews are all going to hell. . Most Christians I've asked this of tend to say they feel moved by the spirit. This always strikes me as a circular argument. Why do you believe, because the spirit moves me. Most religions though, like Jewdaism, and Christianity, are mearly different when it comes to traditions. Only the catholics believe the jews are going to hell, the evangelical prodistants do not, and admint that the christian roots stem from Jewdamism. | |
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− | + | The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329 | |
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::::840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus. | ::::840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus. | ||
− | + | His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city | |
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::::846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: | ::::846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: | ||
− | ::::Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. | + | ::::Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. |
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::::Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337 | ::::Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337 | ||
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+ | "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338 | ||
[http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#839] | [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#839] | ||
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:: That's cool. Faith is faith.-'''<font color="#007FFF">Ames</font><font color="#FF0000">G</font>'''<sub>[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]</sub> 22:58, 3 April 2007 (EDT) | :: That's cool. Faith is faith.-'''<font color="#007FFF">Ames</font><font color="#FF0000">G</font>'''<sub>[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]</sub> 22:58, 3 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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Yeah, somewhere down the line you have to come to the decision to believe or not one way or the other. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 23:00, 3 April 2007 (EDT) | Yeah, somewhere down the line you have to come to the decision to believe or not one way or the other. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 23:00, 3 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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You assume that the truth will necessarily make sense? --[[User:BenjaminS|BenjaminS]] 23:12, 3 April 2007 (EDT) | You assume that the truth will necessarily make sense? --[[User:BenjaminS|BenjaminS]] 23:12, 3 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
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+ | I have no problem being a Christian. What if there was someone who never had a missionary come and tell him about Christianity? Does he go to Hell by mere circumstances of his birth? That's also not even taking into account I don't really see Hell and Satan and literal entities, but non withstanding, even if they are, I don't think God would do something like that.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 15:13, 12 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
==Why?== | ==Why?== |
Revision as of 00:32, July 23, 2007
If most Muslims learned their religion from their parents, just like us Christians, they will probably be hard to convert. So what can we do to save their souls?
Nothing
We dont need to be saved...Thanks for the offer though
Human beings have no power to save souls. God has the power to save souls. Teresita 09:24, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- Of course, but don't you believe we have the duty to evangelize? Aren't we commanded to convert others to Christian faith? --Madonna 10:09, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
I suppose they're just like Buddists, Confuscians, Hindus, Jews, Christians, Jains, Pagans, etc. People almost never abandon their faith. You might not appreciate it if some Muslims tried to convince you that Jesus was a fraud and that you'd go to hell unless you converted to Islam. Why would they accept a Christian doing that to them? Czolgolz 09:53, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- Who says any one religion is the right one for everyone to follow? A good Christian would accept their religion and faith as their own beliefs and not persecute them for believing in something different. "Save their souls" <-- that's almost a laughable statement. Jrssr5 10:26, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- This is Conservapedia. Writing about things from a Christian perspective is one of its aims. - BornAgainBrit
I think something should be said to the fact that they still believe in the same God it's just called by a different name Allah.
Some of these comments do not hold up to what the Bible says. Jesus said "Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you." (Matthew 28:19-20) MountainDew 22:42, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- I think all should just honestly leave well enough alone. Religion belongs as a private matter.-AmesGyo! 22:43, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- Religion is the bond between God and his creations. We are expected to worship Him. As believers, we have an obligation to those less-fortunate who have been suckered into praising false idols. Altruism is expected, and to sweep it away as an invasion of privacy is offensive. --Rustyjd07 22:45, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- Aaaaaaaaand that's what led to the Crusades. Super.-AmesGyo! 22:49, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- Religion is the bond between God and his creations. We are expected to worship Him. As believers, we have an obligation to those less-fortunate who have been suckered into praising false idols. Altruism is expected, and to sweep it away as an invasion of privacy is offensive. --Rustyjd07 22:45, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- Let's set the record straight. There was nothing wrong with the first crusade - that went well. As for all the others, well, that was a result of poor tactics and inadequate devotion of resources. Children?! They just can't fight the spawn of Satan as well as one would think. --Rustyjd07 22:53, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- Phew, you're being sarcastic.-AmesGyo! 22:54, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
- Let's set the record straight. There was nothing wrong with the first crusade - that went well. As for all the others, well, that was a result of poor tactics and inadequate devotion of resources. Children?! They just can't fight the spawn of Satan as well as one would think. --Rustyjd07 22:53, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
The only true difference between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is a sharp disagreement over who God’s last true prophet was. If you are a Jew, it is one of those Old Testament dudes. If you are a Christian, it was Jesus Christ, if you are a Muslim, Mohammed was the last true prophet. I’m not counting all the other offshoots of the major religions of course. For example, I think the Mormons would consider Joseph Smith a prophet, whereas other Christian denominations do not. Dw1237200
Shouldn't you convert to their religion?
Hah, I find this discussion amusing. It acknowledges that basically, your religious beliefs, if any, are inspired by what your parents and countrymen believe, yet there is still the tacit assumption that Christianity is the correct religion. Don't you ever wonder that, just possibly, if there is a God, it isn't the one you're worshipping, and you're in deep, deep trouble spiritually. There have been literally thousands of different religions and cults throughout history. Yours just happens to be popular at this point.
- Of course I've considered it, but decided on Christianity. The Bible has the power of predictive prophecy in its favor, such as the messianic prophecies. The Bible has more proof than any other book.
In that case, why Christianity and not Judaism? According to the Catholics, Jews are all going to hell. . Most Christians I've asked this of tend to say they feel moved by the spirit. This always strikes me as a circular argument. Why do you believe, because the spirit moves me. Most religions though, like Jewdaism, and Christianity, are mearly different when it comes to traditions. Only the catholics believe the jews are going to hell, the evangelical prodistants do not, and admint that the christian roots stem from Jewdamism.
The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329
- 840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
His providence, evident goodness, and saving designs extend to all against the day when the elect are gathered together in the holy city
In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:
- 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door.
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338
The Christian faith has two lines of thought, the Muslims are are going to Hell. Men with much more time on their hands and many more religious texts have thought of this for years years since the time of Christ himself. My personal belief is that the Christian faith is the one true path to salvation.
- That's cool. Faith is faith.-AmesGyo! 22:58, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, somewhere down the line you have to come to the decision to believe or not one way or the other. MountainDew 23:00, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
You assume that the truth will necessarily make sense? --BenjaminS 23:12, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
I have no problem being a Christian. What if there was someone who never had a missionary come and tell him about Christianity? Does he go to Hell by mere circumstances of his birth? That's also not even taking into account I don't really see Hell and Satan and literal entities, but non withstanding, even if they are, I don't think God would do something like that.--Elamdri 15:13, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Why?
Why would you try to convert someone, and what makes you think they need saving? No one should stick their nose in other peoples bussiness to try to mess stuff up.AtheistKathryn 23:25, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
- It's sorta an evangelical belief from what I understand.--Elamdri 23:48, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
- Because, while they dont realise it as long as they live, they will be extremally thankful for it afterwards. The new testament is very clear on this: There is only one route to salvation, and that is Christ. - BornAgainBrit.