Debate:Is Conservapedia fair and balanced?
Since Conservapedia has been called unbalanced, I thought it would be good to start a discussion on this topic here in order to get a more varied opinion.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Foo (talk)
- Well, that sounds fair.--TerryH 08:56, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- It seems to be horribly biased toward protest-antism. --Luke-Jr 10:42, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
My initial reaction to the question: "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!". Speaking seriously: No, it's not. It's anything but fair and balanced. Edits that try to balance articles are reverted and often called vandalism or inappropriate. The fact that quite a few controversial articles are simply locked and then edited to support the view of radical conservatives/creationists/people who take the Bible literally doesn't exactly help. --Sid 3050 11:48, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
Sid: can you give any examples of controversial articles that are locked??!! --Jlovesu 12:41, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- Theory of evolution, Macroevolution, Second Law of Thermodynamics, Young Earth Creationism...are we seeing a pattern here, incidentally? Tsumetai 12:44, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- (Arr, edit-sniped by Tsumetai! But I'll post it anyway since it also shows some diffs that removed attempts at balance) Sure thing: Theory of Evolution, Second Law of Thermodynamics, Faith, and that's without even checking the current Protection Log. The respective reverts that happened during the locking process: Theory of Evolution, Second Law of Thermodynamics, Faith. Theory of Evolution effectively became Conservative's article and quickly evolved (Ha!) into a lengthy rant against evolution and the scientific community. The Second Law of Thermodynamics currently states that it disproves evolution, and the Faith article was linked to from the front page with the words "Did you know that faith is a uniquely Christian concept?". All articles are currently locked.
As long as articles like the homosexual agenda page, and the Theory of Evolution page, and the abortion page exist, it will not be fair & balanced. As long as I'm prevented from correcting blatant factual or legal errors, allowing the admins to represent as "facts" erroneous statements as to evolution, etc., it will not be fair & balanced.
As for locked controversial articles, see any of the ones I noted above.--AmesG 12:45, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- Can you explain how a theory is a "fact"? RobS 13:00, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- Same way anything else is. Massive amounts of supporting evidence. Tsumetai 13:02, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- So then if a theory has facts to support it, it no longer is a theory. RobS 13:09, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
- No, theories remain theories regardless of how strongly supported they are. 'Theory' and 'fact' are not mutually exclusive categories. Tsumetai 13:12, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
Of course Conservapedia is biased, and it always will be. It's a conservative Christian encyclopedia, so many will see it as a silly joke, while others (the 45% who believe the universe is 14,000 years old) will take it seriously, a la FOX News. --Hojimachongtalk 13:02, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
Not a damn chance. This is the biggest joke I've seen in years.
Are you joking? The name itself betrays the fact that the site was deliberately set up to be biased. Pretending otherwise requires a tremendous effort of hypocrisy. Rjohnson 08:49, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
-- Its written by people of one political veiw and of one religion with very few sources, how can it possibly be unbiased. You only have to look at some of the articals to realise that, for example thier artical on the unicorn:
"Secular opinion is that they are mythical"
By secular you mean not christian i might point out, many other religions do not support the existance of unicorns.
The image shown in that article i believe you will find most experts (aka Paleobiologists, not biblical experts) would call a "triceratops," which fossil evidence has prooved pre-dates any known human existance, or infact any large primate existance.
your section under evolution "Lack of Any Clear Transitional Forms," dismisses some genetic possabilities that may explain the lack of transitional forms (for example polyploidy.) Also in the whole evolution article i could not see any quote which was pro evolution, weird since in my experiance most biologists DO believe in evolution.
Also "However, young earth creationist scientists assert that there is an abundance of scientific arguments showing the earth and universe are both approximately 6,000 years in age."
Show me one peice of evidence or even moderate SCIENTIFIC (that doesnt include the bible) argument for the universe being this young that isnt an absolute joke!! Also i may point out that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the universe and the earth to be of the same age.
Also in the "abortion" topic here i find a large section talking about large increases in risk of a woman getting breast cancer.
"The vast majority of scientific studies have shown that abortion causes an increase in breast cancer, including 16 out of 17 statistically significant studies" boasting 1 reference
wikipedia: "The hypothesis garnered renewed interest from rat studies conducted in the 1980s, however, it has not been scientifically verified in humans, and abortion is not considered a breast cancer risk by any major cancer organization." 3 references from a respected journal.
Think point made?
Conservapedia isnt just unfair, unbalanced, biased, it is a complete joke!
Wikipedia on the other hand is often sourced and written by a large number of people of different opinions! (by the way the people: something not agreeing with you 100% does not count as biased)
Not only is conservapedia biased it lacks information. your article on genetics literally reads "The science that studies how characteristics get passed from parent to offspring." Personly i find most of your articles close to useless, especially on science.
Those are a few examples of articles here i believe to be very biased, im confident there are more. However some articles on here i was suprised to find were not as biased as the above, for example the Creationist and Theistic Evolutionary Views, in the big bang article.