Debate: Is the Bible logical?
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This is roughly where this debate begins on a previous page:
My candidate would something like Euclid's Elements - but certainly not the Bible as
- the Bible includes miracles, i.e., happenings which are remarkable as they defy logic and
- an almighty God certainly is not bound by our understanding of logic
FrankC aka ComedyFan 16:43, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- Maybe you should read our essay, Essay:Quantifying Order. JacobB 16:45, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- The words logic or logical don't appear even once in that essay, it seems to be about order.... FrankC aka ComedyFan 17:00, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- The essay points out how there is nothing illogical about miracles, and you haven't provided anything illogical about them. Miracles reflect greater order in a world plagued by disorder. "Signs" is the better translation of the term for miracles ... signs of the greater underlying order.--Andy Schlafly 17:25, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. What's logical about this? It's a surprising event, a miracle or a sign, at least something out-of-order happening... FrankC aka ComedyFan 17:35, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- Logic can be surprising, as in the Monty Hall three-door paradox or the Coase Theorem. But there's nothing illogical about God projecting His voice from a bush that He originally created. I think you mean to say it is "out of the ordinary." It is NOT illogical.--Andy Schlafly 17:49, 14 December 2009 (EST)
- Well put, Andy. From my experience it seems like many people only read brief passages from the Bible and don't fully understand them, which is why they may think it's "illogical." But a careful study of the full meaning of the scriptures leads one to realize that it is indeed the most logical book ever written. To all those trying to argue against the Bible here - I urge you to spend a bit more time meticulously studying its contents, and perhaps you will be enlightened. God bless, --FatherJoseph 21:43, 14 December 2009 (EST)
Projecting His voice from a bush that He originally created sounds as logical as visiting Leda as a swan. It doesn't become more logical by just repeating the statement! Conservapedia's article on Logic states:
- Logic is also used extensively in theology, and especially the study of the Bible, which, due to its divine inspiration, is very logical.
- IMO, things get illogical because of divine inspirations, as an almighty God shouldn't be restricted by out ideas of logic!
- FrankC aka ComedyFan 07:34, 15 December 2009 (EST)
- @FrankC: Here you are pretending to have knowledge of logic while simultaneously demonstrating that you have no idea what logic is whatsoever. How can I make such a bold claim? Here's why: "sounds as logical as visiting Leda as a swan." There are three classical Laws of Logic; the Law of Non-Contradiction, the Law of Identity, and the Law of the Excluded Middle. None of those laws are violated if I were to jump up in the air right now and fly around like Superman. That would be violating natural laws but not logic. Likewise, none of the Laws of Logic were ever broken by God. Here's a hint why:
- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)
- The greek term for "word" is Logos which means Logic.
- I hope you actually take a class on critical reasoning soon. We can't have pseudo-intellectuals like you clogging up the "tubes" of the internet.--Linkmeup2003 00:53, 16 December 2009 (EST)
- @FrankC: Here you are pretending to have knowledge of logic while simultaneously demonstrating that you have no idea what logic is whatsoever. How can I make such a bold claim? Here's why: "sounds as logical as visiting Leda as a swan." There are three classical Laws of Logic; the Law of Non-Contradiction, the Law of Identity, and the Law of the Excluded Middle. None of those laws are violated if I were to jump up in the air right now and fly around like Superman. That would be violating natural laws but not logic. Likewise, none of the Laws of Logic were ever broken by God. Here's a hint why:
- Linkmeup2003, maybe we can all try a more respectful tone while debating this topic.
It is difficult to argue the logic of the Bible with those who's foundation for logic is the Bible. Those who believe in its absolute faultlessness as a starting point for logic can not be convinced of its fault. Any reference to its contradictions will only be met with vehement conviction of its supreme divinity. DaveGBx 08:34, 15 December 2009 (EST)
Eoinc has written an interesting essay here: essay
