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I will call you out if you are a cuck or if you are an extremist. This seems to be a contentious issue.
 
I will call you out if you are a cuck or if you are an extremist. This seems to be a contentious issue.
  
I do not believe it is self-contradictory to agree with [https://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/03/slack_for_ios_upload-640x480.jpg this] while disagreeing with this<ref>https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1159117322805743617</ref> (but not with the response);<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4ywKn7KXs</ref> or to agree with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYIoEaaWnE this] while disagreeing with this.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTwGjyGTO4s</ref>
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[[Nicholas J. Fuentes|Nick Fuentes]] is a [[identity politics|white identitarian]].<ref>https://tv.gab.com/channel/three_spoons/view/nick-fuentes-white-americans-are-61619c89645a5a7fe897dd5e</ref> While it is interesting that the conservative movement seems to ostracize the white identitarian groypers while tolerating or even promoting the black identitarian "[[conscious conservatives]]," neither form of identity politics is truly justified.
  
[[Nicholas J. Fuentes|Nick Fuentes]] is a [[white nationalist]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpG4w3Y-rsY</ref> He is [[racist]] and [[anti-Semitic]].<ref>https://zoa.org/2019/10/10426718-zoa-urges-twitter-to-remove-white-supremacist-and-holocaust-denier-nick-fuentes/</ref> So, essentially, he's the same as [[Richard B. Spencer|Richard Spencer]].[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cCS1cP69Wo]
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Some people seem to be on the wrong side of this one.<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZIx5Ynd9_Sw/</ref><ref>https://illustratedphilosophy.com/ip152/</ref> Take Tarl Warwick, who defended Nick Fuentes while attacking [[Sebastian Gorka]]<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/_wZLuDCM4zg/</ref> and [[Ben Shapiro]].<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/JC-QFd1jkYw/</ref> Or take identitarian [[Faith Goldy]], who produced a video for VDARE in support of Nick Fuentes and his defenders that condemned [[Charlie Kirk|Turning Point USA]] and the [[Trump]] Administration as "[[Conservative Inc.]]"<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/GuLEC0jTwSnj/</ref>
  
Some people seem to be on the wrong side of this one.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uycGuzhs2_0&t=3402s</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuGb54-F0kg</ref><ref>https://www.infowars.com/dan-crenshaw-suggests-criticism-of-israel-is-not-protected-under-the-first-amendment/</ref> Take the YouTuber The Amazing Lucas. Lucas has defended Nick Fuentes three times,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhTQQDoJAEM</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JzDRhIqQ5g</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbqpT1SFheU</ref> even hosting him for a livestream.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-1Gqa_C6DU&t=540s</ref> Lucas attacked [[Donald Trump, Jr.]]<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulF_p5EVgA</ref> and [[Young Americans for Freedom]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG37BXH6mHk</ref> Or take [[Milo Yiannopoulos]], who has viciously attacked Turning Point USA, [[Charlie Kirk]],<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDeQYFxM3Mw</ref> and Rob Smith.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huL82E4pfjw</ref> Milo also hosted Nick Fuentes for a softball interview.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Rtr922ENg</ref> Or take [[identity politics|identitarian]] [[Faith Goldy]], who produced a blatantly false and anti-Trump propaganda video for VDARE in support of Nick Fuentes and his defenders that condemned Turning Point USA and the Trump Administration as "[[Conservative Inc.]]"<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FI4h_JKohc</ref>
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This is not [[establishment]] vs. anti-establishment. I am very anti-establishment. But these people attack [[movement conservative]]s as well as [[mainstream conservative|mainstream]] and establishment conservatives. [[The Washington Examiner]] may have forced its employees to get [[COVID vaccine|vaccinated against COVID-19]] even before [[Biden]] announced [[Biden's vaccine mandate|his federal mandate]],<ref>https://thehill.com/homenews/media/565977-washington-examiner-to-require-vaccination-for-employees</ref> but [[The Daily Wire]] filed a lawsuit against the Biden Administration challenging the mandate.<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-the-daily-wire-challenges-biden-administration-vaccine-mandate</ref>
  
This is not [[establishment]] vs. anti-establishment. I am very anti-establishment. But these people attack [[movement conservative]]s as well as [[mainstream conservative]]s. Besides, they have been defended by establishment conservative outlets, such as [[RedState]],<ref>https://www.redstate.com/jeffc/2019/12/01/conservatives-let%E2%80%99s-stop-pretending-hate-identity-politics/</ref> and they have defended establishment conservative outlets like [[Drudge Report]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmLVrPgARos</ref>
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I don't have a problem with people who question or criticize the [[Civil Rights Movement]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H--xP8Xvnd8</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omukr2ML8BA&t=909s</ref> Elijah Schaffer called [[Abraham Lincoln]] a globalist,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37n6fi7R1uk&t=3198s</ref> and though I disagree I won't hold it against him. However, I take issue with people who trivialize, downplay, or engage in historical revisionism about the [[Holocaust]]. I'm not talking about clear-cut satire, as long as one makes sure the aim of the comedy is to deride neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers. Neither of those labels applies to Nick Fuentes or the famous Canadian anti-lockdown protester Chris Sky, but in the case of the former the satire seemed to be aimed against people who believe that 6,000,000 Jews died during this horrific genocide.<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/yQ_nzYWTOlY/</ref> Likewise, Chris Sky claimed that this figure originated in the [[Talmud]] and that it is unrealistic --- before storming out of the interview by [[Rebel News]]' David Menzies having accused the [[People's Party of Canada]] and Rebel News itself of being controlled opposition.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdYxBY-69WE</ref> A historical event with such a monumental toll on a group of people that caused such great collective emotional, physical, and psychological damage is and should be an incredibly sensitive topic. Even VDARE's John Derbyshire reprimanded Fuentes for his nonchalant attitude toward it.<ref>https://vdare.com/posts/from-the-derbyshire-email-bag-groypers-pro-and-con</ref>
  
You can disagree with [[Ben Shapiro]] on [[trade]]<ref>https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/03/12/debunking-ben-shapiro-tariffs/</ref> or [[theology]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyMCVjIvNnc</ref> People have respectfully challenged him in those areas, and he has admitted when he has been wrong.<ref>https://www.westernjournal.com/ben-shapiro-admits-trump-100-right-100-wrong-latest-report-true/</ref> Even his own co-workers have disagreed with him<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/klavan-helsinki-perfect-example-how-shapiro-and-i-daily-wire</ref> or held differing opinions from him.<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/klavan-networks-are-lying-about-trumps-trade-war-daily-wire</ref> You can do that without [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU4A9Jx6580 stooping to anti-Semitism or emotionalism], or attempting to humiliate him in front of his wife and children.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQDiPcBWEY</ref> Ben Shapiro is right about white nationalists,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrWly5uNUI</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge_RUxBTHN4</ref> despite the claims of some.<ref>https://bigleaguepolitics.com/shameful-never-trumper-ben-shapiro-quotes-a-nazi-to-smear-america-first-patriots/</ref> He is not the only one on the right side of this issue.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYVymZEA9es</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaZXqL4UuM&t=360s</ref><ref>https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/turning-point-usa-denounced-racism-and-conservative-snowflakes-have-a-problem-with-that</ref><ref>https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michelle-malkin-is-betting-that-nick-fuentes-and-his-racism-are-the-rights-future</ref><ref>https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/28/far-right-white-nationalists-fracturing-donald-tru/</ref><ref>https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/8/no-the-groypers-are-not-conservatives/</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtpbD-cIcvE</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfljAM9dDmM</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZTe0WohCuo</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTv6OmHFKUk&t=507s</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltlGZUTo3qs</ref><ref>https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/very-disturbing-nick-fuentes-and-his-groypers-infiltrated-the-tpusa-event-last-night-and-bashed-gays-and-jews-video/</ref>
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You can disagree with Ben Shapiro on [[trade]]<ref>https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/03/12/debunking-ben-shapiro-tariffs/</ref> or [[theology]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyMCVjIvNnc</ref> People have respectfully challenged him in those areas, and he has admitted when he has been wrong.<ref>https://www.westernjournal.com/ben-shapiro-admits-trump-100-right-100-wrong-latest-report-true/</ref> Even his own co-workers have disagreed with him<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPcJ0qSl0pA</ref> or held differing opinions from him.<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/klavan-networks-are-lying-about-trumps-trade-war-daily-wire</ref> You can do that without [https://www.bitchute.com/video/u36xeZEjna8/ stooping to anti-Semitism or emotionalism], or attempting to humiliate him in front of his wife and children.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQDiPcBWEY</ref> Ben Shapiro is largely right about the groypers,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrWly5uNUI</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge_RUxBTHN4</ref> despite the claims of some.<ref>https://bigleaguepolitics.com/shameful-never-trumper-ben-shapiro-quotes-a-nazi-to-smear-america-first-patriots/</ref> He is not the only one on the right side of this issue.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZTe0WohCuo</ref><ref>https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/very-disturbing-nick-fuentes-and-his-groypers-infiltrated-the-tpusa-event-last-night-and-bashed-gays-and-jews-video/</ref>
  
"Groyper" is an anti-Semitic term signifying the "goys" "groping" the [[Jewish]] establishment.<ref>https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/groyper</ref> The establishment is not, of course, Jewish or [[Zionist]]. Quite the opposite, in fact (see [[The Establishment and Zionism]]).
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I'm all for criticizing [[Breitbart News]], as Nick Fuentes has done. When I heard that Breitbart caved and fired editor Katie McHugh [[Essay: Why I no longer support Breitbart|for criticizing Islam]],[https://www.bizpacreview.com/2017/06/07/just-happened-newly-politically-correct-breitbart-fires-editor-tweet-islam-499698] I opposed and continue to oppose that. If Nick Fuentes' claims are true that Breitbart tried to pressure Congressman [[Paul Gosar]] to disavow him, I oppose that as well. Fuentes is right when he says that Breitbart is no longer relevant and that not very many people read their articles anymore in all likelihood. He's right when he says that part of the explanation is that all the interesting people are gone ([[Steve Bannon|Bannon]], [[Milo Yiannopoulos|Yiannopoulos]], Shapiro). But he's wrong when he says the main problem with Breitbart is that it's run by a [[Jewish]] [[Zionist]].<ref>https://tv.gab.com/channel/officialamericafirst/view/why-are-fox-and-breitbart-writing-60e4b292e73e5aad92db5ce9</ref> I've found [[Joel Pollak]] to be too politically correct at times,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EhuZ5Irwoo</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTdTHT9afI</ref> but that has nothing to do with his Judaism or Zionism. And contrary to what Fuentes maintains, the establishment is not Jewish or Zionist --- quite the opposite, in fact (see [[The Establishment and Zionism]]).
  
When I heard that [[Breitbart News]] caved and fired Zionist[https://dailycaller.com/2014/02/27/convicted-terrorist-who-blew-up-israeli-students-was-once-hired-as-obamacare-navigator/] editor Katie McHugh [[Essay: Why I no longer support Breitbart|for criticizing Islam]],[https://www.bizpacreview.com/2017/06/07/just-happened-newly-politically-correct-breitbart-fires-editor-tweet-islam-499698] I opposed and continue to oppose that. If Ben Shapiro's claims are true that "Sloppy Steve Bannon"[https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/949303089416294401] was fired for being "alt-right adjacent," I oppose Steve Bannon.
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The facts and the truth are all that matter. Disagree with Ben Shapiro on economics, the divinity of Christ, or whether the 2020 election was stolen. Disagree with him on foreign policy or even call him a cuck (even though he really isn't). Don't attack him for condemning arguable bigotry in the form of identity politics for white people and anti-Zionist tangents. If he chooses to condemn that sort of thing, that's his right. That doesn't mean I always agree with Ben Shapiro: sometimes I do, and other times, I disagree with him (see [[Essay:Ben Shapiro's Milquetoastery]]). And I admittedly cringe when TPUSA shills for the [[Federal Reserve]]<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBcnU4qvYcE</ref> and panders to the [[LGBT community]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9_YAK6dU-w</ref> I think they went too far in firing Ashley St. Clair for taking a picture with Nick Fuentes and Baked Alaska.<ref>https://nationalfile.com/tpusa-fires-influencer-at-behest-of-jared-holt/</ref> I think [[Young America's Foundation|YAF]] went too far in cutting ties with [[Michelle Malkin]] for her speech defending Fuentes and the groypers.<ref>https://nationalfile.com/yaf-caves-to-outrage-mob-fires-michelle-malkin-for-supporting-america-first-conservatives/</ref> But I think Malkin went too far as well. She even tried to start a [[Twitter]] brawl with [[Candace Owens]] over [[immigration]].<ref>https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1194298994073182208</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1194308531991859200</ref>
 
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The facts and the truth are all that matter. Disagree with Ben Shapiro on [[trade]], [[theology]], or the [[two-party system]]. Disagree with him on foreign policy (even though I don't) or even call him a cuck (even though he's not). Don't attack him for condemning white nationalism.
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I'm a [[protectionist]]. I'm a [[populist]]. I'm a [[nationalist]]. And I am an anti-establishment anti-racist who opposes both [[globalist]] [[neocon]]s and the far-right.
 
I'm a [[protectionist]]. I'm a [[populist]]. I'm a [[nationalist]]. And I am an anti-establishment anti-racist who opposes both [[globalist]] [[neocon]]s and the far-right.
  
What makes people think that Nick Fuentes is a conservative? During a "Groyper Leadership Summit" that he hosted, which was named to intentionally mock the efforts of Turning Point USA to advance minority communities with their Black Leadership Summits and Jewish Leadership Summits, Fuentes condemned [[individualism]] and [[capitalism]].<ref>https://archive.org/details/groyperleadershipsummitgls2019_20200221</ref>
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Yes, Hunter Avallone is a cuck.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt2Mk6ECe6c] [[Dan Bongino]] is also suspect.[https://nationalfile.com/video-dan-bongino-says-ex-parler-ceo-is-lying-site-absolutely-committed-to-free-speech/][https://tv.gab.com/channel/a/view/andrew-torba-responds-to-dan-bongino-6116c45008520fa71ff506f2] But are you guys really much better?[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rgeBIUpcvI][https://web.archive.org/web/20191118140653/https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1102322920632791040] Some of former President Donald Trump's unhelpful pandering to black Americans was manufactured by [[Jared Kushner]].<ref>https://nationalfile.com/its-always-jared-trump-regrets-trusting-kushner-on-black-outreach-2020-riot-response-report/</ref> But Trump's [[philo-Semitism]] has been well-documented,[https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/presidential-message-international-holocaust-remembrance-day/][https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/presidential-message-international-holocaust-remembrance-day-2/][https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/presidential-message-international-holocaust-remembrance-day-2020/][https://web.archive.org/web/20190816133329/https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1162000480681287683?lang=en][https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/02/leftist_jews_should_quit_lecturing_trump_about_antisemitism.html][https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/president_trump_fulfills_prophecies_and_moves_our_embassy_to_jerusalem.html][https://thehill.com/policy/international/334522-trump-becomes-first-us-president-to-visit-western-wall][https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-just-deported-a-nazi-thats-a-move-i-can-get-behind/2018/08/21/ec1d2d1c-a56d-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html][https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/04/28/california-synagogue-shooting-donald-trump-call-comfort-rabbi/3613078002/][https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1799917/watch-hundreds-of-orthodox-jews-welcome-president-trump-at-fundraiser-in-manhattan-videos.html][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKihbaO0LMs][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swCOG2amu10][https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-rosh-hashanah-national-press-call-jewish-faith-leaders-rabbis/][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB5HE7D6DT0] so don't you dare call yourselves Trump supporters. I will admit that I would not allow my daughter to convert to Judaism in order to marry an Orthodox Jew; attend let alone host Hanukkah celebrations; or constantly surround myself with Jewish people to the extent that Trump does. I'm [[Christian]], and in an ideal world for me, all Jews convert to Christianity. But I never condemned a policy purely because it either intentionally or unintentionally benefited Jews: I don't automatically assume a policy benefits Jews to the detriment of others. I also don't insult Trump every time he has something positive to say about Jews or [[Israel]]. On the other hand, when the former President signed an Executive Order combating anti-Semitism on college campuses,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqeicv7UPUs</ref> the groypers and their sympathizers complained about it.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eni-KPHZ6nM&t=318s</ref><ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/FdbclUSktBw/</ref> One of these guys even told [[Andrew Klavan]] he wanted him and his family to die in a fire for criticizing Nick Fuentes.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-HwgTvcf2Q&t=246s</ref>
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There are definitely legitimate criticisms of Trump, but those have little or nothing to do with Israel. And [[Donald Trump, Jr.]] didn't need to be heckled off the stage by an angry mob.<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/ddZLwc0K0EL4/</ref><ref>https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/11/donald_trump_jr_heckled_and_booed_off_stage_by_america_first_student_activists.html</ref> Nor should Nick Fuentes have been banned from [[YouTube]],<ref>https://reclaimthenet.org/nick-fuentes-banned-youtube/</ref> DLive,<ref>https://redpilled.ca/update-nick-fuentes-vows-to-fight-extremely-painful-legal-battle-against-dlive-for-illegitimately-banning-him-hours-after-the-new-york-times-ran-a-slanderous-hit-piece-on-him/</ref> Twitter, payment processors, kicked out of [[CPAC]],<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1HUHp3O-w&t=697s</ref> or put on a no-fly list like some kind of terrorist. He's not a terrorist. He's an eccentric young man with out-there ideas and erratic behaviour. [[Michael Knowles]] is a critic of Fuentes, but he won't hesitate to condemn the deep state for targeting him.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABJd_-tOXE&t=355s</ref> Good for him. [[Brandon Tatum]], another Fuentes critic, has given him credit for standing up for [[Capitol riot|the January 6 Capitol protesters]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHcfX8adtE&t=1929s</ref> DLive, an alt-tech and supposed pro-free speech platform, has also banned Vincent James,<ref>https://dlive.tv/VincentJames</ref> Baked Alaska,<ref>https://dlive.tv/BakedAlaska</ref> and Owen Benjamin<ref>https://dlive.tv/OwenBenjaminComedy</ref> in the aftermath of January 6. In the past, they banned [[Alex Jones]] and [[InfoWars]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/OfficialDLive/comments/bd5u1t/dlive_censoring_alex_jones_infowars_experiment/</ref> That censorship is wrong, and I have no problem condemning it.
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Occasionally, Zionists need to be called out. In May 2021, a Jewish supremacist Zionist assaulted the chief videographer of Rebel News Mocha Bezirgan without provocation at a pro-Israel rally in Montreal, Canada. As Bezirgan reported the incident to a police officer, other Jewish supremacist Zionists present covered for the attacker, falsely accused Bezirgan of being armed, and made derogatory comments toward Bezirgan based on his ethnicity.<ref>https://www.rebelnews.com/pro-israel_protester_punches_rebel_journalist_during_duelling_montreal_rallies</ref><ref>https://www.rebelnews.com/_it_was_very_unexpected_rebel_journalist_assaulted_during_duelling_israel_palestine_protests_in_montreal</ref> Rebel News thankfully went to bat for Bezirgan. Jewish Zionist Ezra Levant rightly condemned these people,<ref>https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1394025792850518018</ref> as did Zionists David Menzies and Sheila Gunn Reid.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZrPYTJQaDU&t=601s</ref> It isn't difficult for me to say that the behaviour of those protesters was disgusting and despicable.
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If you don't like Israel, that's fine. I have my disagreements with Israel, past (i.e., [https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-lavon-affair the Lavon Affair]) and present (i.e., [https://nationalfile.com/israel-now-forces-citizens-to-get-booster-jabs-every-six-months-or-lose-vaccine-passport/ mandatory COVID-19 booster shots]). There’s nothing wrong with critiquing mass immigration even from a [[demography|demographic]] standpoint. Matt Walsh,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwzeKt-lXjA&t=1916s</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjOMi-lyKtg</ref> Michael Knowles,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJe-RbOW-nQ&t=419s</ref> and even Charlie Kirk<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlI23vc8-_Y&t=423s</ref> have critically addressed the decline in the white population. If you don't want to disavow Nick Fuentes or Michelle Malkin, then don't. If you don't want to support Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk, don't. No-one has a gun to your head, so stop pretending there is. I do find it odd that [[PragerU]] would remove Owen Benjamin's videos since he became a rabid anti-Zionist<ref>https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/comedian-adam-carollas-new-documentary-accidentally-reveals-that-a-lot-of-conservative-free-speech-warriors-are-just-free-speech-tourists/articleshow/73206973.cms</ref> while leaving up the videos by [[Alan Dershowitz]],<ref>https://www.prageru.com/presenters/alan-dershowitz</ref> who has been credibly linked to [[Jeffrey Epstein]].<ref>https://filmdaily.co/obsessions/true-crime/alan-dershowitz-epstein/</ref> No trouble pointing that out. I don't even like [[Dan Crenshaw]] anymore. But when people attack even strong conservatives like The Daily Wire's employees Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Candace Owens, I take issue with that.
  
Yes, Hunter Avallone is a cuck.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt2Mk6ECe6c][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAu7VQguM0U][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvEaqkxEiJE] But are you guys really much better?[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rgeBIUpcvI][https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1102322920632791040] And President [[Donald John Trump]]'s [[philo-Semitism]] has been well-documented,[https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/presidential-message-international-holocaust-remembrance-day/][https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/presidential-message-international-holocaust-remembrance-day-2/][https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/presidential-message-international-holocaust-remembrance-day-2020/][https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1162000480681287683?lang=en][https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/02/leftist_jews_should_quit_lecturing_trump_about_antisemitism.html][https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/president_trump_fulfills_prophecies_and_moves_our_embassy_to_jerusalem.html][https://thehill.com/policy/international/334522-trump-becomes-first-us-president-to-visit-western-wall][https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-just-deported-a-nazi-thats-a-move-i-can-get-behind/2018/08/21/ec1d2d1c-a56d-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html][https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/04/28/california-synagogue-shooting-donald-trump-call-comfort-rabbi/3613078002/][https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1799917/watch-hundreds-of-orthodox-jews-welcome-president-trump-at-fundraiser-in-manhattan-videos.html][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKihbaO0LMs][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swCOG2amu10][https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-rosh-hashanah-national-press-call-jewish-faith-leaders-rabbis/][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB5HE7D6DT0] so don't you dare call yourselves Trump supporters. When President Trump signed an Executive Order combating anti-Semitism on college campuses,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqeicv7UPUs</ref> these people complained about it.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bN7dCHUnDQ</ref><ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/6SpI7SC-yHo/</ref> I had to fight these guys in the chat while Trump was speaking at TPUSA.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ivNjpQrX8&t=4750s</ref> They have issued death threats against [[Andrew Klavan]] and his family for criticizing them.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-HwgTvcf2Q&t=246s</ref> This meme sums it up perfectly.<ref>https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2019/12/21/170423?hpnl=true</ref>
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I side with [[Lauren Witzke]] against [[Ric Grenell]]<ref>https://bigleaguepolitics.com/lauren-witzke-clashes-with-richard-grenell-over-his-promotion-of-transgenderism-con-inc-wants-her-cancelled/</ref> and Karlyn Borysenko<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9zICf5UH-E</ref> even though I don't agree with everything she said. I love Paul Gosar even though I don't like everyone with whom he associates. I agree with Michael Knowles' critiques of Tom MacDonald and Blaire White,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b25lgX1WtNE</ref> and disagree with the backlash he received from nominal opponents of political correctness.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yXJmqijIP0</ref> I've heard that [[homosexual]] Trump supporters have ostracized Bryson Gray,<ref>https://twitter.com/RealBrysonGray/status/1366561435564785667</ref> and if that's true, I fully condemn them for doing so. I oppose homosexuality, [[transgenderism]], and mass immigration.
  
Which side do these "groypers" think the Trump Administration would pick? Donald Trump, Jr. was heckled off the stage by an angry mob of these extremists at an event hosted by TPUSA. President Donald Trump signed a resolution condemning anti-Semitism on university campuses to push back against [[BDS]], and discussed the resolution at an event hosted by TPUSA. [[Sarah Huckabee Sanders]], when she was 11 years old, was taken by her father to Yad Vashem in Israel, where she asked her father why no-one intervened to stop the [[Holocaust]] from occurring, something she discussed at an event hosted by TPUSA.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlITYN-E6H8</ref> As Sanders said, "When good people sit back and don't get involved, bad things happen."
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One of the big problems I have with the groypers is that a lot of them seem to be [[troll]]s. In many cases, they interrupted and antagonized various right-wing events in 2019 instead of asking legitimate questions. That's how Nick Fuentes gets to the point where he's bashing [[Steven Crowder]] for opting out of a debate with [[Sam Seder]] because he was supposed to have it with Ethan Klein.<ref>https://tv.gab.com/channel/officialamericafirst/view/pathetic-debate-me-bros-at-the-60d5d0a028aafc0eb086f763</ref><ref>https://tv.gab.com/channel/officialamericafirst/view/snowflake-steven-crowder-and-others-like-60d87fa43fa6b18f10c21148</ref> Fuentes is unfamiliar with good-faith discussion. So he defends bad-faith discussion. I suppose in his mind, either nothing is done in bad faith, or everything should be done in bad faith. Rather than starting a productive dialogue or sparking interesting conversations, Fuentes makes people angry with him. Then they wrongly reject every position he and the groypers hold. That is, they reject those positions until they gradually realize some of them are correct. Two years later, many right-wingers have adopted stances for which they called the groypers bigoted. I am one example.
  
We have to win this. The future of American conservatism is at stake.
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We all just need to be reasonable.
  
 
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I will call you out if you are a cuck or if you are an extremist. This seems to be a contentious issue.

Nick Fuentes is a white identitarian.[1] While it is interesting that the conservative movement seems to ostracize the white identitarian groypers while tolerating or even promoting the black identitarian "conscious conservatives," neither form of identity politics is truly justified.

Some people seem to be on the wrong side of this one.[2][3] Take Tarl Warwick, who defended Nick Fuentes while attacking Sebastian Gorka[4] and Ben Shapiro.[5] Or take identitarian Faith Goldy, who produced a video for VDARE in support of Nick Fuentes and his defenders that condemned Turning Point USA and the Trump Administration as "Conservative Inc."[6]

This is not establishment vs. anti-establishment. I am very anti-establishment. But these people attack movement conservatives as well as mainstream and establishment conservatives. The Washington Examiner may have forced its employees to get vaccinated against COVID-19 even before Biden announced his federal mandate,[7] but The Daily Wire filed a lawsuit against the Biden Administration challenging the mandate.[8]

I don't have a problem with people who question or criticize the Civil Rights Movement.[9][10] Elijah Schaffer called Abraham Lincoln a globalist,[11] and though I disagree I won't hold it against him. However, I take issue with people who trivialize, downplay, or engage in historical revisionism about the Holocaust. I'm not talking about clear-cut satire, as long as one makes sure the aim of the comedy is to deride neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers. Neither of those labels applies to Nick Fuentes or the famous Canadian anti-lockdown protester Chris Sky, but in the case of the former the satire seemed to be aimed against people who believe that 6,000,000 Jews died during this horrific genocide.[12] Likewise, Chris Sky claimed that this figure originated in the Talmud and that it is unrealistic --- before storming out of the interview by Rebel News' David Menzies having accused the People's Party of Canada and Rebel News itself of being controlled opposition.[13] A historical event with such a monumental toll on a group of people that caused such great collective emotional, physical, and psychological damage is and should be an incredibly sensitive topic. Even VDARE's John Derbyshire reprimanded Fuentes for his nonchalant attitude toward it.[14]

You can disagree with Ben Shapiro on trade[15] or theology.[16] People have respectfully challenged him in those areas, and he has admitted when he has been wrong.[17] Even his own co-workers have disagreed with him[18] or held differing opinions from him.[19] You can do that without stooping to anti-Semitism or emotionalism, or attempting to humiliate him in front of his wife and children.[20] Ben Shapiro is largely right about the groypers,[21][22] despite the claims of some.[23] He is not the only one on the right side of this issue.[24][25]

I'm all for criticizing Breitbart News, as Nick Fuentes has done. When I heard that Breitbart caved and fired editor Katie McHugh for criticizing Islam,[1] I opposed and continue to oppose that. If Nick Fuentes' claims are true that Breitbart tried to pressure Congressman Paul Gosar to disavow him, I oppose that as well. Fuentes is right when he says that Breitbart is no longer relevant and that not very many people read their articles anymore in all likelihood. He's right when he says that part of the explanation is that all the interesting people are gone (Bannon, Yiannopoulos, Shapiro). But he's wrong when he says the main problem with Breitbart is that it's run by a Jewish Zionist.[26] I've found Joel Pollak to be too politically correct at times,[27][28] but that has nothing to do with his Judaism or Zionism. And contrary to what Fuentes maintains, the establishment is not Jewish or Zionist --- quite the opposite, in fact (see The Establishment and Zionism).

The facts and the truth are all that matter. Disagree with Ben Shapiro on economics, the divinity of Christ, or whether the 2020 election was stolen. Disagree with him on foreign policy or even call him a cuck (even though he really isn't). Don't attack him for condemning arguable bigotry in the form of identity politics for white people and anti-Zionist tangents. If he chooses to condemn that sort of thing, that's his right. That doesn't mean I always agree with Ben Shapiro: sometimes I do, and other times, I disagree with him (see Essay:Ben Shapiro's Milquetoastery). And I admittedly cringe when TPUSA shills for the Federal Reserve[29] and panders to the LGBT community.[30] I think they went too far in firing Ashley St. Clair for taking a picture with Nick Fuentes and Baked Alaska.[31] I think YAF went too far in cutting ties with Michelle Malkin for her speech defending Fuentes and the groypers.[32] But I think Malkin went too far as well. She even tried to start a Twitter brawl with Candace Owens over immigration.[33][34]

I'm a protectionist. I'm a populist. I'm a nationalist. And I am an anti-establishment anti-racist who opposes both globalist neocons and the far-right.

Yes, Hunter Avallone is a cuck.[2] Dan Bongino is also suspect.[3][4] But are you guys really much better?[5][6] Some of former President Donald Trump's unhelpful pandering to black Americans was manufactured by Jared Kushner.[35] But Trump's philo-Semitism has been well-documented,[7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20] so don't you dare call yourselves Trump supporters. I will admit that I would not allow my daughter to convert to Judaism in order to marry an Orthodox Jew; attend let alone host Hanukkah celebrations; or constantly surround myself with Jewish people to the extent that Trump does. I'm Christian, and in an ideal world for me, all Jews convert to Christianity. But I never condemned a policy purely because it either intentionally or unintentionally benefited Jews: I don't automatically assume a policy benefits Jews to the detriment of others. I also don't insult Trump every time he has something positive to say about Jews or Israel. On the other hand, when the former President signed an Executive Order combating anti-Semitism on college campuses,[36] the groypers and their sympathizers complained about it.[37][38] One of these guys even told Andrew Klavan he wanted him and his family to die in a fire for criticizing Nick Fuentes.[39]

There are definitely legitimate criticisms of Trump, but those have little or nothing to do with Israel. And Donald Trump, Jr. didn't need to be heckled off the stage by an angry mob.[40][41] Nor should Nick Fuentes have been banned from YouTube,[42] DLive,[43] Twitter, payment processors, kicked out of CPAC,[44] or put on a no-fly list like some kind of terrorist. He's not a terrorist. He's an eccentric young man with out-there ideas and erratic behaviour. Michael Knowles is a critic of Fuentes, but he won't hesitate to condemn the deep state for targeting him.[45] Good for him. Brandon Tatum, another Fuentes critic, has given him credit for standing up for the January 6 Capitol protesters.[46] DLive, an alt-tech and supposed pro-free speech platform, has also banned Vincent James,[47] Baked Alaska,[48] and Owen Benjamin[49] in the aftermath of January 6. In the past, they banned Alex Jones and InfoWars.[50] That censorship is wrong, and I have no problem condemning it.

Occasionally, Zionists need to be called out. In May 2021, a Jewish supremacist Zionist assaulted the chief videographer of Rebel News Mocha Bezirgan without provocation at a pro-Israel rally in Montreal, Canada. As Bezirgan reported the incident to a police officer, other Jewish supremacist Zionists present covered for the attacker, falsely accused Bezirgan of being armed, and made derogatory comments toward Bezirgan based on his ethnicity.[51][52] Rebel News thankfully went to bat for Bezirgan. Jewish Zionist Ezra Levant rightly condemned these people,[53] as did Zionists David Menzies and Sheila Gunn Reid.[54] It isn't difficult for me to say that the behaviour of those protesters was disgusting and despicable.

If you don't like Israel, that's fine. I have my disagreements with Israel, past (i.e., the Lavon Affair) and present (i.e., mandatory COVID-19 booster shots). There’s nothing wrong with critiquing mass immigration even from a demographic standpoint. Matt Walsh,[55][56] Michael Knowles,[57] and even Charlie Kirk[58] have critically addressed the decline in the white population. If you don't want to disavow Nick Fuentes or Michelle Malkin, then don't. If you don't want to support Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk, don't. No-one has a gun to your head, so stop pretending there is. I do find it odd that PragerU would remove Owen Benjamin's videos since he became a rabid anti-Zionist[59] while leaving up the videos by Alan Dershowitz,[60] who has been credibly linked to Jeffrey Epstein.[61] No trouble pointing that out. I don't even like Dan Crenshaw anymore. But when people attack even strong conservatives like The Daily Wire's employees Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Candace Owens, I take issue with that.

I side with Lauren Witzke against Ric Grenell[62] and Karlyn Borysenko[63] even though I don't agree with everything she said. I love Paul Gosar even though I don't like everyone with whom he associates. I agree with Michael Knowles' critiques of Tom MacDonald and Blaire White,[64] and disagree with the backlash he received from nominal opponents of political correctness.[65] I've heard that homosexual Trump supporters have ostracized Bryson Gray,[66] and if that's true, I fully condemn them for doing so. I oppose homosexuality, transgenderism, and mass immigration.

One of the big problems I have with the groypers is that a lot of them seem to be trolls. In many cases, they interrupted and antagonized various right-wing events in 2019 instead of asking legitimate questions. That's how Nick Fuentes gets to the point where he's bashing Steven Crowder for opting out of a debate with Sam Seder because he was supposed to have it with Ethan Klein.[67][68] Fuentes is unfamiliar with good-faith discussion. So he defends bad-faith discussion. I suppose in his mind, either nothing is done in bad faith, or everything should be done in bad faith. Rather than starting a productive dialogue or sparking interesting conversations, Fuentes makes people angry with him. Then they wrongly reject every position he and the groypers hold. That is, they reject those positions until they gradually realize some of them are correct. Two years later, many right-wingers have adopted stances for which they called the groypers bigoted. I am one example.

We all just need to be reasonable.

References

  1. https://tv.gab.com/channel/three_spoons/view/nick-fuentes-white-americans-are-61619c89645a5a7fe897dd5e
  2. https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZIx5Ynd9_Sw/
  3. https://illustratedphilosophy.com/ip152/
  4. https://www.bitchute.com/video/_wZLuDCM4zg/
  5. https://www.bitchute.com/video/JC-QFd1jkYw/
  6. https://www.bitchute.com/video/GuLEC0jTwSnj/
  7. https://thehill.com/homenews/media/565977-washington-examiner-to-require-vaccination-for-employees
  8. https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-the-daily-wire-challenges-biden-administration-vaccine-mandate
  9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H--xP8Xvnd8
  10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omukr2ML8BA&t=909s
  11. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37n6fi7R1uk&t=3198s
  12. https://www.bitchute.com/video/yQ_nzYWTOlY/
  13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdYxBY-69WE
  14. https://vdare.com/posts/from-the-derbyshire-email-bag-groypers-pro-and-con
  15. https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/03/12/debunking-ben-shapiro-tariffs/
  16. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyMCVjIvNnc
  17. https://www.westernjournal.com/ben-shapiro-admits-trump-100-right-100-wrong-latest-report-true/
  18. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPcJ0qSl0pA
  19. https://www.dailywire.com/news/klavan-networks-are-lying-about-trumps-trade-war-daily-wire
  20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQDiPcBWEY
  21. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrWly5uNUI
  22. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge_RUxBTHN4
  23. https://bigleaguepolitics.com/shameful-never-trumper-ben-shapiro-quotes-a-nazi-to-smear-america-first-patriots/
  24. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZTe0WohCuo
  25. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/very-disturbing-nick-fuentes-and-his-groypers-infiltrated-the-tpusa-event-last-night-and-bashed-gays-and-jews-video/
  26. https://tv.gab.com/channel/officialamericafirst/view/why-are-fox-and-breitbart-writing-60e4b292e73e5aad92db5ce9
  27. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EhuZ5Irwoo
  28. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTdTHT9afI
  29. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBcnU4qvYcE
  30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9_YAK6dU-w
  31. https://nationalfile.com/tpusa-fires-influencer-at-behest-of-jared-holt/
  32. https://nationalfile.com/yaf-caves-to-outrage-mob-fires-michelle-malkin-for-supporting-america-first-conservatives/
  33. https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1194298994073182208
  34. https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1194308531991859200
  35. https://nationalfile.com/its-always-jared-trump-regrets-trusting-kushner-on-black-outreach-2020-riot-response-report/
  36. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqeicv7UPUs
  37. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eni-KPHZ6nM&t=318s
  38. https://www.bitchute.com/video/FdbclUSktBw/
  39. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-HwgTvcf2Q&t=246s
  40. https://www.bitchute.com/video/ddZLwc0K0EL4/
  41. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/11/donald_trump_jr_heckled_and_booed_off_stage_by_america_first_student_activists.html
  42. https://reclaimthenet.org/nick-fuentes-banned-youtube/
  43. https://redpilled.ca/update-nick-fuentes-vows-to-fight-extremely-painful-legal-battle-against-dlive-for-illegitimately-banning-him-hours-after-the-new-york-times-ran-a-slanderous-hit-piece-on-him/
  44. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1HUHp3O-w&t=697s
  45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABJd_-tOXE&t=355s
  46. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHcfX8adtE&t=1929s
  47. https://dlive.tv/VincentJames
  48. https://dlive.tv/BakedAlaska
  49. https://dlive.tv/OwenBenjaminComedy
  50. https://www.reddit.com/r/OfficialDLive/comments/bd5u1t/dlive_censoring_alex_jones_infowars_experiment/
  51. https://www.rebelnews.com/pro-israel_protester_punches_rebel_journalist_during_duelling_montreal_rallies
  52. https://www.rebelnews.com/_it_was_very_unexpected_rebel_journalist_assaulted_during_duelling_israel_palestine_protests_in_montreal
  53. https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1394025792850518018
  54. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZrPYTJQaDU&t=601s
  55. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwzeKt-lXjA&t=1916s
  56. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjOMi-lyKtg
  57. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJe-RbOW-nQ&t=419s
  58. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlI23vc8-_Y&t=423s
  59. https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/comedian-adam-carollas-new-documentary-accidentally-reveals-that-a-lot-of-conservative-free-speech-warriors-are-just-free-speech-tourists/articleshow/73206973.cms
  60. https://www.prageru.com/presenters/alan-dershowitz
  61. https://filmdaily.co/obsessions/true-crime/alan-dershowitz-epstein/
  62. https://bigleaguepolitics.com/lauren-witzke-clashes-with-richard-grenell-over-his-promotion-of-transgenderism-con-inc-wants-her-cancelled/
  63. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9zICf5UH-E
  64. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b25lgX1WtNE
  65. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yXJmqijIP0
  66. https://twitter.com/RealBrysonGray/status/1366561435564785667
  67. https://tv.gab.com/channel/officialamericafirst/view/pathetic-debate-me-bros-at-the-60d5d0a028aafc0eb086f763
  68. https://tv.gab.com/channel/officialamericafirst/view/snowflake-steven-crowder-and-others-like-60d87fa43fa6b18f10c21148