Talk:Abner Louima
Rectum penetrated with a broomstick is not sexual assault. --Jpatt 16:51, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
- What would you classify it as? In NYC it was viewed as a form of prison rape, but committed by the officer instead of an inmate. --DinsdaleP 16:53, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
- Jpatt- that's nonsense. Granted, the officer did not place his penis in Louima's anus or mouth, or vice-versa, but it's not exactly the same as a heavy beating, is it? Penetration of any bodily orifice under duress is a sexual assault. BenHur 17:03, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
- You want to call it nonsense, fine with me. If you think that the cop was getting his rocks off, then it is sexual assault. If a knife was placed in his rectum, would it still be called sexual? Maybe someone should pull up the charges the cop was booked with, just to be accurate.--Jpatt 17:09, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
- Jpatt, you're making the classic association of rape and sodomy with crimes driven by sexual desire, when they actually crimes of violence, intimidation, an dehumanization of the victim. While the Federal charges were for civil rights violations and obstruction of justice, the news accounts at the time described the broomstick assault as an incident of sodomy, not assault. --DinsdaleP 17:16, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
- Than I stand corrected. I can admit to being wrong.--Jpatt 17:18, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
- You're respected for being open to other view, Jpatt - thanks. --DinsdaleP 17:32, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
- Than I stand corrected. I can admit to being wrong.--Jpatt 17:18, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
- Jpatt, you're making the classic association of rape and sodomy with crimes driven by sexual desire, when they actually crimes of violence, intimidation, an dehumanization of the victim. While the Federal charges were for civil rights violations and obstruction of justice, the news accounts at the time described the broomstick assault as an incident of sodomy, not assault. --DinsdaleP 17:16, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
- You want to call it nonsense, fine with me. If you think that the cop was getting his rocks off, then it is sexual assault. If a knife was placed in his rectum, would it still be called sexual? Maybe someone should pull up the charges the cop was booked with, just to be accurate.--Jpatt 17:09, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
"Becoming Very Rich"
BHarlan, in case you didn't read the accounts of the Louima incident at the jailhouse in detail, he was taken to a back room, had his hands cuffed behind his back, and was then repeatedly hit and kicked. He was then sodomized by having a broomstick violently shoved into his rectum, and then shoved into his mouth. The rectal assault caused a torn bladder and intestine, which required several surgeries to repair the damage. He also had several teeth broken when the blood-and-feces-covered broomstick was rammed into his mouth. I find it offensive and against the values of this project to portray this incident as if he suffered a minor inconvenience and was awarded a windfall for his troubles. --DinsdaleP 17:32, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
