Talk:Alcoholics Anonymous
The older version of this was incorrect and directly contradicted AAs literature. It took about 1 minute to find the correct information at their website.Associate 12:22, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
- I think its a complete crock for AA to try and pretend it isn't a Christian organization. For the love of you know who, they use the capital form of God in their steps.
- So what if it is a Christian organization? Does that somehow mean the help they have provided to millions of individuals and their families should be invalidated? --Tom.Insley 13:01, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
- I'm not too up to speed on this, but don't Jews and Muslims refer to God as well? I know they have other names they use (Yaweh, Allah), but I think God is used too. --Colest 13:05, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
- AA doesn't "pretend" to anything. It clearly states its goals. It has an inherent bias toward a "higher power", and if you don't believe in one of those, you don't have to join.Associate 13:34, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
- I said its crock for them to pretend NOT to be Christian, not for them to BE Christian. And I think when you see "God" and "Him" written like that, and not "god" we're referring to the God of Christianity exclusively. Yes, Allah and Yaweh are the same deity, but for some reason they are not all included in the term "God."--Elamdri 13:38, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
- I think that's just your own personal interpretation of it. You are never going to see someone refer to Allah as "god", but more likely as "God". Even the Islam and Judaism articles here use a capitalized God. I imagine AA takes the non-denominational stance in order to attract and help as many people as they can. --Colest 13:45, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
- You are probably right about the capitalization issue. I usually only think Christianity specifically because Islam and Judaism both have a name for God. You don't see Christians running around saying "Praise 'I Am'." I guess you are right, and thats just my own personal interpretation. However, I have a feeling that when we're speaking about AA, its more likely than not that God is being referenced in the Christian sense. I of course could be wrong.--Elamdri 15:28, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
- I think that's just your own personal interpretation of it. You are never going to see someone refer to Allah as "god", but more likely as "God". Even the Islam and Judaism articles here use a capitalized God. I imagine AA takes the non-denominational stance in order to attract and help as many people as they can. --Colest 13:45, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
- I said its crock for them to pretend NOT to be Christian, not for them to BE Christian. And I think when you see "God" and "Him" written like that, and not "god" we're referring to the God of Christianity exclusively. Yes, Allah and Yaweh are the same deity, but for some reason they are not all included in the term "God."--Elamdri 13:38, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
Well, I'd agree, AA probably isn't a program for hard-core atheists. BTW, Please see HaShem and Tetragrammaton.Associate 17:34, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
- AA is compatible with Christianity, so you are correct in that if they pretended it was non-Christian they would be wrong. However, it is so non-denominational that it forgoes any mention of salvation, let alone the Trinity. Thus it is also compatible with Judaism.
- step 3 on the AA website document HERE has the phrase "God as we understood Him." (italic in original) leaves denomination and even religion pretty wide open Markr 13:00, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Copyright
AA is fussy about whom they allow to reprint their material. Even though we can claim fair use, I wonder if need to ask Andy to send them a polite letter inquiring about the best way to handle our desire to quote the 12 Steps. --Ed Poor Talk 12:55, 3 December 2008 (EST)
On "Character and Morality" - AA's primary purpose is to stay sober and to help other alcoholics to achive soberiety. There is no such "goal" to redefine alcholism or promote a particular perception of it. It is wrong to cite someone else's opinion and claim that is a tenet of the organization. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RYoung (talk)
