Talk:Barack Hussein Obama

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Who here would mind Obama as president?

I'll admit it, i am a moderate on the conservative slanted site. Be as my politcal views span both sides, i am hoping for Obama to win the election. I'm sure that some people here have criticisms of him, some of which may even be valid. So have at it people: Why not Obama, the man sent to lead America to greatness?--Fpresjh 20:10, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

I must remind you, this is a conservative encyclopedia. most conservatives can't handle the idea of a black man as superior to them! GodlessLiberal 21:09, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

No right-thinking people could possible support having a black as President, let alone in their neighborhood. GodisGreat 15:27, 21 March 2007 (PST).

I think it would be great if he won, I can't stand Hilary...--Flax+ 21:32, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

I'm one of the most liberal people I know... and I cannot stand the woman. GodlessLiberal 21:35, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

In that case, get to those primaries and vote (especially if you live in Iowa or NH). I believe that there are worthy candidates on the Republicans as well, but i want to ensure the best man for the job gets the democratic nomination.--Fpresjh 23:26, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

To be honest... He would be better than that anti-video gaming fascist. No offense to anybody. --Eiyuu Kou 23:27, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Personally, I feel Obama may be too inexperienced for the job. However, I still would like to see him elected. In reality, the president doesn't need to be very smart or experienced to BE president. He has a Cabinet of advisors and a whole staff to make decisions for him. Ergo, Obama doesn't really NEED the experience. He's plenty smart enough, and he come off as highly educated and eloquent. Really though, what makes him a good candidate is that he is well liked. What we need right now is a president who is willing to go around to all the European countries we have angered and make kissy-face with them, thus patching up our foreign policy. Hillary isn't going to do that, and I doubt a Republican president would. If we don't get our foreign policy out of the toilet, I think we're going to be in a lot of trouble soon.--Elamdri 23:32, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

That reminds me of Bush Jr... --Eiyuu Kou 23:34, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
I agree completely!


From this article: He is black, and no black person has ever held such responsibility. Also, his first name sounds like Osama, and his middle name is Hussein, calling to mind the two most evil terrorists of modern times someone's white hood is showing . . . Godman 17:47, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Aiming to denouce a candidate on the basis of his name, and not his stances on issues or character seems like a pretty poor way to choose the next president. Do people really think the informed voter (aka people who actually end up voting) are going to say "well, i like the guy and what he stands for, but his name just isn't doing it for me. I'll go with Nader instead." I think not.--Fpresjh 15:37, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

  • This article needs to be cleaned up, and fast. We must practice more professionalism and objectiveness. Wikipedialol 20:59, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

From the Wikipedia entry, one could sculpt it into becoming more of a Conservative point-of-view. --Eiyuu Kou 14:15, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

I'm actually of the opinion that the pragmatic audience of this site will think something like: there is no way I'm voting for a negro. As is evidenced in this article. the founder of conservapedia's Jesus was clearly lily white and 'merican. I truly beleive they should not call themselves Christian or conservative and they certainly shouldn't call this an encyclopedia. What in the hell is he teaching those kids?00:06, 22 March 2007 (EDT)


Can't we get a better source for his voting record than an opinion piece? Myk 02:12, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

  • You can't turn a pigs ear into a silk purse dude......he doesn't have much of one. --~ TerryK MyTalk 05:27, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
I'm not saying how to judge his voting record, I'm saying that an opinion piece doesn't merit a good source. A good rule of thumb is that if there's a little picture next to an article, it's a column or an opinion piece, not an article. Myk 17:51, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

Now that flew right over my head...I even heard the air noise! --~ TerryK MyTalk 19:50, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

  1. I asked for people who were going to discuss his voting record to use an actual source, not an opinion piece as it is now
  2. You made a joke about his lack of a voting record
  3. I said that wasn't what I was talking about, I was talking about sources. Columns, op-eds, editorials are not sources. Myk 20:26, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Oh, okay, so my cracking a joke meant I didn't understand what you meant, and might have distracted the readers, so they wouldn't know either? Got it. --~ TerryK MyTalk 09:30, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
From the ass' butt to it's mouth, for last session. -- Crackertalk 09:39, 4 April 2007 (EDT)


Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style/Politicians - Myk 02:18, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

Breaking News!!!!

Barack has just raised 25 million dollars for his campaign making his in competiton with Hiliary Clinton!! [http:// million!!!!]

Controversial ?

Why is Barack Obama's biographical entry a "controversial" topic for Conservapedia, and locked out from editing?

Because people who don't feel like contributing useful information see fit to compare his name to those of terrorists. GodlessLiberal 20:42, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
It was vandalized twice in 48 hours. I asked for it to be unlocked. Myk 20:43, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
OK. It look presentable. I left in the material about how liberal he is, though I doubt its value. At least it looks nice. Myk 01:44, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
  • The political leanings of any politician are the most important of all. Their stated goals mean nothing, their idealogy everything. --~ Sysop-TerryK MyTalk 01:57, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

I don't disagree, but I doubt the veracity of saying X is Y more liberal than Z. Liberalness is not a quanitfiable value. There are better ways to describe his political agenda than by saying "look who he is more liberal than." Myk 01:59, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Well, Myk, it's your MSM who does it, the Liberal news organizations, lol. --~ Sysop-TerryK MyTalk 02:01, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
I don't know if I'd call the National Journal, a publication with an almost $2000 per year subscription rate, mainstream. I tend to avoid it when I hear it, just as I tend to avoid editorial commentary. A far better judge of whether or not a candidate fits your bill is to look issue by issue. And it may be the "Main Stream Media" that started it, but it was the Rocky Mountain News which reported it (in a column) and Conservapedia who repeated it. Myk 02:21, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
How is this locked? I can still edit this. Maybe that's because i have proven myself in being able to see Obama for the wonderous person he really is. Or not (since i may get banned for a comment like that, him being a non-conservative)--Fpresjh 01:13, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
Things change on a wiki, dude. It got unlocked. Myk 09:47, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Goofy Article

I understand that B.O. hits a lot of people's hot buttons, but this article is a mess. "half-African, half-Caucasian"? What's up with that? Why not use the generally-accepted and perfectly accurate term "African-American"? Or ditch it altogether, unless we're going to start classifying all politicos by race/ethnicity ("Irish-Caucasoid Ted Kennedy", or "Texan-American George Bush"). Better still, ignore the race issue until it is relevant to the article ("Obama is the the first African-American to...").

Too, do we really need three sentences establishing Obama's exact degree of liberlosity? Can't we just say "liberal Democrat", or just describe his positions ("show, don't tell").--WJThomas 11:36, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

  • I took all that away once, have been overruled by another Sysop, evidently. I changed it back once, to African-American, but some felt it important to note he was Mulatto. An archaic term, if ever there was one. Mixed-race would be acceptable today. --~ Sysop-TerryK MyTalk 02:00, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Michael Richards and Jimmy the Greek

Why are we discussing Michael Richards (not Kramer by the way) and Jimmy the Greek (real name Jimmy Snyder) on Barack Obama's page? The Boston Globe criticized him, black leaders criticized him... that's relevant. Imus' career and the issues surround Richards and Snyder are not. I would change this myself but it was protected again. Myk 13:02, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

And while it's still off topic here, it might be pertinent for the Don Imus article to note that CBS Radio suspended him for two weeks, not a few affiliates. Myk 13:07, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
TK, please tell me where Obama's intellect vs. the intellect of civil rights leaders is mentioned in the source. And please tell me why refering to the old civil rights era is not redundant as the civil rights era is generally considered to be the era of MLK, Malcolm X, and Rosa Parks. That's already old, TK. Myk 16:47, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
Perhaps to you, perhaps to me, but not necessarily to readers. Our "job" is to make things clear for them, not us. I think my change to old-guard makes it much clearer. Your additions were borderline denigration, to Hill's advantage, I would say. --~ TK MyTalk 16:50, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
So this is a wiki. We create a link for Civil Rights Era and then we make the article. His disconnection from Civil Rights figures is well publicized, just google Sharpton AND Obama. Or Obama AND black AND enough. Never is his intellect brought up. That's your opinion and is not sourced. I have no reason to want to support Hillary Clinton. Never been a fan. Myk 16:57, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Someone reading his curriculum vitae cannot escape his intellect, no? Since we currently have in place a "Civil Rights" leadership, it isn't necessairly old, is it? Jackson and Sharpton (both bigots, IMO) are from the old-guard civil rights era, and that is germain, is it not, since Obama's age was brought into the argument? Are you really incensed at that one word addition, which is sourced by the rest of the page, or that it was me adding to it? I will be happy to add a cite for what you consider an assumption, later today. --~ TK MyTalk 17:02, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
I just think it's redundant. His disconnect is with the era. He was too young to participate in it and as he is not a descendant of slaves, he is considered to not be a part of the CRE culture. As for the intellect thing, that has no part of his disconnection. You are either saying Obama is smarter or stupider than Civil Rights Leaders, something of which you have no proof. Myk 17:09, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Myk, the "proof" that Obama is "smarter" is in the public record, IMO. Disconnect is a pejorative word, used by reporter and political scum to smear people without appearing to overtly do so. Did you not know that? --~ TK MyTalk 17:12, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
    • I read the article to say Obama wants to be known as a "national leader", not a "Black leader", to paraphrase moreless. Hence a sort of parting of the ways with traditional well known "Black civil rights leaders", so to speak. RobS 17:24, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
Agreed. He views things, seemingly, unlike the older leaders, as not just black and white issues. Obviously due to his age, upbringing in a multi-cultural society, and his education....--~ TK MyTalk 17:29, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
Still, by referring to leadership in quotes, and comparing their intellect unfavorably to Obama's you are painting a whole bunch of folks with a wide pejorative brush. Jackson and Sharpton are not representative of the whole of the CRE activists. And, of course, the Obama entry is not the appropriate place for a broadside against JJ, AS, and so forth.--WJThomas 17:38, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Agreed, WJT, however they are allowed/painted/claimed to be "the leaders" both in the press and educational circles. --~ TK MyTalk 17:44, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
    • This is indeed an important point, Obama's greatest fear is being marginalized as just another "Black leader"; he's counting on what Republicans call the 'color blind society" to elevate him as an equal, respected national figure and leader. RobS 17:48, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
Well he certainly has my attention and support in doing that, and ridding us at long last of the hobgoblins of the past, and wresting the power away from the merchants of fear and hate. --~ TK MyTalk 17:50, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

Another take

Let me give a gut instinct on Obama, he's probably running for VP, which is a mistake. His problem is, if he doesn't win the whole prize, which is a long shot right now, no one will ever take him serious again. He will not be viable in 2012 or ever after. (Just as Edwards doesn't have a prayer, or Gary Hart, etc. Candidates really have a short shelf life). You can't run on failure. I think he's in now for the following reason:

Both parties recognize a young person's poltical views are molded by parents & teachers, but not really hardened until they reach about age 25. So between 18-25 they are still approachable and winnable. Once they turn about 25, whatever party reaches them has a voter then for life--for the next 40 or 50 years. So there is always this sort of outreach to younger voters, to get their interest, enthusiasm, and commitment. I think Obama (a) knows he being used this way with the prospect of being a VP candidate for Hillary (b) doesn't mind the prospect that he will never get elected President in 2008 or ever after that by agreeing to this scheme. But he is getting rewarded. Ultimately in the end though, he will disappoint his followers by being a failure, which of course can always be blamed on America's entrenched racist attitudes, and everyones's a victim.

This is how the game of politics is played. RobS 17:52, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

I don't think he's running for VP. I think even being elected for VP would marginalize the accomplishment. And he's certainly not fundraising like a VP. Myk 17:53, 11 April 2007 (EDT)