- 1 No Room For Unsubstantiated Claims
- 2 About Canada
- 3 Marijuana
- 4 Canada's Response to SARS
- 5 Top 10 places to live in the world
- 6 Human Trafficking
- 7 Silliness in this entry
- 8 previously reverted edits
- 9 Sea to sea not from the bible
- 10 Canada's Economy
- 11 culture and education
- 12 Canadian Healthcare
- 13 style points
- 14 In the spirit of the main page...
No Room For Unsubstantiated Claims
Why is it necessary for me to keep correcting the work of vandals? This page is not for comparing Canada to the United States. This is a page for reporting facts about the country. If I was so inclined, I could come up with some really nice things to say about Canada that make us look much better than the United States- but I don't. It's people that come in here and try to drag down my country that make their country look bad. Lose the attitude of superiority. This is not "An American Site". This is a wiki which is open to users around the world. If this site is to gain credibility, then it has to be balanced. --TrueGrit 23:44, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
This is an encyclopedic entry on Canada. This not a page designed to highlight how the US is better than Canada. Please take your heads out of your hind quarters. --TrueGrit 12:44, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
On the subject of Canada exporting pot to the US, I don't see the big deal. It is fair to include that, as it is something that we aim to improve. You say we supply your 5% like its a bad thing? --TrueGrit 23:44, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
You should have seen waht was there before I softened it up a little. Jacobin 00:11, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
Canada's Response to SARS
Comparisons of the incidence of SARS in different jurisdictions is problematic, because it depends on health care professionals diagnosing the illness. In the US, for example, an unknown respiratory illness was reported which might have been diagnosed as SARS in Ontario. In fact, no real diagnosis of a "syndrome" can be made, because a syndrome is merely a collection of symptoms. Only when a virus or other cause is identified can a true diagnosis be made. The best known example of this is AIDS, which was later found to be caused by HIV infection.
During the epidemic, Chinese and American health officials may have wished to minimize its perceived gravity, while Toronto officials were more concerned with containing the actual illness. At the same time, the Canadian and Ontario governments largely ignored the problem, which they saw as a local matter.
The main article implies that Canada had a higher mortality rate for SARS because of its public health care system. While that is an interesting hypothesis, it would be helpful if the writer could provide a comparison of the treatment given to SARS victims to show how improved care in Ontario's hospitals could have improved the rate.
- I agree whole heartedly. However, the problem we are left with is that what is there now is a compromise from the original contribution. A very bitter user contributed a handful of sections that made Canada look like the worst country in the world to live, and was rife with tabloidization. We need more editors to squeeze out those with fuzzy logic. --TrueGrit 15:44, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
The Sars section should be removed. It is one of the least relevant things about Canada or even Toronto. It's not topical. I'm sure even Torontonians have forgoten about it.
Top 10 places to live in the world
We really need a citation for that. According to whom? A travel magazine? The UN? DanH 18:51, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
I do not believe that this fits in the article on Canada. It provides no information on Canada as a country, it just highlights some opportunities for improvement. It's not something that anyone would allow done to an article on the United States, so why allow it here? --TrueGrit 15:46, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
Silliness in this entry
Why is it that most of the recent changes in this article have been people adding foolishness, malarkey, and drivel? That people like Crocoite, TK, Fox, Karajou, and RobS have had to devote so much time to repairing this article (and kudos to them for doing so) is particularly frustrating when you consider that there are still no entries for the NWT, Nunavut and most of the provincial capitals. As well, most of the articles about the provinces are quite minimal and need to be augmented. In addition, there is virtually no mention on Canada's significant contributions to WWI and WWII in those articles. There is lots of work to be done here so if you are thinking of vandalizing an entry out of boredom or a desire to see your name in print, why not channel that energy into posting something productive? --Regulas 07:57, 6 June 2007
- Excellent comment Regulas. From your entry above, it appears you could make a significant contribution to this article and I encourage you to do so. Crocoite Talk 10:24, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
previously reverted edits
I was curious: I am a Canadian, and so I thought it might be interesting to read this article. I came across a small problem, being from Montreal. I noticed that the article accuses Canada of having lower standards of education indirectly, quoting McGill's grading scheme - which happens to be unusual in Canada. Most of the schools in Canada follow a grading system identical to or similar to the U.S. system (which is not cited), and McGill also does not pass a student with a D, which makes the effective failing grade 54%, which is minimally different from the U.S.'s 59%. I recommend that this particular passage be removed, as it is highly misleading. May I remove it? I do not want to be accused of vandalism or of arbitrarily removing information. Nihiltres 23:33, 14 September 2007 (EDT)
- LOL...I don't think you actually have to walk on eggs so gingerly, Nihiltres! Please make common sense edits, and cite your material properly, and there won't be a problem. If there is, please let me know. I do suggest, coming from a family that has many teachers, that 54% verses 59% isn't what any teacher would call minimal. In that 5% of difference are how many students? I am merely trying to point out things that people take for granted saying on WP, won't skate here, in our Conservative world. --şŷŝôρ-₮KṢρёаќǃ 00:57, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
- I'm sure that there's good reason to make the change, just I'm not sure how to find a source for what would seem to be a norm - people do not usually write news reports saying that "life is normal." I'll try to find a couple of sources for the correction, perhaps using the grading schemes of other schools. As for walking on eggs, I plan to do that while here - offending Conservapedians is the last thing that I want, as it reinforces negative feelings where cooperation and friendliness might otherwise reign. I think that if Conservapedians want a problem on Wikipedia fixed, commenting on the talk page with a courteous explanation of the problem might prove effective at solving many problems of bias or correcting factual inaccuracies. The Golden Rule is what I have in mind here. :) Nihiltres 11:07, 15 September 2007 (EDT)
There actually is no "Canadian grading system" because, as the article points out, education is a provincial responsibility. In fact it varies among institutions within individual provinces. Generally speaking, institutions with lower grades required to pass have higher marking standards. An example is that passing grades at community colleges are usually higher than at universities. --The Four Deuces 17:02, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
Sea to sea not from the bible
In none of the references of this article is it claimed the origin of the expression "sea to sea" is grounded in the bible, thus I have modified this line.
"The country's motto is "A Mari Usque Ad Mare", or "From Sea to Sea" (taken from Psalm 72:8 - "He shall have dominion from sea to sea.") "
"The country's motto is "A Mari Usque Ad Mare"
Qc 16:57, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Actually, it is, Canada's Motto is based on "From Sea to Sea" from Psalm 72:8. (See http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/sc-cs/arm2_e.cfm) There was a Private Member's Bill in 2006 (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/03/10/northern-motto060310.html) to change it to "From Sea to Sea to Sea" (That is the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic Ocean's that proposed a change, but it did not pan out, like most Private Member's bills.
I would suggest we change it back, but I'll add the reference from the Canadian Heritage Website. --Thornhiller 19:38, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
Why isn't there any mention of its nominal gdp ? it's close to 1.5 trillion dollars, between Spain and Brazil. ppp gdp is good to use when you're comparing the economies of poor countries to rich countries but it's not realistic. What makes more sense, Iran's economy is the same size as Australia's, or it's much smaller than Denmark's ?
culture and education
The section on education grade scales is incorrect, it is up to individual schools, and universites to decide their own grade scales. Also, how is stating Canada doesn't do well in the summer olympics relevant to our culture?
Is this meant to be a joke? I'm not sure exactly where you're getting these figures for wait times, but as a former administrative employee in a Montreal hospital, I can most assuredly say that the figures are not in the least bit accurate. Non critical surgeries do have wait times, but they are substantially less than the "four to eight months" this article claims. Critical life threatening surgeries are seen to immediately.
Non surgical care (which is not mentioned in this article yet of great importance) is also leaps and bounds above established private services. My grandmother, who is currently 98 years of age, has broken her hip twice in the past five years and received an outstanding level of care from hospitals (free service), care homes (also free), physiotherapists (once more, free) and social caretakers who go to her house (you guessed it, free)both times.
In addition, the cost and availability of pharmaceutical products is not discussed. Medicines essential to life are freely distributed at hospitals, prescription medications are available at pharmacies for a nominal service charge (which is rarely far above 20$ in my experience), whereas over the counter drugs are readily available at prices equal to other First World nations.
I would ask that this article be improved and the facts straightened out, because this sounds very much like a broken Ronald Regan recording. MrCrawford 14:27, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
- If you have good sources for what you stated, you are welcome to make improvements. Karajou 14:29, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
I used The Canadian Style, item 2.16 for the plural of "lieutenant governor" Canuck 23:49, 1 November 2008 (EDT)
In the spirit of the main page...
Should we add a section on "Canadians and uncharitableness"? ;)--DReynolds 10:17, 14 January 2009 (EST)