Talk:Debate:Counterexamples to relativity points

There is already an essay that treats this topic.--JoeyJ 18:06, 31 May 2015 (EDT)

I sympathize with the issue you are raising. I really do. It's clear from your editing in general that you are trying to reduce the chaos that abounds here (and in any wiki in the real world.) You are doing that here, your are doing it with categories, and you are doing it with the deletion of obsolete pages. This is a laudable goal. But (you knew the next sentence would begin with "but", didn't you?  :-) ) you can't really rid the place of chaos.

These two pages (this one and the "rebuttal" page) serve two very different goals. This page is obviously a very general discussion page for people wanting to debate things in a conversational manner. That's all well and good. The "rebuttal" page is very different—it is a very formal and proper rebuttal of the "counterexamples" page itself. It strongly discourages informal discussion. The "counterexamples" and "rebuttal" pages are kept in accurate point-by-point correlation with each other by their respective stewards (Andy in one case, me in the other.)

So the two pages serve very different purposes and need to be kept separate. Of course, if you want to put in links connecting the two, that would be fine, as in "For an informal discussion/debate on this topic, see Essay_-_Counterexamples_to_relativity_points". But I also note that this "points" page hasn't been touched in over 3 years. People have apparently lost interest and moved on. Does that mean that it should be deleted? You can delete it if you think that would improve the wiki, but I would advise against it. It is part of the historical record of Conservapedia. People should be able to see how the controversy and debate evolved.

This page has a couple of other problems—it has "essay" in the title, but it isn't actually in the "essay" space. The person creating it apparently didn't understand the subtle issues involved there. Also, the page goes on at length about points and counterpoints and rebuttals and objections and so on, without making clear what whether a given point or objection is pro-relativity or anti-relativity. Bad organization. That may have contributed to the demise of the page.

Anyway, I'd suggest just leaving the page. Chaos.

I also need to discuss categories with you. I will bring it up on your talk page.

SamHB 19:44, 31 May 2015 (EDT)

• I suggest that this page should be moved to Debate:Counterexamples to relativity points.--JoeyJ 04:25, 1 June 2015 (EDT)