Difference between revisions of "Talk:Donald Trump achievements: Gun rights"

Revision as of 02:26, September 15, 2019

1 Rolling back regulations
- 1.1 Faster approval process
2 Gun export rules
3 Bad appointments
4 Buying surplus 1911 pistols
5 National reciprocity
6 Trump's statements on gun rights/control
7 Gun control pivot?
- 7.1 Total surrender
- 7.2 Second Amendment support
8 3D-printed guns: potential achievement
- 8.1 Caving again to the Left?
- 8.2 Wording
9 Guns in schools
10 Gun sales statistics
11 UN Treaty withdrawal
12 Appointments
13 Other gun actions

Rolling back regulations

Republicans are trying to roll back gun regulations in their 2018 appropriations bill. We'll see whether this attempt will succeed.[1] --1990'sguy (talk) 23:51, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

Faster approval process

The DOJ is trying to get funding so it can speed up the approval process for citizens to get suppressors and other gun-related accessories that have been regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934: [2] There is a growing backlog, probably because more people are buying the accessories regulated under this law. Regardless, it would be better if Congress votes to repeal the law outright. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:25, 16 March 2018 (EDT)

Gun export rules

The Trump Administration is reportedly preparing to relax U.S. gun export rules.[3][4][5] Hopefully, this will happen, and I will try to follow this. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:46, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

It seems the Trump Administration will soon act on this, though the current proposal appears to be different from the one originally reported: [6][7][8] Both seem like improvements to the current policy. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:51, 8 January 2018 (EST)

Another article on it: [9] --1990'sguy (talk) 23:21, 21 February 2018 (EST)

The Trump Administration is also reportedly going to make it easier to export lethal drones to U.S. allies, which I mention here because it's described as the first phase of the arms export rules changes: [10] --1990'sguy (talk) 09:03, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

Yet another article on this: [11] They keep saying over and over again that the changes are still being finalized and are almost ready to go into effect, but it's taking forever. It feels like the NSC continues to drag its heels. Hopefully, Bolton will speed this up. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:35, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

This article is interesting: [12] As of 2017, U.S. arms export levels have risen back to Cold War levels and are double that of Russia's. This is good news, since it's good for the economy and even diplomacy -- hopefully, the NSC will stop dragging its heels and move forward with the less strict export rules. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:25, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

Good -- it looks like the relaxed export rules will become official as early as tomorrow: [13] It may be better to add this in another sub-article, like the trade, economy, or even foreign policy or national security articles (or all/some of them). --1990'sguy (talk) 12:02, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

Opening up the export of firearms does seem like a good move, but I find the idea of selling more advanced armaments a bit more concerning. Guns themselves are basically high-tech cannons. There really isn't much to it, and you can make a shoddy one in your basement if you wanted to. It's the high-tech stuff I worry about.

Exports are always good for the economy, but if we go selling some of our best military equipment more freely, there is no way to get back that intellectual property. It's out there, and our current and future enemies have a better chance of learning how our stuff is made, and countering or reproducing it. Of course, China just outright steals the designs, but almost everyone else must do it the old-fashioned way: reverse engineering. I hope we still keep a tight control on who gets this military hardware. The last thing we need is the Kim dynasty to get F-22s, for example. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DavidB4 (talk)

Good point. It seems (unless I misread the policy) that the proposal shifted from guns to more high-tech weapons, which I'm not very enthusiastic about. Oh well. In other (related) news, several reports discussed increased U.S. interest in foreign events in order to promote its weapons products: [14][15] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:52, 20 April 2018 (EDT)

More on this: [16][17] --1990'sguy (talk) 00:07, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

Some more interesting articles on this.1,2 There has been some news on this new policy today, and I'll add it soon. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:55, 16 July 2018 (EDT)

Some more sources: 1,2,3 --1990'sguy (talk) 09:44, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

Even more sources: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 22:14, 11 November 2018 (EST)

Bad appointments

Dean Winslow, the Trump Administration's nominee for Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs, voiced support for banning assault rifles, something which goes against the Second Amendment right to keep and bear guns, especially military-grade guns (protection against a tyrannical govt., John Locke, historical context, etc.). Not related to guns, this nominee also supports having the DoD pay for certain abortions.[18][19][20][21] I hope this nomination fails. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:26, 7 November 2017 (EST)

The Senate Armed Services Committee will not move forward with the nominee, at least for the time being.[22] While I don't like McCain due to his policies and actions, he is doing the right thing here. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:51, 9 November 2017 (EST)

His nomination is in trouble, and it's also partially due to his comments on abortion: [23] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2017 (EST)

Winslow withdrew his nomination due to these issues -- a great ending to this incident: [24][25] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:57, 20 December 2017 (EST)

Buying surplus 1911 pistols

The 2018 National Defense Authorization Act apparently has a provision that allows Americans to buy surplus 1911 pistols,[26] and if this is in the final bill that Trump signs, this will be a good thing. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:09, 24 November 2017 (EST)

Now, over 100,000 of those guns are available to the public for sale: [27] This may be something to add to the article. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:53, 6 February 2018 (EST)

National reciprocity

The U.S. House is finally about to take up the national reciprocity bill that had been sitting there for 10 months[28] -- hopefully, they will pass it, but with the Senate's rules, it's unlikely it will become law. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:57, 28 November 2017 (EST)

Trump's statements on gun rights/control

In an interview with Piers Morgan, President Trump defended gun rights and criticized gun control again.[29] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:44, 30 January 2018 (EST)

Some great statements today, with Trump calling for stronger death penalty laws and stating that stronger self-defense measures save lives rather than more gun control laws: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 --1990'sguy (talk) 14:26, 27 October 2018 (EDT)

Gun control pivot?

Trump signed an order directing the DOJ to ban "bump stocks,"[30][31] and it has not ruled out supporting an assault rifle ban.[32] Hopefully, the Trump Administration will continue its pro-gun stances. Here are more interesting sources on this topic that I chose not to add to the article: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 00:02, 21 February 2018 (EST)

Trump is also privately discussing raising the minimum age to buy guns to 21: 1,2,3,4 Hopefully, this just remains talk -- as Clarence Thomas said yesterday, the Second Amendment is a disfavored right. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:14, 21 February 2018 (EST)

However, Trump seems friendly towad expanding concealed carry rights on school campuses: 1,2,3,4,5 Hopefully, he won't cave to the Left. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:39, 21 February 2018 (EST)

Trump's proposals to raise the minimum age to buy guns are really stupid and terrible (1,2), though he has continued to show strong support for the NRA overall (1,2,3), which is great. Hopefully the NRA and other conservatives can convince him to drop his bad proposals. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:44, 22 February 2018 (EST)

More news on the 21 age limit (which actually should be declared unconstitutional): 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 11:14, 28 February 2018 (EST)

Second Amendment supporters want compensation for the loss of sales from "bump stocks": [33] --1990'sguy (talk) 00:31, 22 April 2019 (EDT)

The Texas school shooting obvious was two weeks ago, but this article might be useful for future reference: [34] --1990'sguy (talk) 09:00, 31 May 2018 (EDT)

Total surrender

I don't like to even mention meetings like this on these talk pages (much less in the mainspace), but Trump's meeting with members of Congress did not seem to go well -- Trump endorsed major gun control measures such as banning bump stocks, raising the age limit to buy guns to age 21 (which should be unconstitutional), Manchin-Toomey universal background checks, taking away due process for Second Amendment rights, and he even considered an assault rifle ban. On top of that, he opposed (of all people) Steve Scalise's proposal for national reciprocity in exchange for gun control, and he criticized the NRA (a relatively moderate gun-rights organization) multiple times (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11). Hopefully, Trump can still show himself to be pro-Second Amendment, but for whatever reason, he seems to have totally caved to the emotionalistic gun control lobby to advocate for ineffective control controls that hurt the rights of law-abiding citizens. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:57, 28 February 2018 (EST)

On the bright side, President Trump did tweet that Congress should "respect the Second Amendment" (though the actions he showed support for yesterday won't accomplish that): [35] However, the GOP members of Congress were weak in promoting a pro-Second Amendment (and pro-Constitution) viewpoint.[36] Hopefully, this issue will turn out similar to what happened after the immigration meetings: [37] --1990'sguy (talk) 17:57, 1 March 2018 (EST)

I suspect that like with the DACA issue, he is actually playing them, not us. Rush was pretty much saying the same thing today, and made some good points. We should keep an eye out, but also be a little patient for this to pan out. Also, in case you care, I removed the bot trigger which set off the recent alarm on this page. --David B ^(TALK) 20:18, 1 March 2018 (EST)

I don't know... I still don't like it though. As best, he is called a hypocrite. As worst he actually tries to do it. --David B ^(TALK) 22:39, 1 March 2018 (EST)

Now the White House is downplaying Trump's recent pro-gun control comments: 1,2,3,4 This came after an apparently friendly meeting between Trump and the NRA's Chris Cox (1,2). I guess we'll see what happens with all of this. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:17, 2 March 2018 (EST)

It won't be long before the Trump Administration bans "bump stocks": [38] --1990'sguy (talk) 16:52, 8 March 2018 (EST)

The Trump Administration apparently backed off calling outright for raising the minimum age for buying guns, rather creating a commission to study the issue: 1,2,3,4,5 It would be nice if the commission reached its conclusion based on the Constitution, rather than coming to a conclusion through a European-style utilitarian process. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:21, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

More news on the "bump stock" ban: 1,2,3,4,5 --1990'sguy (talk) 21:54, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

More on the "bump stock ban: [39] --1990'sguy (talk) 11:55, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

Here's an interesting op-ed on the "bump stock" ban: [40] --1990'sguy (talk) 23:37, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

The "bump stock" ban will soon be finalized: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 18:35, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

More news on the ban's finalization: 1,2,3 --1990'sguy (talk) 22:15, 28 November 2018 (EST)

GOA is challenging the bump stock ban: [41] --1990'sguy (talk) 21:31, 27 December 2018 (EST)

It does seem that from what I understand, bump stocks are basically a way of getting around the ban on full-auto weapons. If the real thing is going to be banned, then I'm not surprised that they would want to ban these too. However, I must say (as many of you probably already recognize) that these have not to my knowledge been used in any mass shootings. Like all of the other bans, it's not about stopping mass murder, it's about restricting freedoms one small piece at a time. --David B ^(TALK) 12:34, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

Trump stated he doesn't like suppressors when asked if they should be regulated (though they are already heavily-regulated): 1,2,3,4,5,6 --1990'sguy (talk) 15:13, 3 June 2019 (EDT)

Some potentially worrisome statements on gun control by Trump -- hopefully, he won't surrender on gun control again: 1,2,3 --1990'sguy (talk) 21:11, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

And Trump now made it explicit: 1,2,3,4,5,6 --1990'sguy (talk) 07:34, 5 August 2019 (EDT)

At a formal event, Trump's proposals/statements (though not very specific) didn't seem as bad as it could have been: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14 He also criticized the MSM for promoting emnity and hatred: 1,2,3,4 --1990'sguy (talk) 16:24, 5 August 2019 (EDT)

More on this: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29 --1990'sguy (talk) 16:59, 5 August 2019 (EDT)

What's worrisome is that the administration (including AG Barr, a gun control and "assault" weapons ban advocate) are looking into executive actions: [42] --1990'sguy (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2019 (EDT)

The number of mass shootings (particularly those motivated by white supremacism) are exaggerated: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 19:01, 6 August 2019 (EDT)

The FBI opened an investigation into several recent shootings: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 10:22, 7 August 2019 (EDT)

Trump is again advocating for federal background checks and he even seems open to an "assault" weapons ban: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 --1990'sguy (talk) 10:22, 7 August 2019 (EDT)

More statements by Trump, stating that he will "respect" and the NRA's views and have the organization represented, even as he claims the organization will change its views to support gun control that would not have stopped the recent shootings: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 --1990'sguy (talk) 17:08, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

Trump stated he would reciprocate other countries' "travel warnings" against the U.S., which is good if he follows through: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

This article takes a stance favoring gun control, but it does a decent job noting Trump's changing public positions on the issue of background checks: [43] --1990'sguy (talk) 12:28, 13 August 2019 (EDT)

Some more statements by Trump on gun control and background checks: 1,2,3 --1990'sguy (talk) 16:17, 13 August 2019 (EDT)

Trump called Chris Murphy (a very liberal Democrat, unlike someone like Joe Manchin who at least pretends to be moderate) to discuss gun control laws, and Murphy's statement on the call isn't encouraging: 1,2,3,4 Meanwhile, this article states that a background check law will inevitably lead to a federal gun registry: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2019 (EDT)

The WH wants a gun plan by September: [44] --1990'sguy (talk) 20:20, 14 August 2019 (EDT)

Trump called on improving mental institutions, which is a better policy proposal: 1,2,3,4 --1990'sguy (talk) 21:03, 15 August 2019 (EDT)

According to these sources, Trump seems to be stepping back from his support for even more background checks, which is good: 1,2,3 --1990'sguy (talk) 20:09, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

Trump made some pro-2A statements recently, but the White House contradicted the NRA's claim that it won't push for even more background checks: [45] --1990'sguy (talk) 20:53, 20 August 2019 (EDT)

Conservatives are pushing back against "red-flag" gun laws: [46] --1990'sguy (talk) 21:25, 20 August 2019 (EDT)

More statements on background checks: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 --1990'sguy (talk) 14:16, 21 August 2019 (EDT)

More good articles on the topic: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 14:38, 21 August 2019 (EDT)

More statements by Trump on potential gun actions: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 20:44, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

Making domestic terrorism a federal crime, either something done along with or as an alternative to gun control, might not be a good idea either: [47] --1990'sguy (talk) 16:14, 25 August 2019 (EDT)

Some extra articles on Trump's statements on background checks -- I added some other sources to the article: 1,2,3 --1990'sguy (talk) 22:01, 1 September 2019 (EDT)

More on this: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 21:34, 3 September 2019 (EDT)

The DOJ is sending its legislative proposals on guns to the White House: [48] --1990'sguy (talk) 20:57, 5 September 2019 (EDT)

Trump is reportedly considering creating a universal background check app: [49] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:26, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

The Trump Administration might possibly partner with Big Tech companies in an agreement that could undermine gun rights for law-abiding citizens: 1,2,3 --1990'sguy (talk) 22:12, 5 September 2019 (EDT)

Second Amendment support

Fortunately, Trump opposes repealing the Second Amendment: 1,2,3,4,5 --1990'sguy (talk) 11:13, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

Repeated in a speech today: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 21:14, 29 March 2018 (EDT)

Trump did criticize gun control in the UK and France, which failed at preventing other types of crime (along with some gun crime): 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 --1990'sguy (talk) 18:47, 5 May 2018 (EDT)

Some more great statements at the Indiana rally earlier today: [50] --1990'sguy (talk) 21:53, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

Another great statement: [51] --1990'sguy (talk) 08:45, 12 February 2019 (EST)

Trump will speak again at the NRA's convention -- the fourth year in a row: 1,2,3,4 --1990'sguy (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

3D-printed guns: potential achievement

The DOJ settled a lawsuit, allowing 3D-printed gun designs to be distributed: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 --1990'sguy (talk) 00:01, 13 July 2018 (EDT)

Another decent source on this: [52] --1990'sguy (talk) 09:20, 25 July 2018 (EDT)

U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman (an Obama appointee!) has refused to block the release of the blueprints: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 18:57, 27 July 2018 (EDT)

This is an interesting article on the topic: [53] --1990'sguy (talk) 21:55, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

An interesting op-ed: [54] --1990'sguy (talk) 17:29, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

Interesting article on the topic: [55] --1990'sguy (talk) 17:42, 31 July 2018 (EDT)

Interesting article on whether 3D-printed guns are safe: [56] --1990'sguy (talk) 18:33, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

More articles on this general topic: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 23:33, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

Other good articles on the 3D gun fight: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 17:49, 26 December 2018 (EST)

Caving again to the Left?

Trump stated that legalizing the sharing of 3D gun blueprints "doesn’t seem to make much sense", so hopefully, he won't cave and reverse the decision (at least before any leftist courts do it first): 1,2,3,4,5 --1990'sguy (talk) 17:42, 31 July 2018 (EDT)

As we could predict, a federal judge issued an injunction against the release of the blueprints: 1,2,3,4,5,6 Of course, we can predict that this judge is going to waste a lot of time before making a final ruling against releasing the information, and then it will be appealed to the Ninth Circuit, which will predictably support the anti-First/Second Amendment stance. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:02, 31 July 2018 (EDT)

The Trump Administration also is now saying it supports a ban on homemade plastic guns: 1,2 I will probably keep the settlement as a success for now, but I am prepared to move it into the failure section if we see concrete changes to this. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:02, 31 July 2018 (EDT)

Now, Jeff Sessions is saying he'll prosecute people who make such guns that are undetectable: 1,2,3 --1990'sguy (talk) 22:35, 16 August 2018 (EDT)

Predictably, the federal judge is extending the ruling: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 13:54, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

Fortunately, the court ruling is not stopping people from sharing their gun designs across the internet: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 08:04, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

See this website for some available gun designs. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:33, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

Another source discussing the rise in gun designs available on the internet: [57] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:06, 20 August 2018 (EDT)

Cody Wilson himself is sharing his designs, though he's selling them rather than giving them out for free: 1,2,3,4 --1990'sguy (talk) 15:30, 28 August 2018 (EDT)

A federal judge ruled in favor of the ban: 1,2 --1990'sguy (talk) 09:05, 26 February 2019 (EST)

Gun makers are changing their gun designs to get past federal bans: [58] --1990'sguy (talk) 14:39, 21 June 2019 (EDT)

Wording

In the section on this, the following is currently written: "In the settlement, the DOJ admitted that non-automatic firearms up to .50-caliber, including semi-automatic rifles, are not inherently military, and by allowing the release of 3D-printed gun blueprints, it undermined gun-buying regulations."
Am I the only one who finds this wording a little confusing? I'm not sure if the DOJ stated that 3D-printed gun blueprints undermine gun-buying regulations (which would mean they probably oppose it), or if we are editorializing by saying that 3D printed guns undermine current gun buying regulations (making such regulations obsolete). --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 23:48, 26 March 2019 (EDT)

I fixed it -- I hope it's clearer. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:42, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

Thanks--that seems more clear. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 20:00, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

Guns in schools

Betsy DeVos may possibly allow federal funds to be used by states to purchase guns for schools: 1,2,3 --1990'sguy (talk) 09:43, 23 August 2018 (EDT)

DeVos said she wouldn't take a position on arming teachers, saying it's a local issue: 1,2,3,4,5 This is good, but I'm not sure it's significant enough to add to the article. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:24, 1 September 2018 (EDT)

Gun sales statistics

Federal background checks in February 2019 fell to the lowest level of that month in four years: [59] The WT partially attributes to the "Trump Slump," though overall, it doesn't seem significant enough to add. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2019 (EDT)

UN Treaty withdrawal

This sounds like good news! It probably doesn't rank as an achievement until it is actually done, but it is something to watch. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 18:57, 26 April 2019 (EDT)

I think it's already good to add -- he made the announcement, and he signed some document already on it (and the WH published something saying it was a bad treaty that he will withdraw from, meaning it's already official policy). Of course, it should be worded correctly. I'm already gathering sources for it. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:02, 26 April 2019 (EDT)

Okay. It sounded to me like all he signed was a request to congress to recall the officially signed treaty. Maybe I'm missing the point, but this sounds like noting more than another executive order (which is nothing more than a powerless memo). Thanks for looking into it! --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 19:12, 26 April 2019 (EDT)

You're correct about the facts, but that's enough for me to include it (provided it's worded correctly) since it's now official administration policy to oppose the treaty and Trump has taken action to undo it (also, the treaty hasn't been ratified yet, only signed by the president, and Trump is withdrawing Obama's signing). --1990'sguy (talk) 20:01, 26 April 2019 (EDT)

Fair enough--okay, sounds good then. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 20:22, 26 April 2019 (EDT)

Appointments

Trump's ATF nominee seems like a good choice when it comes to gun rights: [60] --1990'sguy (talk) 15:43, 25 May 2019 (EDT)

Actually, TNA has a low view of him, arguing (convincingly) that he supports gun control laws: [61] --1990'sguy (talk) 14:06, 3 June 2019 (EDT)

Other gun actions

AG Barr formed a task force aimed at keeping guns away from domestic abusers: 1,2,3 This is worrisome because of the potential reduction in Second Amendment freedoms resulting from the good intentions in this action, though I don't know how valid these fears are with regard to this specific action. --1990'sguy (talk) 00:36, 12 June 2019 (EDT)

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 :And Trump now made it explicit: [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting/trump-calls-on-u-s-lawmakers-to-pass-gun-background-check-law-idUSKCN1UV15C 1],[https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/456137-trump-suggests-tying-background-checks-to-immigration-reform 2],[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/05/president-trump-floats-idea-of-strong-background-checks-after-shootings/ 3],[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/05/after-shootings-donald-trump-proposes-gun-background-checks-and-immigration-reform/ 4],[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-suggests-linking-background-check-legislation-with-immigration-reform-in-wake-of-shootings 5],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-calls-for-strong-background-checks-immigration-reform-following-mass-murders-in-ohio-and-texas_3030391.html 6] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 07:34, 5 August 2019 (EDT)
 :At a formal event, Trump's proposals/statements (though not very specific) didn't seem as bad as it could have been: [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/456176-trump-on-el-paso-shooting-we-must-condemn-white-supremacy 1],[https://thehill.com/policy/technology/456183-trump-calls-for-doj-to-work-with-social-media-companies-to-identify-mass 2],[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/05/president-trump-calls-for-red-flag-laws-following-texas-ohio-shootings/ 3],[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/05/donald-trump-condemns-white-supremacy-promises-action-in-response-to-weekends-mass-shootings/ 4],[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-shootings-remarks 5],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-calls-for-death-penalty-for-mass-murderers-hate-crimes_3030702.html 6],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-proposes-actions-to-combat-mass-shootings-in-address-to-nation_3030430.html 7],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/5/trump-calls-tougher-mental-health-laws-wake-evil-m/ 8],[https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-suggests-lawmakers-could-combine-gun-background-check-legislation-with-immigration-reform-11565004350 9],[https://www.apnews.com/7047bea466f143d1ad9f61530e34af27 10],[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting/after-mass-killings-trump-condemns-white-supremacy-but-faces-pressure-for-gun-control-idUSKCN1UV15C 11],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/we-must-stop-the-glorification-of-violence-trump-points-to-violent-video-games-in-wake-of-shootings_3030747.html 12],[https://www.conservativereview.com/news/president-trump-calls-red-flag-gun-confiscation-laws-response-texas-ohio-shootings/ 13],[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/business/trump-targets-43-billion-industry-with-video-game-blame 14] He also criticized the MSM for promoting emnity and hatred: [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/456142-trump-says-fake-news-has-contributed-greatly-to-the-anger-and-rage 1],[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/05/donald-trump-blames-shooting-violence-on-fake-news-media/ 2],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-fake-news-has-contributed-greatly-to-the-anger-and-rage-that-has-built-up-over-many-years_3030480.html 3],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/5/donald-trump-blames-shootings-on-fake-news-after-b/ 4] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:24, 5 August 2019 (EDT)
-:More on this: [https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/33029-trump-and-o-rourke-play-blame-game-on-el-paso-shooting 1],[https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/33021-el-paso-mass-shooting-elicits-calls-for-more-gun-control 2],[https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mass-shootings-unicorn-gun-control-policy-magic-solution/ 3],[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-willing-to-consider-bipartisan-gun-violence-solutions-opposes-infringing-on-constitutional-rights 4],[https://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/33054-el-paso-the-real-root-causes-of-mass-shootings 5],[https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/06/no-anti-terrorism-efforts-havent-hampered-investigations-white-supremacists/ 6],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/6/white-house-dismisses-criticism-about-trump-rhetor/ 7],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/5/world-sees-problems-with-guns-trump-us-economy/ 8],[https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/456519-trump-i-think-my-rhetoric-brings-people-together 9],[https://twitter.com/MarkSKrikorian/status/1158218797242834946 10],[https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-killers-in-our-midst-11564958792 11],[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/07/nolte-same-democrat-lawmakers-who-dox-us-want-to-confiscate-our-guns/ 12],[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-complains-of-double-standard-in-shooting-response-cites-liberal-views-of-ohio-gunman 13],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-notes-dayton-shooter-had-history-of-supporting-antifa-elizabeth-warren_3033037.html 14],[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/gun-control-wont-cure-the-underlying-moral-disease 15],[https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/33071-as-trump-visits-texas-and-ohio-he-s-in-crosshairs-of-media-assault-commentary 16],[https://www.conservativereview.com/news/republicans-jump-push-security-self-defense/ 17],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/conservatives-mobilize-against-republicans-supporting-red-flag-gun-confiscation-law_3033422.html 18],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/20/why-raising-the-age-to-buy-guns-is-a-dangerous-plo/ 19],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/7/few-words-about-guns-and-personal-liberty/ 20],[https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-a-few-words-about-guns-and-personal-liberty 21],[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/we-need-pragmatic-red-flag-laws-that-empower-individuals-not-the-government 22],[https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/33095-mass-stabbing-in-calif-gets-less-publicity-than-el-paso-dayton-shootings 23],[https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/457058-red-flag-laws-violate-more-than-just-gun-rights 24] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:59, 5 August 2019 (EDT)
+:More on this: [https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/33029-trump-and-o-rourke-play-blame-game-on-el-paso-shooting 1],[https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/33021-el-paso-mass-shooting-elicits-calls-for-more-gun-control 2],[https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mass-shootings-unicorn-gun-control-policy-magic-solution/ 3],[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-willing-to-consider-bipartisan-gun-violence-solutions-opposes-infringing-on-constitutional-rights 4],[https://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/33054-el-paso-the-real-root-causes-of-mass-shootings 5],[https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/06/no-anti-terrorism-efforts-havent-hampered-investigations-white-supremacists/ 6],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/6/white-house-dismisses-criticism-about-trump-rhetor/ 7],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/5/world-sees-problems-with-guns-trump-us-economy/ 8],[https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/456519-trump-i-think-my-rhetoric-brings-people-together 9],[https://twitter.com/MarkSKrikorian/status/1158218797242834946 10],[https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-killers-in-our-midst-11564958792 11],[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/07/nolte-same-democrat-lawmakers-who-dox-us-want-to-confiscate-our-guns/ 12],[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-complains-of-double-standard-in-shooting-response-cites-liberal-views-of-ohio-gunman 13],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-notes-dayton-shooter-had-history-of-supporting-antifa-elizabeth-warren_3033037.html 14],[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/gun-control-wont-cure-the-underlying-moral-disease 15],[https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/33071-as-trump-visits-texas-and-ohio-he-s-in-crosshairs-of-media-assault-commentary 16],[https://www.conservativereview.com/news/republicans-jump-push-security-self-defense/ 17],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/conservatives-mobilize-against-republicans-supporting-red-flag-gun-confiscation-law_3033422.html 18],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/20/why-raising-the-age-to-buy-guns-is-a-dangerous-plo/ 19],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/7/few-words-about-guns-and-personal-liberty/ 20],[https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-a-few-words-about-guns-and-personal-liberty 21],[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/we-need-pragmatic-red-flag-laws-that-empower-individuals-not-the-government 22],[https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/33095-mass-stabbing-in-calif-gets-less-publicity-than-el-paso-dayton-shootings 23],[https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/457058-red-flag-laws-violate-more-than-just-gun-rights 24],[https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-the-dangerous-urge-to-do-something 25],[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/15/graham-allen-red-flag-laws-will-be-used-to-try-to-disarm-the-american-people/ 26],[https://www.conservativereview.com/news/people-pushed-early-release-gun-felons-now-want-take-guns-without-due-process/ 27],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/14/dangerous-urge-do-something/ 28],[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-enforcement-problems-with-gun-grabbing-red-flag-laws-are-even-worse-than-you-think 29] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:59, 5 August 2019 (EDT)
 :What's worrisome is that the administration (including AG Barr, a gun control and "assault" weapons ban advocate) are looking into executive actions: [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/05/trump-executive-action-guns-1448612] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 20:42, 5 August 2019 (EDT)
 :The number of mass shootings (particularly those motivated by white supremacism) are exaggerated: [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/number-of-mass-shootings-committed-by-white-people-in-the-us-overblown-report 1],[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/5/white-nationalist-mass-shootings-not-rising-resear/ 2] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 19:01, 6 August 2019 (EDT)
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 ::::Trump stated he would reciprocate other countries' "travel warnings" against the U.S., which is good if he follows through: [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/456910-trump-threatens-to-reciprocate-countries-that-issue-travel-warnings 1],[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/09/trump-threatens-retaliation-over-travel-warnings-against-us/1965898001/ 2] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 9 August 2019 (EDT)
 :::::This article takes a stance favoring gun control, but it does a decent job noting Trump's changing public positions on the issue of background checks: [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/politics/gun-background-checks.html] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 12:28, 13 August 2019 (EDT)
+::::::Some more statements by Trump on gun control and background checks: [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/13/trump-urges-action-gun-background-checks-says-demo/ 1],[https://www.apnews.com/ff5699102cbc437f82d5ceccb7049bf1 2],[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting-trump/trump-says-he-is-convinced-senate-leader-wants-background-checks-bill-idUSKCN1V31ON 3] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:17, 13 August 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::Trump called Chris Murphy (a very liberal Democrat, unlike someone like Joe Manchin who at least pretends to be moderate) to discuss gun control laws, and Murphy's statement on the call isn't encouraging: [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/457329-trump-phoned-democratic-senator-to-talk-gun-control 1],[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-negotiating-with-senate-dems-on-guns 2],[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-talking-directly-with-senators-about-gun-control-legislation 3],[https://www.conservativereview.com/news/white-house-meeting-key-senators-behind-potential-gun-control-legislation-report/ 4] Meanwhile, this article states that a background check law will inevitably lead to a federal gun registry: [https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/13/hawkins-universal-background-checks-unenforceable-gun-registry/ 1],[https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/33128-universal-background-checks-require-gun-registration 2] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:41, 13 August 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::The WH wants a gun plan by September: [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/457471-white-house-eyes-september-action-plan-for-gun-proposals] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 20:20, 14 August 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::Trump called on improving mental institutions, which is a better policy proposal: [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/15/donald-trump-mental-hospitals-needed-keep-crazy-pe/ 1],[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/we-cant-let-these-people-be-on-the-streets-trump-stresses-necessity-of-mental-institutions 2],[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting-trump-guns/trump-blames-mass-shootings-on-mentally-ill-calls-for-more-mental-institutions-idUSKCN1V52H3 3],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/at-rally-trump-says-considering-building-more-mental-institutions-to-address-shootings_3044247.html 4] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 21:03, 15 August 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::According to these sources, Trump seems to be stepping back from his support for even more background checks, which is good: [https://thinkprogress.org/trump-backs-off-support-for-background-checks-for-gun-purchases-5df62498fdaf/ 1],[https://thehill.com/homenews/house/457999-pelosi-schumer-press-for-gun-screenings-as-trump-inches-away 2],[https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/08/19/trump-we-already-have-a-lot-of-background-checks-470175 3] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 20:09, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::Trump made some pro-2A statements recently, but the White House contradicted the NRA's claim that it won't push for even more background checks: [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-nra-universal-background-checks-off-table-white-house-pushback] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 20:53, 20 August 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::::Conservatives are pushing back against "red-flag" gun laws: [https://www.theepochtimes.com/conservative-fight-against-red-flag-laws-slows-washingtons-gun-control-push_3049436.html] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 21:25, 20 August 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::::More statements on background checks: [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/458268-trump-sends-mixed-messages-on-background-checks 1],[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-reiterates-an-appetite-for-background-checks 2],[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting/trump-says-he-will-push-to-close-background-check-loopholes-for-gun-buys-idUSKCN1VB1WD 3],[https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/21/donald-trump-gun-background-checks-1470901 4],[https://www.apnews.com/75db363bc4fb4779b92d4582f5d5bb70 5],[https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-says-he-favors-background-checks-but-gives-no-details-11566418660 6],[https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/08/21/wh-spox-gidley-trump-told-the-nra-he-wants-meaningful-background-checks/ 7],[https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/458484-murphy-says-white-house-still-interested-in-improving-background-checks 8],[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns/trump-still-looking-at-gun-background-checks-senator-murphy-idUSKCN1VD23Z 9] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 14:16, 21 August 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::::More good articles on the topic: [https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gun-legislation-facts-laws-trump-rep-thomas-massie-rep-jim-jordan 1],[https://www.wsj.com/articles/guns-and-the-do-something-fallacy-11565651915 2] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 14:38, 21 August 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::::More statements by Trump on potential gun actions: [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/talks-are-ongoing-trump-says-he-attended-meeting-to-discuss-prevention-of-mass-shootings 1],[https://www.theepochtimes.com/president-trump-considering-all-sides-in-the-gun-control-issue_3052683.html 2] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 20:44, 22 August 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::::::Making domestic terrorism a federal crime, either something done along with or as an alternative to gun control, might not be a good idea either: [https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/458690-andrew-mccarthy-why-a-domestic-terrorism-law-is-a-terrible-idea] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:14, 25 August 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::::::Some extra articles on Trump's statements on background checks -- I added some other sources to the article: [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-downplays-background-checks-push-after-odessa-mass-shooting-n1048726 1],[https://www.apnews.com/594c4f2a1e9f4efbab11a217328b0502 2],[https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/01/trump-mass-shootings-background-checks-1479452 3] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:01, 1 September 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::More on this: [https://www.wsj.com/articles/gun-policy-talks-await-signal-from-trump-11567545301 1],[https://www.conservativereview.com/news/mcconnell-says-hell-put-gun-bill-senate-floor-trump-gets-behind/ 2] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 21:34, 3 September 2019 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::The DOJ is sending its legislative proposals on guns to the White House: [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-sends-gun-legislation-package-to-white-house-as-debate-rages-over-mass-shootings] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 20:57, 5 September 2019 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::::Trump is reportedly considering creating a universal background check app: [https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/14/report-president-trump-weighing-a-universal-background-check-app/] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:26, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
+The Trump Administration might possibly partner with Big Tech companies in an agreement that could undermine gun rights for law-abiding citizens: [https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/computers/item/33345-trump-admin-weighs-using-smart-devices-to-decide-gun-confiscation 1],[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/08/report-u-s-government-asks-apple-google-to-hand-over-gun-owner-data/ 2],[https://humanevents.com/2019/09/13/the-invisible-shackles-of-americas-social-credit-system/ 3] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:12, 5 September 2019 (EDT)
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