Talk:Donald Trump and social media

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A portion of this article was taken from Donald Trump. When adding to this article, please give sources. Please do not use this article to editorialize or add bias. JDano (talk) 17:40, 8 September 2017 (EDT)

A portion of this article was also taken from Donald Trump achievements: Media and political correctness#Trump's establishment of a massive direct line to the public via social media. Of course, JDano says not to add bias, but denying the existence of the establishment and hiding the political orientation of RINOs is bias. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:45, 8 September 2017 (EDT)
None of this article was taken from the source that you mentioned. JDano (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2017 (EDT)

Here is something JDano loves to say to me: "f you have strong personal emotions about this topic, please leave editing to others." I have strong emotions about people like JDano giving articles an MSM/establishment/liberal tilt. The edit that I just linked shows JDano refusing to use the phrase "establishment", even though it is a very common and objective term that even was a CP article about it; show JDano refusing to call John McCain and Linsey Graham RINOs, even though their voting records clearly show that (amnesty for illegals is the clearest example, but there are many others), and refusing to differentiate between the establishment/Democrat/centrist wing of the White House and the conservative/nationalist wing that supports Trump's tweeting. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:49, 8 September 2017 (EDT)

JDano, even though Andy has given me the unilateral authority to block you whenever I want, I have been very gracious -- perhaps more so than I need to be (look at how much time I am wasting dealing with you, even though it's necessary to do so). Please don't try my patience -- at least propose a real compromise or accept the truth that "establishment" is a real and objective term and that McCain and Graham are not conservatives (definition of "conservative" HERE). --1990'sguy (talk) 17:52, 8 September 2017 (EDT)
How do you define RINO and how to you define establishment? Why is it relevant as to whether McCain and Graham receive those labels -- their advice is noteworthy because they are people who President Trump needs in order to achieve legislation or to get nominees confirmed. JDano (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2017 (EDT)
Read the Conservative article. That is the definition of what it means to be conservative (and to be Republican is supposed to be synonymous with conservative). McCain and Graham frequently diverge from this standard. They are RINOs. They may be noteworthy to include (this is not the point of the dispute), but they are clearly RINOs regardless. The fact that they may be important does not change this fact. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:16, 8 September 2017 (EDT)
Your writing is a jumbled word salad because of your urge to load up a lot of unnecessary adjectives and characterizations by each noun. It distracts the reader and doesn't convince anyone to agree with you. Person X may be 5'11" tall, but that does not mean that we must say each time we mention him, "The 5'11" tall Person X said that ...." You may think that Person X is 5'11" tall, but we don't have authoritative sources for that and people disagree on how tall he is, and it is not worth spending time on the question. JDano (talk) 22:10, 8 September 2017 (EDT)
Funny that you accuse me of having "jumbled word salad" writing, as you're the one whose edits generally are more wordy. The fact that Graham and McCain are RINOs is essential regarding their statements in this article. We cannot let the reader falsely assume that they are conservatives just because they have an "R" at the end of their names. Their criticisms mean a lot less to conservatives because of this. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:13, 8 September 2017 (EDT)