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What does everyone else think about ''militant atheist''? I had to listen to someone rail at me for being a Christian on the train this morning '''for an hour''' and it got me thinking. I've been hearing the term since I was a kid, but that would probably fall into the 20th century. William Ayers anyone? My argument in favor is that most of them try to pass themselves off as peaceful, tolerant, etc, when (only my opinion here) that isn't really the case. We should call it as we see it here. I can't provide a year, but maybe someone with more experience can? What do you think? [[User:Tzoran|Tyler Zoran]] <sup>[[User talk:Tzoran|Talk]]</sup> 13:23, 20 July 2010 (EDT)
What does everyone else think about ''militant atheist''? I had to listen to someone rail at me for being a Christian on the train this morning '''for an hour''' and it got me thinking. I've been hearing the term since I was a kid, but that would probably fall into the 20th century. William Ayers anyone? My argument in favor is that most of them try to pass themselves off as peaceful, tolerant, etc, when (only my opinion here) that isn't really the case. We should call it as we see it here. I can't provide a year, but maybe someone with more experience can? What do you think? [[User:Tzoran|Tyler Zoran]] <sup>[[User talk:Tzoran|Talk]]</sup> 13:23, 20 July 2010 (EDT)
== Selection Bias and Proposal for an Unbiased Test ==
===Selection bias===
<p>The easiest way to see this is the history of your finds: You have repeatedly achieved what you call a <i>perfect layer</i> (1-2-4-8) of new conservative words, i.e. 1 word of the 17th century, 2 of the 18th century, 4 of the 19th century and 8 of the 20th century.</p>
<p>What's the probability to get a <i>perfect layer</i>? Here are the probabilities for the century of origin of a random conservative words, assuming that your insight is correct: </p>
<p>For a <i>layer</i>, we have to take 15 words. It's easy to calculate the probability that these 15 words form a <i>perfect layer</i>:</p>
<p>15!/(8!×4!×2!×1!) ×  (1/15)<sup>1</sup> × (2/15)<sup>2</sup> × (4/15)<sup>4</sup> × (8/15)<sup>8</sup>  = 675675 × 2<sup>34</sup> / 15<sup>15</sup>  =0.0265</p>
<p>2.65% is the probability to chose 15 words and get a <i>perfect layer</i> instead of 2-1-4-8 or 1-2-5-7... And how often was this remarkable deed performed?</p>
<p>That you were able to repeat this  process for a couple of times shows that you were actively (though not necessarily consciously) looking for words to match your pattern, i.e., you showed a selection bias - a kind of affirmative action for newer words...</p>
===An unbiased test===
<p>Andy, f you are interested in testing your insight, I really would like to help you. The hidden table below contains 500 words which - according to the Merriam-Webster - originated between 1600 and 2000. The list was generated by taking words of the ubuntu-dictionary at random and checking their age automatically via the site of Merriam-Webster. This was repeated until 500 feasible words were found. </p>
<p>If you  mark each conservative word with an "r" (and perhaps each liberal word with an "l"), we'll get an estimate of the percentage of conservative words - and a fairly unbiased distribution over the time.</p>
<p>Please be aware that the distribution of this sample doesn't follow a geometric law. Here are the number of words by century of origin:</p>
<table><tr><th>Century</th><th>Number of Words</th></tr><tr><td>17th</td><td>151</td></tr><tr><td>18th</td><td>84</td></tr><tr><td>19th</td><td>161</td></tr><tr><td>20th</td><td>104</td></tr></table>
===Table of random words===
{|class="collapsible collapsed"
!500 words
|1    economics
2    storeroom
3    hunkers
4    sufficing
5    coffeehouses
6    stalagmites
7    therapy
8    sanitation
9    cheapskates
10    Caesareans
11    ringmaster
12    acclimate
13    penology
14    verandah
15    caregivers
16    fed
17    disengaged
18    whitecaps
19    dissertation
20    consignment
21    chainsaws
22    speeds
23    kinfolk
24    caribous
25    hobbyists
26    coefficients
27    protuberance
28    morphemes
29    Caroline
30    millionaires
31    recyclable
32    wilts
33    unreconstructed
34    chandeliers
35    palomino
36    joysticks
37    volleys
38    cajoling
39    bucksaws
40    spars
41    portaged
42    acoustically
43    humanize
44    hybridize
45    tipsters
46    overprices
47    marksmanship
48    fezes
49    depressant
50    auctioned
51    flamethrower
52    biking
53    artistic
54    agribusiness
55    jottings
56    pedicures
57    Cordilleras
58    slots
59    recording
60    unrealistic
61    rationalism
62    peacekeeping
63    aromatherapy
64    jackknife
65    champagne
66    horrendous
67    Quasimodo
68    excavator
69    chowders
70    arts
71    configure
72    civic
73    telegraphy
74    sweepstakes
75    euphoric
76    strategy
77    subgroup
78    shouting
79    gusher
80    telemarketing
81    glucose
82    booties
83    preponderated
84    manures
85    outspokenness
86    wiener
87    embeds
88    amped
89    sternums
90    empathy
91    cognomina
92    colitis
93    kimono
94    retched
95    singletons
96    megaphoned
97    respelled
98    Hindus
99    squiggle
100    irrigates
101    reconstructions
102    deceptiveness
103    colonialism
104    missioned
105    dyes
106    maladroit
107    tents
108    turfs
109    generalization
110    seamanship
111    duffers
112    scruffier
113    pollinate
114    bobcats
115    achieved
116    exerted
117    flapjack
118    Independence
119    lucidity
120    indenturing
121    enumerable
122    disenchanted
123    flashback
124    trilogies
125    colloquially
126    Colby
127    killjoys
128    lifelines
129    hydrotherapy
130    psychoanalysis
131    memorializing
132    bronchitis
133    rink
134    automobiles
135    dandy
136    schoolmarms
137    debriefing
138    glands
139    oceanography
140    jetted
141    hurdler
142    dependability
143    tactician
144    rotor
145    liturgies
146    quantified
147    wests
148    quitters
149    ocarinas
150    betting
151    apathetically
152    smoggier
153    Xenia
154    saris
155    dupe
156    voodooism
157    optimize
158    particularization
159    funereally
160    masterminding
161    capsizes
162    orchestrates
163    uncivilized
164    emphasized
165    skyrocket
166    plagiarist
167    politicoes
168    streptococci
169    pantsuits
170    waving
171    decontaminates
172    teensy
173    taxonomy
174    proselytizes
175    drollness
176    expectoration
177    legmen
178    modulations
179    diploma
180    Brandy
181    radar
182    pushiest
183    drill
184    lush
185    temperas
186    musicals
187    wheal
188    horticulture
189    cancan
190    jocularity
191    caramels
192    bipolar
193    sophisticated
194    injudicious
195    emulsion
196    ignore
197    cannonballed
198    swastika
199    overachievers
200    rubella
201    chuckhole
202    ersatz
203    breeziness
204    climaxes
205    explosiveness
206    empathizing
207    jumps
208    secularizing
209    sequoia
210    bibliography
211    prettying
212    bouldered
213    authorship
214    vocalizing
215    tarpons
216    camisoles
217    cowpox
218    tans
219    breathable
220    machines
221    tycoon
222    flicking
223    squishes
224    semiprofessional
225    feline
226    seedling
227    hankie
228    entitlement
229    abscissa
230    derisive
231    romance
232    overprice
233    beads
234    stipple
235    Kitty
236    jewelled
237    mascaraed
238    dissociation
239    moments
240    Spica
241    quaking
242    legislation
243    wobbly
244    scorches
245    books
246    gastrointestinal
247    finked
248    renegotiates
249    flautists
250    wrongheadedness
251    allergenic
252    squishiest
253    kickoffs
254    mecca
255    disses
256    woodwinds
257    discotheques
258    replacements
259    tomahawks
260    voluptuaries
261    salon
262    eliciting
263    resale
264    soporific
265    dosage
266    smokestacks
267    rationalists
268    subsumed
269    futzes
270    minutemen
271    stingrays
272    marathoner
273    vagina
274    propellers
275    rooftops
276    sensationalist
277    bluejackets
278    individualize
279    hyphenating
280    Xanthippe
281    federated
282    amortize
283    airfare
284    hyphenates
285    syncopates
286    sermonizing
287    biochemistry
288    babysat
289    yellows
290    riskier
291    cassocks
292    stated
293    Cordoba
294    Slinky
295    eventfully
296    nines
297    blabbermouths
298    fraternizes
299    bucked
300    Boolean
301    bivalve
302    ricochetted
303    toys
304    toted
305    commissars
306    cushioning
307    redeploy
308    poignancy
309    variegating
310    snuffbox
311    stoplight
312    biochemists
313    bicycling
314    disenfranchised
315    nosing
316    enlightenment
317    knockout
318    resurgent
319    pediments
320    skyscrapers
321    treatments
322    polio
323    flashbulbs
324    empower
325    rounding
326    pervasive
327    humped
328    oxymora
329    freebie
330    passageway
331    barfing
332    motorists
333    triglycerides
334    Mayans
335    stopped
336    kidnapper
337    pensioning
338    foreclosures
339    Yankees
340    manifestoing
341    predictor
342    Delawares
343    librettos
344    panoply
345    angstroms
346    jodhpurs
347    backpedal
348    sugars
349    preclude
350    unravelling
351    Lilliput
352    motivator
353    enslavement
354    pencilling
355    flukey
356    amoral
357    depository
358    unemotional
359    stumpy
360    cartons
361    gal
362    ignitions
363    malingered
364    spotlighted
365    photographic
366    abnegated
367    dashing
368    atrocious
369    inanities
370    derricks
371    mountaineer
372    inseminate
373    sacrosanct
374    modernize
375    specializations
376    obliging
377    heckles
378    baccalaureates
379    bluebirds
380    lengthiest
381    octets
382    physiotherapist
383    disorganizing
384    toffees
385    unfurling
386    abnegate
387    bathrobe
388    socked
389    crepe
390    polkas
391    overwriting
392    punned
393    platoons
394    infrared
395    ensuring
396    decimate
397    baggiest
398    plungers
399    trampolining
400    centigram
401    Topsy
402    epochal
403    boogies
404    showrooms
405    pianofortes
406    Orphic
407    logbooks
408    amphibious
409    rapprochements
410    terms
411    Kalmyk
412    petering
413    geocentric
414    stills
415    ethnologist
416    exec
417    flairs
418    likableness
419    rods
420    melange
421    graduated
422    ante
423    voluminously
424    impaled
425    cognacs
426    yups
427    comfiest
428    strychnine
429    subsoiled
430    conics
431    Salish
432    windsocks
433    rutabaga
434    vacuumed
435    maestri
436    podiatrist
437    restructured
438    metrically
439    motorcade
440    zipping
441    unmoral
442    electioneered
443    minibikes
444    trillion
445    sudsier
446    actuator
447    acing
448    masochism
449    softeners
450    cocksucker
451    brig
452    verbs
453    buccaneer
454    confessed
455    filibustered
456    rearmed
457    melodramatics
458    swivelled
459    veggies
460    monochrome
461    hellos
462    escalators
463    Seyfert
464    bushwhack
465    encapsulation
466    combining
467    realists
468    playgrounds
469    teenage
470    glandular
471    tot
472    cyclical
473    tinsmith
474    commitment
475    undersells
476    orthopaedics
477    yardstick
478    Vivian
479    peppy
480    swatted
481    earlobes
482    snapshots
483    nitpicker
484    unities
485    depressants
486    briefing
487    halo
488    watermarking
489    electronics
490    inadequates
491    ghosted
492    rapscallions
493    snorkeler
494    percentages
495    relapsing
496    facet
497    inconsistently
498    takeout
499    acidify
500    password
[[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 09:15, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

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Mother Nature

In the New Liberal Terms section, I put the term Mother Nature in the list. Is it right?--Willminator 18:40, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

I won't argue whether or not Mother nature is a liberal term on the grounds that I think the distinction between conservative and liberal words is dubious at best, however it is most certainly not a new word. The idea of mother nature is as old as the ancient greeks or older. --Ben Talk 18:46, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

That's a clever way to dispose of a vexing question.--Andy Schlafly 18:56, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

Well I don't want to waste your time by arguing the point Mr. Schlafly. If you want to put the term back in feel free. --Ben Talk 19:24, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

How is it dubious? Also, I haven’t heard of any writings or speeches where the term Mother Nature was used hundreds of years ago. Show me at least one speech or writing where the term was used. Liberals use it to discredit Father God’s role in creation. They think that it was nature, not God, who made us. To Liberals, nature is their goddess. Funny how Wikipedia’s article on Mother Nature denies the atheistic, evolutionary and environmental implications of the term.--Willminator 19:55, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

Look up "Gaia" or "Terra Mater" - "Mother Nature" or "Mother Earth" has been around thousands of years. PaulBurnett 22:23, 16 June 2010 (EDT)
The idea of personifying all of nature as a woman surely predates the liberalism of 20th century and early 21st century America. But the way in which the natural world came into existence, specifically the planet Earth which supports all life known to exist, is unknown to science: speculation is not "science" unless expressed as a theory to which a counterexample could conceivably be found (see falsifiability).
Those scientists who deny God's role in Creation are committing the same intellectual offense they accuse intelligent design theorists of. It is also not "science" to comment on metaphysical ideas, unless we grant that the scientific method can be applied to matters beyond physical science.
The trick which liberals are playing with their anti-conservative words is to pretend that they are talking about one thing, while they are actually talking about another. This is literally the oldest trick in the book; recall that the serpent tempting Eve told her, "You will not die" yet Jesus explained later on many occasions that "life" and "death" correspond to being able or unable to love God. So eating the forbidden fruit did indeed cause Eve's death. (See verses like, "You have the name of being alive, but you are dead" in Revelations and, "Let the dead bury their own dead" in Luke 9)
We need precise definitions of words, to prevent being tricked and fooled by deceivers with a hidden agenda. The so-called "peace movement", for example, never wanted peace but simply the victory of America's anti-democratic enemies. The "save the earth" movement is not at all concerned with preserving the environment for the well-being of human beings: it's an excuse to increase centralized control over resources, in a way which will destroy prosperity, hurting the world's poor more than any one else.
Now it's a matter of personal belief for me that God has a feminine aspect; my church specifically teaches that the Holy Spirit is feminine, and that God is a being whose harmonized masculinity and femininity are reflected in men and women (see Gen. 1:27) but I won't preach here. The issue is the relationship between Nature and human beings.
Liberals claim that science has proved Evolution without providing any evidence for it, let alone discussing a means by which the theory might be falsified (thus providing a highly prominent example of pseudoscience). Then they misuse this idea to hint that science has also discovered the source of the physical world (Big Bang theory) and the origin of life. Of course, when pressed, they must concede that the Theory of Evolution does not tell us how life came into being. But high school biology textbooks write about life as if it simply "evolved" from inorganic chemicals. This, by the way, is a great example of how New Liberal Words are misused to trick people. --Ed Poor Talk 07:10, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
That's a fascinating analysis, Ed. Thank you for sharing it. I appreciate the suggestion that the Holy Spirit is feminine. Usually groups of people, like nations or large audiences, are considered to be more feminine than masculine in nature.--Andy Schlafly 10:13, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

"Bully pulpit"

How about "bully pulpit"? When Teddy Roosevelt coined this, "bully" meant something like "excellent" rather than overbearing.--Andy Schlafly 19:47, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

I guess it's kind of like the word gay. At first gay meant happy and now it means something else.--Willminator 19:55, 22 April 2010 (EDT)


I think this article needs a clear definition of what is meant by "conservative words." As I was reading it, I found it unclear as to whether it's about words invented by Conservatives or words representing Conservative values. I gather it's the latter, but I had to look in the talk page to find that. Either way, the introduction to the article isn't very clear and I'm reluctant to write a definition since I'm not sure I'm on the same page as the contributors. Would someone care to do that? EMorris 13:49, 2 June 2010 (EDT)

33 million sites turn up in a Google search for "anti-Christian" - Wrong!

For the term "anti-Christian" the article claims "thirty-three million sites turn up in a Google search."

Where did this number come from? Go to Google and type in "anti-Christian" (in quotes) and you get 945,000 hits. Type in "anti-Christian" (NOT in quotes - which is totally sloppy Googling) and you get 7,590,000 hits. Where did the "thirty-three million" come from? PaulBurnett 22:11, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

That's an interesting observation, Paul. The number of Google links retrieved for the search "anti-Christian" has fallen substantially. That begs the question of why.--Andy Schlafly 22:18, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

Adding Obama Portmanteaus

I've noticed the list does not have any of the Obama portmanteaus, like Obamanation, Obamunism, etc. Shouldn't these terms be added? They are great for described the unfortunate turn this country is taking. JonS 17:13, 27 June 2010 (EDT)


Conservative term imho. Seeker of greatness against the odds. Cinderella story. David (underdog) slays Goliath. The meek (underdog) shall inherit the Earth. --Jpatt 03:09, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

I agree that "underdog" is a conservative term, and I will promote it now. Thanks for mentioning this.--Andy Schlafly 08:42, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

Excellent scholarship

In the face of such well founded scholarship, Liberals will never manage to disprove the remarkable growth pattern illustrating the doubling per century of Conservative words. Nevertheless, perhaps the essay could be improved slightly by adding that Conservative words are words that express a Conservative concept or words that are used significantly more often by conservatives than Liberals. AmandaBunting 17:20, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

Not sure what confusion you're trying to clear up here. Conservatives words express insights that are conservative. These words are freely available to liberals and conservatives alike, though liberals may indeed irrationally try (in a fool's errand) to avoid using them.--Andy Schlafly 00:34, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Maggie Thatcher

Great article. How about some of Margaret Thatcher's great new conservative terms:

  • U-turn: What liberal politicians do all the time
  • There is no alternative: Liberals pretend that they have an alternative to conservative values
  • Oxygen of publicity: What liberals want to give to terrorists
  • Fight to win: What conservatives should do!

BenjyB 19:03, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

Get this! Adding those four terms takes the total for the 20th century to 160 - we're getting very close to a perfect geometric progression. BenjyB 19:07, 14 July 2010 (EDT)
Thanks for the suggestions, but I'm not sure the above terms meet the high quality level of the entries. Perhaps because "Maggie" was actually not very conservative by American standards? She seemed fine with nationalized health care, for example.--Andy Schlafly 00:29, 15 July 2010 (EDT)


quack, coined 1638, to refer to charlatans deceiving others with pseudoscience. Used extensively today to describe the favorite "medicines" of new-age liberals. DouglasA 20:40, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

Interesting and informative suggestion. However, the term strikes me as name-calling rather than insightful. I'm not sure its use would be consistent with our rules!--Andy Schlafly 00:26, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Kiss of Death

The term "Kiss of Death" clearly originated earlier than 1943, as the article would suggest, as there was a 1916 film by that name. In fact, I'm not convinced this was the origin of the term, which has probably been in use since Judas' betrayal. DanieleGiusto 22:01, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

Your link to Wikipedia is broken, and the movie was probably a literal rather than figurative use of the word. Merriam-Webster gives a date of 1943.--Andy Schlafly 00:24, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
Fixed the link; thanks for the heads-up. DanieleGiusto 13:38, 16 July 2010 (EDT)


Possibility for 1800's: Carpetbagger

While the term originally related specifically to northern politicians interjecting themselves into the politics of the Reconstruction-era south, it has since come to be used for political opportunists in a more general sense. Since this sort of behavior is common among Democrats (Hillary Clinton, anyone?) I'd argue that the term has value as a conservative word. --Benp 12:52, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

"Carpetbagger" is a fascinating suggestion. Hillary Clinton and Robert F. Kennedy were modern senatorial examples. Perhaps there are other modern examples also.--Andy Schlafly 16:45, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

Well...hmm. There's John Garamendi, the former lieutenant governor of California, who ran for election to the House in a district where he didn't live. His defense, as I recall, was "Well, I don't live there, but my front yard's in the district." (It wasn't.) --Benp 17:26, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

Research method

I just wanted to point out that actively looking for words to fit the geometric rate of growth, from a scientific point of view, is a biased method of research. You will ALWAYS find words in a 1-2-4-8 geometric growth rate, if that's what you actively look for. A more neutral research method would be to ***randomly*** (I can't stress it enough, it MUST be random) pick up, say, 1000 words created after 1600, and see if they match that growth rate.

This method CAN lead to a scientific result, mind you, but only after ALL words created after 1600 have been taken into account, whether they match the growth rate or not. Feel free to refute my reasoning if I made a logical flaw in it, and if you think that actively choosing words to fit a 1-2-4-8 growth rate has scientific validity, please explain me why I am wrong. Thank you! --MarcoT2 11:35, 20 July 2010 (EDT)


What does everyone else think about militant atheist? I had to listen to someone rail at me for being a Christian on the train this morning for an hour and it got me thinking. I've been hearing the term since I was a kid, but that would probably fall into the 20th century. William Ayers anyone? My argument in favor is that most of them try to pass themselves off as peaceful, tolerant, etc, when (only my opinion here) that isn't really the case. We should call it as we see it here. I can't provide a year, but maybe someone with more experience can? What do you think? Tyler Zoran Talk 13:23, 20 July 2010 (EDT)