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I think this is another good candidate for this list.  It's a song about a teenage girl who gives in to peer pressure and gets pregnant and the consequences of that action.  --[[User:Dfrischknecht|Dfrischknecht]] 09:02, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
 
I think this is another good candidate for this list.  It's a song about a teenage girl who gives in to peer pressure and gets pregnant and the consequences of that action.  --[[User:Dfrischknecht|Dfrischknecht]] 09:02, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
 
==Happiness is a Warm Gun==
 
 
Though perhaps the title of the song is somehow appealing to conservatives, one need only listen to the lyrics to realize that this is not a conservative song.  The lyrics are pretty sexual in nature (so much so that the BBC banned the song due to the sexual imagery) and John Lennon once stated that he used his sexual passion for Yoko Ono as inspiration.
 

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See this. Stryker 10:04, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

The neoconservative National Review list is 95% garbage, not conservative at all. I only found one tune on the list that should be added ours ("Stand by your man"), and National Review had it at #50.
The contrast here with National Review illustrates the need for Conservapedia. But thanks for your link.--Aschlafly 11:31, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Oops... it seems that I added a bunch of songs from that list. Several of mine (Brick, Red Barchetta, I Can't Drive 55, Sweet Home Alabama, and Revolution 1) were on there. That's interesting, though... the NR person and I thought alike on this one. DanH 17:16, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Sweet Home Alabama? I love that song (and I'm a liberal)! Revolution's great, too.--Autofire 18:29, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Sorry? Why was my entry for The Fall's Pseud Mag Ed removed? They have always been the great deflators of liberal complacency. What is going on?

Post a link to the lyrics of the song here and we'll see. Also, please sign your entries by using the signature button in the row above the edit box. Thanks.--Aschlafly 11:16, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Can a song possibly be just a song, rather than a political statement? - BornAgainBrit

Uh, sure, there are songs that lack any meaning at all. "I wanna hold your hand," for example, is a pleasant jingle from your homeland. I trust we'd agree that it is not the most meaningful song in the world. That tune is fun for reminiscing.
But surely you don't deny that many songs do have political meaning. Liberal attempts to deny political bias are familiar to us and no one here is fooled. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 13:37, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

The deletion of Bob Dylan's song was not properly explained. Observing that people serve either the devil or the Lord is a conservative observation, and of course Bob Dylan was a born-again Christian who expressed his faith in song (but don't expect liberals to tell you that).--Aschlafly 00:03, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

I didn't mean to step on any toes, but apathy towards devil worship doesn't seem to me like a very conservative trait. Unfortunately, the verses of the songs don't give us any meaning whatsoever, so the only meaning we can glean from the song are the four lines of the chorus, three of which are essentially the same :/ Jazzman831 14:06, 21 July 2007 (EDT)


Paradise by the Dashboard light? I know its a song about having pre-marital sex, but the end is about how it screwed up his life.--Elamdri 04:45, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

After reading this list, I've gotta ask, just how do you define a 'conservative' song?--Offeep 15:27, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Conservative is a term that is well-understood. A "conservative song" reflects some of those values without diluting them with a liberal message.--Aschlafly 15:42, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

I can't believe Okie from Muskogie isn't on here. Maestro 23:23, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

I know this is being nitpicky, but I don't like the message of Last Kiss because it seems to suggest a works salvation, that one gets to heaven by doing good rather than accepting Jesus. DanH 23:30, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

... and on that note, let's open up a can of Mountain Dew and get ready to Debate:Are we saved by faith or works? --Ed Poor Talk 17:16, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Last Kiss

Somebody just put up "Last Kiss;" actually I recall when it was a hit circa 1964 many adults, parents, teachers and ministers where horrified that a song about death was considered appropriate for young people. My my, how things had changed by 1967.... RobS 18:08, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Just like 'Teen Angel,' 'Leader of the Pack,' 'Dead Man's Curve,' and 'Tell Laura I Love Her.' Maestro 00:35, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

Possible Addition

Ok, I have a suggestion, but I want some feedback before putting it on the page. I was listening to the radio today, and Another Brick in the Wall by Pink Floyd came on. I was thinking that the song talks about the way that public schools brainwash children and turn them into "bricks" in the wall that is liberal society. In a way, the song is pro-homeschooling, because it's teachers that need to leave the kids alone so that parents can instruct their children correctly. Maybe I'm reaching a bit here, but I wanted to see what you all thought. SSchultz 00:23, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

I'm open to comments and suggestions about this, but I've never viewed the famous song "another brick in the wall" as conservative. You may be right that the song properly complains about the effect of schooling, but the song doesn't offer any conservative solution that I can see.--Aschlafly 01:10, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

Love Me, I'm a Liberal

I'm glad the commies were thrown out
Of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board

Hardly sounds like a Communist critique. Have you read all the lyrics of the song? [1] It's twitting liberals for their supposed concern for others, which is actually sorely lacking. --Ed Poor Talk 17:14, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

That song is pure sarcasm and Ochs assumes the role of a 1960s-era (Cold War era) "liberal" to attack them from the extreme left in a sarcastic way. Read the lyrics again, he is attacking the AFL-CIO for throwing out the commies. He is saying liberals aren't far left enough. It's not a conservative song, it's an extreme leftist one. Parrothead 17:22, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

So there's a song on this list about breaking the law 'I can't Drive 55,' and one about obeying the law 'I fought the law.' Which is the conservative value? And the Bobby Fuller Four's version of the latter was the superior version, BTW. Maestro 10:40, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

Are these truly conservative?

While I understand completely some of these songs being on here, I don't really understand the why Bob Dylan, The Beatles, or Ben Folds (Five) would be on this list. These individual songs may be able to be warped into our mindset, but if one truly looks at these, they become overwhelmingly liberal.

For example: The Beatles - Revolution While this song does indeed talk about how "Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao" will do no good, it also talks about how war and money can't solve problems. In addition, if a child is to read tis and decide to find out more about The Beatles, they will undoubtedly find some intensely liberal themes. The same idea goes for Bob Dylan. Look at any of his other songs. At the same time, Ben Folds does exactly the same thing.

I cannot argue with the songs and parts on this list, but I wonder if this is a slippery slope?

It's possible that many of these songs were adopted by conservatives, such as Mike Huckabee playing John Cougar Mellencamp's hits. Karajou 14:48, 18 February 2008 (EST)
Many of the songs here have a powerful conservative message, and demonstrate that the music industry does not have to be liberal.--Aschlafly 15:00, 18 February 2008 (EST)
P.S. Liberals do say conservative things from time to time. We're listing songs here, not artists.--Aschlafly 15:01, 18 February 2008 (EST)

In Your Eyes

Okay, the song can be considered to be about God, but that alone does not make it conservative. I think Peter Gabriel himself would object to the song's inclusion in this list. --MakeTomorrow 15:23, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Peter Gabriel can object all he likes. "In Your Eyes" appeals to conservative values, as in "a thousand churches." Do you think we should object when a liberal says something conservative???--Aschlafly 15:27, 18 February 2008 (EST)
Religion is not conservative. Fundamentalism is, but not religion. The presence of religion in a song does not make it conservative, even as adherence to religion does not make a person conservative. Look at me, I'm a Christian, but I'm also a communist. Obviously the two are not mutually exclusive. One's personal merely interpersonally-social morals under religion might be more "conservative", in the loosest sense of the term — not conservative, simply somewhat more so — than they would be otherwise; however, that does not automatically make one politically conservative.--MakeTomorrow 15:50, 18 February 2008 (EST)
The single best predictor of how conservative someone votes is how often he attends a place of worship of God. Your argument suggesting that you are a counterexample to that correlation means nothing. See point #2 in liberal logic.--Aschlafly 16:04, 18 February 2008 (EST)
That wasn't irrelevant at all. Correlation != causation. --MakeTomorrow 16:08, 18 February 2008 (EST)
Sorry, my edit summary should have been "basic statistical interpretation". --MakeTomorrow 16:09, 18 February 2008 (EST)
Why did you cite your counterexample, if it wasn't an example of the logical fallacy #2 in liberal logic? Do you really think a counterexample disproves causation?

Land of Confusion

Does Genesis' Land of Confusion belong on the list? I remember the music video portraying Ronald Reagan (in puppet form) as inept, and it parodies several conservative leaders, including Margaret Thatcher, et. al. WesleySHello! 13:58, 5 March 2009 (EST)

It's liberal lyric of "too many people" is enough reason to bounce it from the list. Thanks for catching this.--Andy Schlafly 18:53, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Should Fortunate Son really be on this list?

It's vehemently anti-war. Please correct if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's a very conservative belief. JRobbe

I just looked the lyrics. Pretty confused stuff. I'd agree it's not conservative. Would you like to toss it from the list? Please feel free to do so.--Andy Schlafly 20:26, 7 January 2010 (EST)
Done. JRobbe

Long Black Train by Josh Turner?

To me, this song seems like a good candidate for this list. --Dfrischknecht 07:14, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

The Decision by Ricky Van Shelton

I think this is another good candidate for this list. It's a song about a teenage girl who gives in to peer pressure and gets pregnant and the consequences of that action. --Dfrischknecht 09:02, 22 July 2010 (EDT)