Talk:Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs

See this. Stryker 10:04, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

The neoconservative National Review list is 95% garbage, not conservative at all. I only found one tune on the list that should be added ours ("Stand by your man"), and National Review had it at #50.

The contrast here with National Review illustrates the need for Conservapedia. But thanks for your link.--Aschlafly 11:31, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Oops... it seems that I added a bunch of songs from that list. Several of mine (Brick, Red Barchetta, I Can't Drive 55, Sweet Home Alabama, and Revolution 1) were on there. That's interesting, though... the NR person and I thought alike on this one. DanH 17:16, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Sweet Home Alabama? I love that song (and I'm a liberal)! Revolution's great, too.--Autofire 18:29, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Sorry? Why was my entry for The Fall's Pseud Mag Ed removed? They have always been the great deflators of liberal complacency. What is going on?

Post a link to the lyrics of the song here and we'll see. Also, please sign your entries by using the signature button in the row above the edit box. Thanks.--Aschlafly 11:16, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Can a song possibly be just a song, rather than a political statement? - BornAgainBrit

Uh, sure, there are songs that lack any meaning at all. "I wanna hold your hand," for example, is a pleasant jingle from your homeland. I trust we'd agree that it is not the most meaningful song in the world. That tune is fun for reminiscing.

But surely you don't deny that many songs do have political meaning. Liberal attempts to deny political bias are familiar to us and no one here is fooled. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 13:37, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

The deletion of Bob Dylan's song was not properly explained. Observing that people serve either the devil or the Lord is a conservative observation, and of course Bob Dylan was a born-again Christian who expressed his faith in song (but don't expect liberals to tell you that).--Aschlafly 00:03, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

I didn't mean to step on any toes, but apathy towards devil worship doesn't seem to me like a very conservative trait. Unfortunately, the verses of the songs don't give us any meaning whatsoever, so the only meaning we can glean from the song are the four lines of the chorus, three of which are essentially the same :/ Jazzman831 14:06, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Paradise by the Dashboard light? I know its a song about having pre-marital sex, but the end is about how it screwed up his life.--Elamdri 04:45, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

After reading this list, I've gotta ask, just how do you define a 'conservative' song?--Offeep 15:27, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Conservative is a term that is well-understood. A "conservative song" reflects some of those values without diluting them with a liberal message.--Aschlafly 15:42, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

I can't believe Okie from Muskogie isn't on here. Maestro 23:23, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

I know this is being nitpicky, but I don't like the message of Last Kiss because it seems to suggest a works salvation, that one gets to heaven by doing good rather than accepting Jesus. DanH 23:30, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

... and on that note, let's open up a can of Mountain Dew and get ready to Debate:Are we saved by faith or works? --Ed Poor ^Talk 17:16, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

Last Kiss

Somebody just put up "Last Kiss;" actually I recall when it was a hit circa 1964 many adults, parents, teachers and ministers where horrified that a song about death was considered appropriate for young people. My my, how things had changed by 1967.... RobS 18:08, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Just like 'Teen Angel,' 'Leader of the Pack,' 'Dead Man's Curve,' and 'Tell Laura I Love Her.' Maestro 00:35, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

Possible Addition

Ok, I have a suggestion, but I want some feedback before putting it on the page. I was listening to the radio today, and Another Brick in the Wall by Pink Floyd came on. I was thinking that the song talks about the way that public schools brainwash children and turn them into "bricks" in the wall that is liberal society. In a way, the song is pro-homeschooling, because it's teachers that need to leave the kids alone so that parents can instruct their children correctly. Maybe I'm reaching a bit here, but I wanted to see what you all thought. SSchultz 00:23, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

I'm open to comments and suggestions about this, but I've never viewed the famous song "another brick in the wall" as conservative. You may be right that the song properly complains about the effect of schooling, but the song doesn't offer any conservative solution that I can see.--Aschlafly 01:10, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

"Another Brick In The Wall" is more of a neutral song. Its part of a concept album in which the main character slowly seperates himself from society. Most Pink Floyd songs are about madness, due to their original lead singer going insane. TobyKeet 05:32, 24 November 2010 (EST)

Love Me, I'm a Liberal

I'm glad the commies were thrown out

Of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board

Hardly sounds like a Communist critique. Have you read all the lyrics of the song? [1] It's twitting liberals for their supposed concern for others, which is actually sorely lacking. --Ed Poor ^Talk 17:14, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

That song is pure sarcasm and Ochs assumes the role of a 1960s-era (Cold War era) "liberal" to attack them from the extreme left in a sarcastic way. Read the lyrics again, he is attacking the AFL-CIO for throwing out the commies. He is saying liberals aren't far left enough. It's not a conservative song, it's an extreme leftist one. Parrothead 17:22, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

So there's a song on this list about breaking the law 'I can't Drive 55,' and one about obeying the law 'I fought the law.' Which is the conservative value? And the Bobby Fuller Four's version of the latter was the superior version, BTW. Maestro 10:40, 10 September 2007 (EDT) I hope I did not misunderstand. Do these songs have to be OK'd before posting?

There are several on this list that really do not belong on a Conservative music list. Really, REO Keep on loving you? I got the message and now know I should not add foot notes regarding my thoughts on songs I don't believe belong. I have been sharing Conservapedia with many of my Conservative FB friends. Many on't know about it. Several have said the list was not really Conservative. I know some popular, Conservative musicians and they write nothing but Conservative music. I hope it was OK that I added some educational songs to the list. I love Conservapedia! Wikipedia is so liberal. When you read about Van Jones there, he's a great guy! Thank God for Conservapedia.

Are these truly conservative?

While I understand completely some of these songs being on here, I don't really understand the why Bob Dylan, The Beatles, or Ben Folds (Five) would be on this list. These individual songs may be able to be warped into our mindset, but if one truly looks at these, they become overwhelmingly liberal.

For example: The Beatles - Revolution While this song does indeed talk about how "Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao" will do no good, it also talks about how war and money can't solve problems. In addition, if a child is to read tis and decide to find out more about The Beatles, they will undoubtedly find some intensely liberal themes. The same idea goes for Bob Dylan. Look at any of his other songs. At the same time, Ben Folds does exactly the same thing.

I cannot argue with the songs and parts on this list, but I wonder if this is a slippery slope?

It's possible that many of these songs were adopted by conservatives, such as Mike Huckabee playing John Cougar Mellencamp's hits. Karajou 14:48, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Many of the songs here have a powerful conservative message, and demonstrate that the music industry does not have to be liberal.--Aschlafly 15:00, 18 February 2008 (EST)

P.S. Liberals do say conservative things from time to time. We're listing songs here, not artists.--Aschlafly 15:01, 18 February 2008 (EST)

I would just like add that Revolution 1 was written as a reaction against the protesters against the Vietnam War who were getting violent. All Revolution is saying is for the protesters to protest, but not violently, which is still liberal, but a message than other liberal songs. However, for other Beatles songs, they range from being liberal (Why Don't We Do It in the Road?) to be being kind of conservative (Let It Be). Most however, are pretty much neutral. You usually kind Paul McCartney as being more concervative, and Lennon as liberal. TobyKeet 05:28, 24 November 2010 (EST)

One problem with the above analysis: Why Don't We Do It In the Road was McCartney's; Lennon was rather famously not involved at all. Personally I've always thought of it as a kind of parody of the free love movement, though apparently that wasn't McCartney's intention. Ptorquemada 17:25, 4 April 2011 (EDT)

In Your Eyes

Okay, the song can be considered to be about God, but that alone does not make it conservative. I think Peter Gabriel himself would object to the song's inclusion in this list. --MakeTomorrow 15:23, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Peter Gabriel can object all he likes. "In Your Eyes" appeals to conservative values, as in "a thousand churches." Do you think we should object when a liberal says something conservative???--Aschlafly 15:27, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Religion is not conservative. Fundamentalism is, but not religion. The presence of religion in a song does not make it conservative, even as adherence to religion does not make a person conservative. Look at me, I'm a Christian, but I'm also a communist. Obviously the two are not mutually exclusive. One's personal merely interpersonally-social morals under religion might be more "conservative", in the loosest sense of the term — not conservative, simply somewhat more so — than they would be otherwise; however, that does not automatically make one politically conservative.--MakeTomorrow 15:50, 18 February 2008 (EST)

The single best predictor of how conservative someone votes is how often he attends a place of worship of God. Your argument suggesting that you are a counterexample to that correlation means nothing. See point #2 in liberal logic.--Aschlafly 16:04, 18 February 2008 (EST)

That wasn't irrelevant at all. Correlation != causation. --MakeTomorrow 16:08, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Sorry, my edit summary should have been "basic statistical interpretation". --MakeTomorrow 16:09, 18 February 2008 (EST)

Why did you cite your counterexample, if it wasn't an example of the logical fallacy #2 in liberal logic? Do you really think a counterexample disproves causation?

Land of Confusion

Does Genesis' Land of Confusion belong on the list? I remember the music video portraying Ronald Reagan (in puppet form) as inept, and it parodies several conservative leaders, including Margaret Thatcher, et. al. WesleyS^Hello! 13:58, 5 March 2009 (EST)

It's liberal lyric of "too many people" is enough reason to bounce it from the list. Thanks for catching this.--Andy Schlafly 18:53, 5 March 2009 (EST)

Should Fortunate Son really be on this list?

It's vehemently anti-war. Please correct if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's a very conservative belief. JRobbe

I just looked the lyrics. Pretty confused stuff. I'd agree it's not conservative. Would you like to toss it from the list? Please feel free to do so.--Andy Schlafly 20:26, 7 January 2010 (EST)

Done. JRobbe

Long Black Train by Josh Turner?

To me, this song seems like a good candidate for this list. --Dfrischknecht 07:14, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

The Decision by Ricky Van Shelton

I think this is another good candidate for this list. It's a song about a teenage girl who gives in to peer pressure and gets pregnant and the consequences of that action. --Dfrischknecht 09:02, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

New Agey

I removed the new agey phrase of "the cycle of life, death and rebirth," for the "Lightning Crashes," by Live, but feel free to discuss here.--Andy Schlafly 15:23, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

That wasn't meant to seem "new agey" in the least, but I do understand what you're saying. The song presents a view of life as being cyclical, as the baby is being born an old woman dies, and "The confusion that was hers belongs now to the baby down the hall." I think the lyrics really speak to the significance of life (not just at childbirth), but as a whole. I don't think the song is necessarily about the old woman being reincarnated as the newborn child, but it definitely seems to speak of the circle of life.JaneX 15:56, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

Perhaps a rewording would work then? How about replacing "the cycle of life, death and rebirth" with "the joy of childbirth in contrast with the end of life"?--Andy Schlafly 18:59, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

I agree that a rewording would work, thank you for working with me. Perhaps we could just say that the song celebrates the significance of life from birth until death, almost in an as one door closes another opens kind of way? JaneX 20:00, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

Song idea

"One Man, One Woman" sung by ABBA. Indirectly a tribute to traditional marriage and monogamy.--TedM 12:14, 12 January 2011 (EST)

Sounds good by the title, so how about adding it where you think it would be appropriate in the list? Thanks for your insight.--Andy Schlafly 12:17, 12 January 2011 (EST)

Yeah, I can't imagine many gay people liking ABBA. --Kotterdale3 (talk) 14:02, 27 July 2020 (EDT)

Takin' Care of Business

This song by BTO is on the list for supporting "Hard work ethic", but its not. The refrain is jokingly ironic. "I love to work at nothing all day; and I've been taking care of business"

The body of the song describes a more easy going life just making music rather than waking up early, catching trains for work, etc.

I'm not saying it makes the song liberal, and not sure why its even necessary to classify songs along political lines, but it sure as heck ain't about working hard. I'd suggest if someone wants to keep it here because its a good song, and if people can only enjoy it because it conforms to their political views, than change the reason to "Mike Huckabee performed the song" [comment by AndrewJackson]

You left out how the song praises the self-employed, which is a very conservative, hard-working group of people.--Andy Schlafly 22:55, 21 March 2011 (EDT)

Fair enough, but the praise you speak of is "If you ever get annoyed [with, based on earlier lyrics, either your traditional job or the unpleasant commute involved], look at me, I'm self-employed; I love to work at nothing all day." That could be taken as either "I made so much money as an entepreneur that I no longer need to work" or "My official job title is 'Bum'." Neither one of them really expresses admiration for "hard work" in its own right, though the former is certainly a more positive role model than the latter. I do like the song, but I'm not entirely sanguine about considering it "conservative." Ptorquemada 17:36, 4 April 2011 (EDT)

Adonai My Lord

I'm going to delete this song from the list, as it is from the atheistic industrial metal genre. The lyrics reflect a sort of militant Christianity that does not reflect well on the religion as a whole. For example, this group has a song called "Christf---"...obviously they are not conservative. DennyW66 01:14, 23 March 2011 (EDT)

No U2?

Surely -- despite the band's liberal leanings -- one of U2's unashamedly Christian songs should make it in. Gloria seems the obvious choice. The chorus, you may remember, goes: "Gloria, in te domine/ Gloria, exultate/ Gloria, Gloria/ Oh Lord, loosen my lips." --Jdixon 12:34, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

Agreed. Gloria is definitely a good choice. Perhaps "40"; its lyrics are directly lifted from Psalm 40. DennyW66 12:43, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

You're kidding right? Conservative indeed.. MaxFletcher 22:06, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

Bono has had a relationship with every President since Clinton; for instance, he worked with Bush on issues relating to Africa and AIDS awareness. The band is very Christian and in no way ashamed of their Christianity. And, rare for rock stars, three of the four members of the band are married family men. They are known for their charitableness and philanthropy, which are of course conservative traits. Without a doubt, U2 is a conservative, Christian band and they should have representation on this list. DennyW66 22:21, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

Gloria's a good choice, please add it if you agree. But U2 became increasingly liberal the more media attention it obtained.--Andy Schlafly 10:07, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

Maybe it's possible to be Christian and pro-family, and yet left-leaning politically. Anyway, I vote for "Beautiful Day" ... The heart is a bloom / Shoots up through the stony ground / But there's no room / No space to rent in this town

Reminds me of how inhospitable this fallen world can be to the spirits of believers trying to lead a godly life in the midst of a secular world which often seems to be ruled by the devil (John 12:31). Yet God's love is there, like sunshine! --Ed Poor ^Talk 14:53, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

Brothers in Arms - Dure Straits

I would like to suggest Brothers in Arms by Dire Straits. It's about war and having ones "brother's in arms" in support. MaxFletcher 17:32, 4 April 2011 (EDT)

If there is no argument to it's inclusion I'll add it soon. Let me know your thoughts though...MaxFletcher 17:42, 5 April 2011 (EDT)

YMCA?

I'd always heard that the Village People's YMCA was about homosexual men seducing other men? That doesn't sound very conservative to me. Is this just a rumor? --JustinD 12:45, 12 May 2011 (EDT)

This was obviously added as a joke, and no one else seems to have realized it! TriciaS 12:25, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

Nope - the song is a legitimate tribute to the Young Men's Christian Association.--Andy Schlafly 13:19, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

Right. And Antony came to bury Caesar, not to praise him. "It's fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A. / They have everything that you need to enjoy, / You can hang out with all the boys..." TriciaS 13:32, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

It was probably written about more savory activities at the Y but later became identified as a gay anthem. I don't think it's a "conservative song" if it's overwhelmingly associated with homosexuality. Nate 13:43, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

The song is a good faith tribute and attempts to redefine it are not factual.--Andy Schlafly 15:10, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

Does anyone have any solid sources one way or the other as to what this song means? I tried some brief googling, but didn't turn up anything at all trustworthy. --JustinD 22:35, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

The band leader said it was a legitimate tribute to the Young Men's Christian Association, and we respect original meaning at Conservapedia.--Andy Schlafly 22:40, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

Awesome. Do you have a source for that I can add?--JustinD 21:28, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

Really? Have You Looked Into These Songs?

I'd just like to say that I think it's really jacked that you're going around and trying to SAY what these songs mean. For example, Metallica is NOT a conservative band. James Hetfield was a heavy drinker until he went to rehab, Kirk Hammett suffered from drug addiction during his teen years, and if you listen to any other song you hear that they are NOT a conservative band.

Furthermore, Journey is NOT a conservative band. Steve Perry openly voted for Obama in 2008. --Beanna 20:04, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

This isn't a list of conservative bands. It's a list of conservative songs. Even liberals are capable of occasionally singing a conservative song.--Andy Schlafly 21:19, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

An idea...

I was looking at this list and realised that most of the songs listed here are big hit numbers. I was thinking that it might be interesting to look at whether the more conservative a song is the better it does on the charts. Even though the artist might be liberal it seems there bigger hits are in fact conservative songs! Maybe by charting something like this we could prove that people respond better to the conservative message and perhaps change the minds of some liberal singers. Just an idea. MaxFletcher 20:31, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

We could add the respective chart ranking to this page and then collate the results by rank and date. Perhaps, like the conservative words, we might even see the same pattern repeated here! MaxFletcher 20:48, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

Great idea!--Andy Schlafly 22:01, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

It'll be a big project though so it'll be awhile for me to collate the results but I fear that we'll find that the majority of new hits are liberal in nature (particulalry coming from M&M and Usher etc) but I think that is because of the "hollywood" influence. Interestingly artists distanced from "fame" have better messages and still produce amazing hits. MaxFletcher 23:11, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

From a youngin'

Citizen/Soldier by 3 Doors Down. I don't know about the band themselves, but any song that supports the National Guard should be listed here, in my honest option. If no one minds, I'll add it.

Wish you were here

This is a good list of songs, but as far as I know, Wish you were here (the title track, along with the entire eponymous album) was not dedicated to a conservative president, but rather to ex-Pink Floyd member Syd Barrett. --Leo-from-UK 19:19, 16 June 2011 (EDT)

I agree that this needs a citation, given that it is so contrary to the conventional story. I've looked for one, but every indication points to it being inspired by Syd Barrett, not a conservative leader (indeed; one would think, Pink Floyd being made up of Englishmen, that it would be a conservative PM, not President.). --User:Monty

Two song suggestions

Hallowed Be Thy Name - Iron Maiden

1) Like Welcome to the Family, it's about death row, but not anti-death penalty.

2) Multiple references to an afterlife. "Tears they flow but why am I crying?/After all I am not afraid of dying/Don't I believe that there never is an end?" and later in the song: Mark my words believe my soul lives on/Don't worry now that I have gone/I've gone beyond to seek the truth".

3) The very title of the song is derived from the Lord's Prayer, which is also implied to be the protagonist (in the song)'s final words.

Declaration Day - Iced Earth

The whole thing is about the American war for independence, so it's probably a good choice for the list.

I'll add them for the time being, but if most of you think they don't go, I'll take them down.

Thanks for suggesting them, but I don't see much that is conservative in your first suggestion other than acceptance of an afterlife (or judgment). That's an important message, but some of the religious references seem to be simply an attempt to give the song gravitas. Perhaps others have some insights about this.--Andy Schlafly 22:54, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

Perhaps it's time to branch out and create a category or essay on "Songs of interest to conservatives" or Songs that Conservatives like.

I like a lot of songs, even if I would be hard pressed to say why they are "conservative songs". Not every song or book or movie I like is Conservative, and I think it's important to be broad-minded enough not to condemn everything that isn't 100% in line with my beliefs and values.

In fact, I go even further and say that one of the main differences between liberals and conservatives is that liberals are supremely narrow-minded. All the talk about "tolerance" is a one way street with them. They want us to tolerate their radical notions, but they are ready at the drop of a hat to kick us out of their cushy little world any time we offer a different idea.

You would never hear of a Bible-belt Christian walking up to a famous liberal author and kicking his wine glass over at a picnic, saying, "We don't allow liberals here." (see Glen Beck in NYC). --Ed Poor ^Talk 23:35, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

I don't think Lola qualifies

IIRC, it ends with a complete lack of repentance -- "I'm glad I'm a man, and so is Lola". I don't think that this song qualifies as conservative if it celebrates that which we abhor.

Our sister project, Wikipedia, says the song "details a romantic encounter between a young man and a transvestite" (hardly a conservative theme). --Ed Poor ^Talk 12:09, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

Overhaul the "Greatest Conservative Songs"

I think this is something that needs to happen before this Essay begins to get out of control. GCSs Essay needs to reorganized into some sort of categorical order—be it alphabetical or otherwise—in order to clean up the Essay and to provide clarity to avoid double posting. I will be happy to categorize it alphabetically by either the artist or song. -- Austenbosten 13:00, 26 July 2011 (EDT)

I've just rewritten most of the page. Everything is nearly exactly the same, except for a small amount of rephrasing to keep things grammatically correct. I've added peak chart position for every song, but in the interest of making that data comparable, I've limited it to US chart positions. There are some songs (like Brothers In Arms) which charted well in other countries, but didn't chart at all in the US. I eliminated two duplicate entries - Ballad of the Green Berets, and God's Gonna Cut You Down. Enjoy. CGoodwin

Good work CGoodwin. Maybe we can have the same revision for Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies. KBarnett 15:47, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

CGoodwin, your tabular format and ranking information is interesting. Well done. But surely Amazing Grace has been more popular than just about every other song on the list. How should the table reflect that?--Andy Schlafly 20:05, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

Billboard popularity only measures against how everything else is selling at the same time. If an song sold 100 copies a week for 20 years, it would never crack the charts. The other thing is that there are over 3000 recorded versions of the song. The highest charting individual version I've found is Elvis's, which reached #79. If you want to reflect a broader historical sense of popularity, I'd suggest doing a personal ranking. CGoodwin

Great Job CGoodwin! Very clean and will definatly help those looking to post songs to check to see if they are or are not already posted. -- Austenbosten 16:32, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

Particle man? Really?

I think someone must be sabotaging this page. I fail to see how "Particle man" qualifies as an allegory, rather than fun wordplay around a tune not entirely unlike the Spiderman theme song.

I have to agree on this one, I looked up what people think is the meaning, and seems its more likely an atheist song then a conservative one. KenN

No Johnny Cash?

Have there really been no suggestions for Johnny Cash songs here? So many of his works discuss the importance of faith, of accepting Jesus, or praise the values of small town country life over the extravagant lifestyles many liberals seem to push for.--MorrisF 12:54, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

I put in a traditional song and gave the Johnny Cash version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IStlBOX9F4o Conservative 20:24, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

I think Man in Black should make the list as well.--JamesWilson 20:43, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

You could make a good argument for a good percentage of his work. I added Country Trash, mostly because it's a fun favorite of mine, and I'm sure a bunch more of his would fit too.--MorrisF 00:40, 1 September 2011 (EDT)

YMCA

"YMCA", "In the Navy", "San Francisco", and "Macho Man" are NOT conservative songs. They're celebrations of the gay lifestyle. They never did any conservative songs. Have you actually listened to the words

This point has already been discussed above. Also, please sign your posts. Jcw 21:12, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

Sorry, this is my first post here. Seem to have omitted a heading as well. Nealstar 19:22, 19 August 2011 (MST)

Tenacious D

I would like to put Tribute by Tenacious D forward. I know it's a comedy single, but it's also a very popular song about overcoming Satan and alludes to many other Christian themes such as heaven and hell.GMilhouse 14:00, 28 August 2011 (BST)

Deep sixed YMCA by Village People, keep it buried

These are not conservative lyrics in the song YMCA: "You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, You can do whatever you feel" [2] This is not a conservative video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k

I think a lot of the songs listed should be scrapped. This was the most egregious case. For example, how conservative are songs written by long haired guy rockers or homosexual rockers? Shouldn't the authors of the songs have any bearing? Conservative 20:19, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

I withhold judgment on how conservative the song is. As Andy said, further up this page "This isn't a list of conservative bands. It's a list of conservative songs. Even liberals are capable of occasionally singing a conservative song." CGoodwin

Andy did not realize the song had the verse: "You can do whatever you feel" [3] Definitely not conservative. And please tell me why you think this video is conservative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k Again, not conservative. Staying buried - no resurrection here folks, move on. Conservative 22:16, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

So, a young man getting in touch with his emotions, crying because he's down in the world, and being hugged by another sympathetic boy is wrong? Duly noted. ~ JonG ~ 22:17, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

Why don't we wait until Andy has commented as he wanted to keep it in and we should defer to him. MaxFletcher 22:21, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

Does this mean we should go back and analyze ever music video too? In "Alive" by POD, the person is violating the law by not wearing a seatbealt.

And for a song suggestion, "Hands Held High" by Linkin Park. ~ JonG ~ 22:44, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

Victor Willis, the heterosexual ex-lead singer of the Village People and writer of "Y.M.C.A." actually did intend the song to be a legitimate tribute to the Young Men's Christian Association, according to an interview from this article. He "never intended the homosexual innuendo that many fans read into the song," and really the only thing gay about the video posted by User:Conservative is the fact that some of the people in it actually are gay. Did you know that Victor Willis left the band because he was frustrated with the flamboyancy of some of his gay band-mates and with the band's gay image? --AaronT 19:01, 1 September 2011 (EDT)

Your comment is misleading and (perhaps deliberately) ignores the writer's well-known liking for double entendre; the reference in the group's name ("Village People") the gay lifestyle of Greenwich Village, and that (as even Wikipedia concedes) the group was "Originally created to target disco's gay audience". [4]

I think you need to find another project to join. You're not helping us provide trustworthy information. --Ed Poor ^Talk 14:07, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

This Land Is Your Land (Woody Guthrie)

The removal makes sense. The song seems to be an ode against private property.--Andy Schlafly 00:19, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

It's hard to say. Guthrie took the side of the laboring man against the (perceived) indifference of the wealthy, at a time when unions had only recently appeared on the scene to provide collective bargaining power and relieve the masses from exploitation on the heels of the Industrial Revolution. But the line, "This land was made for you and me" could refer either to the abolition of private property (as advocated by Karl Marx and the Communists), or to God's bountiful blessing upon the settlers of the New World.

Like all great art, this song contains some ambiguity and requires the listener's interpretation. Like "Consider Yourself" (from Oliver!), there's a mixture of idealistic brotherhood with hint of the sort of knavery we associate with Robin Hood. --Ed Poor ^Talk 13:58, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

There is an alternate version that's something like "This land is my land, it isn't your land involving guns and shooting trespassers.--CamilleT 14:59, 20 September 2011 (EDT)

"An" alternate version? There are dozens of extra verses beyond the 3 we use at Bible camp. --Ed Poor ^Talk 22:39, 20 September 2011 (EDT)

I had a friend that used to sing it. I thought it relevant to the discussion. But you're right, a catchy tune is a catchy tune--CamilleT 02:43, 21 September 2011 (EDT)

"Jerusalem"

I don't think that Jerusalem is a conservative song. We were taught at school that it was a call to arms against industrialization and hence is it is also anti-capitalist, also I don't think that any song Billy Bragg has recorded can be called conservative.--14:20, 20 September 2011 (EDT)Jloveday

You have got to be kidding me

Seven Nation Army is not about conservatives and if you knew anything about The White Stripes you would know that they are NOT conservative in the least (I believe Jack White had his wedding conducted by a shaman). Also, in the description of Sympathy for the Devil, I've yet to meet a perfect person, so I would remove that part of the description. Finally, Wouldn't It Be Nice isn't about marriage, it's just about idyllic teenage love, marriage is just incidental. GiveMeLiberty 09:21, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

Thanks for noticing the error. It may have been added by a liberal hoaxer. You removed other items such as Fox News contributions to Hussein Obama. I am curious as to why you wouldn't remove it? You've got to be kidding me skit is a little dramatic.--Jpatt 11:15, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

I removed the items form FNC b/c I felt they were unimportant to the network in the grand scheme of things and didn't belong in the lead. And yeah, You have got to be kidding me is probably a bit dramatic. As for not editing, I though I couldn't edit, as it was unavailable to me when I posted here. GiveMeLiberty 18:25, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

The River?

Bruce Springsteen's The River doesn't belong here, in my opinion. Springsteen is liberal and pro-union, and the only reference to unions in the song I could find is where the singer got a union card and a wedding coat. Naturally, pre-marital relations are a big part of the song, but the singer never explicitly (or really implicitly) regrets them.--James Wilson 09:00, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

Great points. Feel free to delete that song.--Andy Schlafly 11:18, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

wish you were here

can someone explain how this song belongs here? I mean, yeah, its a great song, but it seems pretty...well it certainly doesn't even get close to implying that it is about wanting a conservative president....the lryics seem to be written about a romantic interest. I would advise removing it from the list --AlexanderSz 17:04, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

Yeah, that was added by a liberal troll. Thanks--Jpatt 17:14, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

I believe the song was about their original band member Syd.--Jpatt 17:17, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

Thank you for giving me another chance

I was briefly banned here for tampering. I really did not tamper with anyone's entries. I have not been here 24 hours yet. However, I am going to be afraid to post now because I was so quickly banned. I have nothing but the utmost respect for this site. I am so sick of Wikipedia and it's liberal bias. I often come here when I look up something there and realize I am just reading spin.

I do have a couple of concerns with this song list. I realize we have more important things to be concerned with right now. Truth is, a famous musician asked me not to post his song on the list because of the liberal activists on the list.

I do not want to step on anyone's toes. I like Pearl Jam and Tracy Chapman too; I bought their albums. Both are liberal activists and both have raised money for Obama. Can a song truly be Conservative if the artists are liberal activists?

Pearl Jam even wrote a bad song for Obama. Obama Song They have even performed at rallies to raise money for him. Obama Rally

Tracy Chapman has also raised money for liberal causes, but not specifically for Barack Obama. Her song, "Fast Car" is about a woman who lives in the ghetto, falls in love with an alcoholic, dreams of changing him and realizes she cannot. She leaves him. I am not convinced that is a Conservative song. I am not concerned with the liberal artists on the list...just the liberal activists. They raise money to fight against the Conservative cause.

Liberal musicians have saturated the market for decades. Many songs are written to indoctrinate our youth. Conservative artists are not easily accepted by the mainstream industry. There is liberal peer pressure. And if a song is pro-Conservative, forget it.

Just my opinion. Please contact me with any concerns. I love this site and want to be part of it. I am working on more serious entries, but I have to get the feel of the way the site works. I would appreciate a warning before you block me. I will eagerly correct anything in order to stay here. I was so hurt when I was blocked.

Thanks for reading. SusanF

re: Organizing the list

I would be happy to volunteer to alphabetize the list. I think putting the songs in categories would be difficult because some songs can belong in more than one category.

I don't want to do anything like that without permission from administrators. I would be happy to do it though. It's confusing the way it is.

You're welcome to organize it as you think best ... as long as its conciseness, most-important-songs-first presentation is not diluted. The Wikipedia-style of up-front tables of contents and sometimes obscure-information-first is disfavored here.--Andy Schlafly 13:22, 27 November 2011 (EST)

I was just going to put all of it in alphabetical order. I am not familiar with Wiki-style as I never spend much time on there. I get annoyed at the liberal bias. I better bow out of this project because what is "most important" to some will not be for others. I thought having the songs in alphabetical order would make them easy to locate.

Improvements are welcome, but I doubt alphabetizing the list, so that obscure titles end up near the top, would improve it. When visitors look at the page, they'd probably like to see some popular songs first.--Andy Schlafly 23:35, 27 November 2011 (EST)

I decided I would take on the task of organizing the list. I will categorize the songs, separate them and put them in alphabetical order per category.

Does that sound alright with everyone? I will not remove any songs. If there is something you do not like, tell me. Please just don't block me without telling me to change something back. This is going to take some time. "Most important songs" is a matter of opinion so I have to try to figure out what is "most important" to Conservapedia. Thank you Susan F. 23:55, 27 November 2011 (EST)

Categorizing sounds like a good idea. Let me know if you need help. --Ed Poor ^Talk 00:05, 28 November 2011 (EST)

Thank you. I am sure I will take you up on that offer of help.

Susan F. 00:24, 28 November 2011 (EST)

Another suggestion: In the interests of consistency and correct form, song titles should be in quotation marks; album titles should be in italics. BryanF 17:24, 4 January 2013 (EST)

Karajou let me know...

That I need to supply an article when I post a song and an artist. I did not know that. I am working on that right now.

It's odd that I cannot reply to messages I get. I wanted to contact Karajou myself, but I could not find a way to do that. I consider myself computer savvy, but this site is a little confusing.

Thanks.

Please be patient

I've spent a lot of time categorizing the songs, careful not to step on anyone's toes. I am not finished yet. I am working the on the "Spiritual" section and more.

This page is full of parodies !

I remove the following, feel free to contest my decisions

• Don't Tread On Me (Metallica) - Absolutely nothing to do with Conservative (or maybe: To secure peace is to prepare for war  ??)
• Hypnotize (System of a Down ) - You must be kidding here, SOAD is one of the most left-winged band in the US. And Hypnotize say nothing about liberals !
• Walking Contradiction / Warning / Boulevard of Broken Dreams (Green Day) - Mostly anti-Bush (good job, vandals !)
• When We Stand Together (Nickelback) - How is it Conservative ?
• A Better Tomorrow (Wu-Tang Clan) - Fail to see any conservative value here.
• The Beautiful People (Marylin Manson) - OMG, is Marylin Manson a conservative symbol now ? (Hate every motherf***** + anti-capitalist)
• Me Against The World (Simple Plan) - If you accept this explanation, you might accept any song
• Pray (Justin Bieber) - A song about supporting your country, really ?

And I believe there is a lot more ! --PhilipN 00:01, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Speaking of "Pray", do you think MC Hammer's song of the same name could be included? It's a little self-indulgent, but it's mostly about hard work and giving thanks. I'll stick it in, but feel free to remove it if you disagree WilcoxD 00:08, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Of course, this one looks to be about praying and working hard. --PhilipN 00:11, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Not Justin Bieber, lolol. I've removed a handful prior. Good work.--Jpatt 00:13, 5 January 2012 (EST)

But in the very first example above, the phrase "to secure peace is to prepare for war" is conservative -- it wouldn't surprise me if Reagan said something similar.--Andy Schlafly 00:17, 5 January 2012 (EST)

I am not sure but it does not seem really conservative to me, I let you judge: [5] --PhilipN 00:20, 5 January 2012 (EST)

As to your second example, the politics of the band itself is often irrelevant, as I've had to say repeatedly here. Liberals are capable of saying conservative things, and there are circumstances when a liberal may be in the best position to criticize something about other liberals.

Sometime you might listen carefully to the lyrics of Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.--Andy Schlafly 00:26, 5 January 2012 (EST)

I think the same is often true for conservatives as well. It is why Reagan was in such a good position to raise taxes for instance. SammyP 00:43, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Hardly. Reagan cut tax rates more than anyone else in his position.--Andy Schlafly 00:46, 5 January 2012 (EST)

This article has a good description of taxes under Reagan. In short, when Reagan entered office he enacted a large tax cut, but the deficit grew too large and he had to enact the largest ever peace time tax increase. It would have been easy for a liberal to cut taxes like Reagan did, but as you pointed out above, someone of the opposite party might have had difficulty in enacted the tax increases he pushed through. SammyP 00:59, 5 January 2012 (EST)

The article obscures rather than illuminates. Reagan's tax-cutting record is far better than any other modern president, despite inheriting an awful economic climate.--Andy Schlafly 01:14, 5 January 2012 (EST)

I'm sorry, I'm unsure how this assertion squares with the facts. Could you explain what you mean given the changes in tax policy that occurred during the Reagan presidency? SammyP 01:23, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Nice to have Krista Branch here!

She is a great singer!

Takin care of business?

The song, although catchy, is about avoiding work. "It's the work that we avoid, cuz were all self employed; wew love to work at nothing all day." This must be removed Sy20 21:58, 10 March 2012 (EST)

why don't you get a job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhalnCwP82s The Offspring's song about freeloading girlfriends and boyfriends might make a good addition, since it shows the value of hardwork. I'd ad it myself, but am bad at formatting stuff. Could someone who is more familiar with wiki formatting add it? thanks AlexanderSz 18:29, 30 March 2012 (EDT)

Devil is a Loser

How about 'Devil is a Loser' by Rock/Metal band Lordi? the lyrics (about a failed 'deal with the devil') are opposed to the idea that actions do not have consequences ('You wanted everything the easy way, you wanted gain without pain, now your bill is in the mail') which appears to fit quite well with conservative values. I would add it myself, but I am not totally sure how, and also I realise that as this is rather a 'family friendly' site the chorus -' 'Cause the devil is a loser and he's my b---h' - might be a bit of a problem. If no one objects then I'll work out how to add it some time.Cmurphynz 00:16, 21 June 2012 (EDT)

Suggestion

How about God Put A Smile Upon Your Face by Coldplay, I think ot should be recognised that some bands are still turning out Conservative songs today. BMacD 11:20, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Sounds like a good addition - please feel free to include it by editing the entry.--Andy Schlafly 11:30, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Tenacious D

A Tenacious D song alluding to christian themes? Does being christian automatically make the person conservative? Well, both members of the band are atheists and have publicly supported John Kerry's and Barack Obama's campaigns. They really don't sound conservative to me.... User:Abean21 4:00, December 1, 2012

Here's a good one - "Taxman" by The Beatles.

Ok, first off: it's true The Beatles were REALLY liberal. But, "Taxman" is one of their songs in which they actually support conservative values. It's basically an attack on the excessive taxes put in place by the left-wing Labour Party government of Harold Wilson. George Harrison said that, "'Taxman' was when I first realised that even though we had started earning money, we were actually giving most of it away in taxes. It was and still is typical." Because The Beatles were in the highest tax bracket, they had to pay a 95% tax rate - not even Obama has gone that far!...at least, not yet. (I'm sure he would LOVE to though.) Anyway, I just want to make sure this is ok to add. Even though The Beatles may have been ultra-left wing, the song itself is conservative.--ComputerScientist 10:41, 18 June 2013 (EDT)

Popular songs based on the Bible

Can anyone put in the songs from here into this article?--JoeyJ 12:43, 22 June 2014 (EDT) Yes, anyone who edits can - and as an added bonus, I will.--Abcqwe 19:30, 22 February 2017

Older Christian/conservative popular songs

Before I add these to the list, might I receive concurrence in that these songs belong on the list? These all contain Christian messages of various subtlety:

• "Ac-Cent-Tchu-Ate the Positive" by Bing Crosby and the Andrews Sisters
• "One Love" by Bob Marley
• "Mrs. Robinson" by Simon and Garfunkel
• "Hunk of Burning Love" by Elvis Presley
• "Stoned Soul Picnic" by the 5th Dimension (more questionable)

As for this, it describes an illegitimate child who desires to live:

• "Love Child" by the Supremes

These two encourage fidelity:

• "Don't Sit Under the Apple Tree" by Glenn Miller or the Andrews Sisters
• "Tie a Yellow Ribbon 'Round the Old Oak Tree" by Tony Orlando and Dawn

And this encourages listeners to avoid listening to every message spoken by some ranter (during the Vietnam War, these were the liberal protestors):

• "Stop Children (What's that Sound?)" by Buffalo Springfield

Additionally, if there are any other older songs that are not hymns but still conservative, please discuss them here.

Genre

You guys have got to redo the genres. 'Classic' isn't a genre. Sinatra is swing and pop. Not 'classic'. Miles Davis is jazz. Not 'classic'. Vive Liberté! 22:14, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

Will do. "Classic" will now become "classical," and refer to things like Handel's Messiah and the Pastoral Symphony.--Nathan (talk) 09:13, 25 May 2017 (EDT)

Just to be clear: they've been sorted into four categories, classical, country, pop, and rock. "Pop," includes traditional music, because it is popular, and folk, jazz, etc. "Rock," includes rap, because I don't want to sift through the trash to sort them apart. I'll sift through the recycling instead to separate pop now, into things like the "spiritual" subgenre.--Nathan (talk) 10:29, 25 May 2017 (EDT)

Battle Hymn of the Republic

One of my pet peeves is that popular, well-known songs are frequently messed with by various individuals to make their version stand out. This specific hymn is no exception--it's hard to find a pure copy. For example, the one linked to on this page is pretty good, but they messed with tempo. Would anyone object to me replacing that link with one such as this, which is at least a little better (although they still mess with tempo and volume)? Does anyone know of a better version? --David B ^(TALK) 10:52, 19 December 2017 (EST)

Counter-culture politically incorrect Christian songs

Some of the greatest conservative songs are ones that go directly against the debauchery of mainstream un-Godly culture. Bonus points if it happens to be something that is really bothersome to Liberals and/or Atheists. But of course, it must be based on Biblical truth, not like something the Westboro Baptist Church would do. Shobson20 (talk) 00:15, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

Good points. Please feel free to add any additional conservative songs that you think of.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 01:08, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

Switch to quotation marks

I'd like to switch the songs in the tables to quotation marks instead of italics. Sometimes people get touchy about these little orthographical things, especially if they think the person changing them to something different is just indulging their own taste. But I really do think they're a better choice, not on the basis of my personal taste, but because:

• Sometimes on large articles, like this very page, that appear in wikis, albums, songs from albums, books, short stories from books might be discussed in the one article, and the conflict of classifications that would ensue could thus be avoided. Here, there might be notes that mention the name of the album where a song is from, and there are already songs mentioned with neither italics nor quotation marks whose titles for all the stronger reason ought to be standardized.
• Because of the presence of these large articles, there ought to be at least an informal site-wide orthographic style-standard differentiating between song names and album names for now so literate discussions of these genres look consistent and thus more easily readable, even if they for whatever reason aren't placed in the Conservapedia style guide just yet.

I also notice some people introduce issues that are more contentious than they might be to sweep attention to their interests whether they're deserving of being called pressing issues or not. But I'd like to say up front that I don't want to place any time pressure on this. If anyone wants to reply feel free to reply within the month, and if you'd like the free time of more than a month to think about it, please just mention that here, and we'll "keep it off the radar" for whatever time you'd like. Thank you! VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 07:29, 10 May 2019 (EDT)

Okay, I am switching the songs from italics to quotation marks as soon as in a week, if nobody objects. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 01:30, 2 August 2019 (EDT)

I'll try to get a good start this morning VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 09:09, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Stairway To Heaven?

No offense, but I do not see how it fits into the list. --LW97 (talk) 07:58, 29 September 2019 (EDT)

Yes, I'm not really sure why that one is on this list either... --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 12:23, 18 March 2020 (EDT)

Regarding the war debate and the Bible

I discovered there are many Conservatives that are anti-pacifism but not pro-war. They especially are common in Orthodox Christian circles, based on their understanding of Matthew 5:9. Many believe that the sword in Luke 22:36 is not literal. Here an example: [6] --LW97 (talk) 08:05, 29 September 2019 (EDT)

"Born In The USA" - should it be listed?

Does this song qualify for this list? I don't know the song or the singer, but it sounds rather derogatory at first glance. [7] --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 12:21, 18 March 2020 (EDT)

I'm thinking someone should really audit the list here...we get a lot of singe-purpose accounts dropping songs on here, and some of them don't seem to fit. For example, why is "Stayin' Alive" on this list? Popular? Yes. Conservative? Not really. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 12:30, 18 March 2020 (EDT)

It's not. It's an anti-Vietnam song. It's already in the worst liberal song list. Shobson20 (talk) 12:42, 18 March 2020 (EDT)

You guys are tripping on something serious

"House on the Rising Sun" is about a brothel, and the refrain is "And God, I know I'm one" not "In God I know I've won". --Kotterdale3 (talk) 13:43, 27 July 2020 (EDT)

Thanks for the comment. I'll research its lyrics.

Linkin Park

An editor deleted Linkin Park's entries by claiming that "Linkin Park does not create conservative songs." Let's look at its lyrics. People who are liberal can say conservative things from time to time.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:10, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

Discussing Okie from Muskogee

You guys do realize that "Okie from Muskogee" by Merle Haggard is a satirical piece? Merle Haggard admitted himself that the song was a satirical take at the viewpoint that Haggard's father's generation held and that he was playing a character when he was performing the song. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philiponkaroes (talk)

Are you sure about that? Do you have a ref? [8] --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 14:50, 4 March 2021 (EST)

I know it's hard to read incredibly blatant satire, but Capitalism is that. It's written from the perspective of a bourgie jerk who is readily dismissing anybody speaking against his views because he's an extreme parody of the upper class who doesn't believe there's anything wrong with capitalism. Regardless of whether or not he is right from our external perspective, he is a parody, and agreeing with the character's unrealistically extreme sentiment will make people look like idiots.

That didn't stop you from typing your response on either your home computer or your cell phone, both brought to you courtesy of capitalism. Karajou (talk) 18:36, 6 May 2021 (EDT)