Difference between revisions of "Talk:Essay:Motivations for the Theory of Evolution"

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One question of clarification. Does the "materialistic theory of evolution" specifically refer to atheistic evolution, or does it include theistic evolution? MountainDew 20:00, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Materialist evolution is without divine intervention. Materialistic evolution is what is taught in schools.--Aschlafly 20:02, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

P.S. Most Americans also reject theistic evolution, by the way.--Aschlafly 20:05, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

The more unsourced the better! Mmmm, mmm good!-AmesG_yo! 20:00, 9 April 2007 (EDT)1

Sources will follow. Rome wasn't built in a day.--Aschlafly 20:02, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Neither was the Earth built in six.-AmesG_yo! 20:03, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Ha ha ha. We were talking about human achievements. Surely that was within God's power to do so if He liked. Or do you think God is incapable of that?--Aschlafly 20:05, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, I know that most Americans reject theistic evolution (as do I, although it seems to be dominant among the people I know). I was just curious about the numbers. MountainDew 20:17, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

I think Andy's comment about how "evolution" is only to make money got deleted. It was pretty funny; I wish it had stayed. I guess the government will throw money at any valid scientific project these days, huh.-AmesG_yo! 20:23, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Ames, I hope your entries here are more accurate than your misattribution above of what I wrote. I never said that evolution is *only* to make money. But money is an incentive, and inflates stated beliefs, as people often say things for money that they wouldn't do in the absence of the money. Check out what executives say who run the beer industry, the tobacco industry, the pornography industry, the gambling industry, etc. A decade ago the new Philip Morris CEO was someone who had personally quit smoking. Of course he pretended that was easy and no big deal.

Yes, financial incentives do make a difference in what people say.--Aschlafly 20:47, 9 April 2007 (EDT) Financial incentives do matter. For example, why are you starting this site? To get money for Eagle Forum, by being as outlandishly right-wing as possible? Is that a reason you censor more moderate perspectives?-AmesG_yo! 23:12, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

If Andy were collecting money for the Eagle Forum... how? I see no donation venues or obligatory fees. Maybe we can all tithe. --Hojimachong^talk 23:13, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Press coverage.-AmesG_yo! 23:15, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

I thought the political section was interesting

I thought the political section was interesting. Could you give the footnotes? I would be interested in reading the sources. Conservative 23:07, 9 April 2007 (EDT)conservative

You would think it was interesting. Did you know that 90% of Young Earth Creationists think separation of church & state is a lie, and wish the First Amendment would go crawl off to die in a corner?-AmesG_yo! 23:10, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Which would make way for a nice and dandy American theocracy. I recall another nation trying that... Ah yes, Afghanistan. It didn't work out too well for them. --Hojimachong^talk 23:12, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Unique incentives?

What's unique about them? Tsumetai 04:09, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

"May become a factual entry" Oh, good Gd, no?

If anything, there should be a big emboldened line at the top saying: "This essay is written from the perspectives of one person and as such holds opinions held by that person." Also, in the financial section, shouldn't it read that the government supports scientific instituions, many of which research the Theory of Evolution along with many other scientific theories? In fact, that first sentence of that section is a joke! How can you compare "no funding for religious beliefs" with "a lot of financial support for science". The two are entirely different! Would you mind if I had a go at rephraseing it ASchlafly? MatteeNeutra 05:18, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

of interest

See Essay:Motivation for the Hypothesis of Intelligent Design

As for financial motives, see [1]

PalMD^talk 18:48, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Financial incentives

I am not aware that Darwin had any financial incentive for developing evolution as a theory. I'd like to see a source on that. Sterile 19:40, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

See my "sister essay" above.PalMD^talk 19:41, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Public opinion

How can it possibly be of interest in this context how many Americans believe in the Theory of Evolution or not? Did science suddenly become a question of popular vote while I wasn't looking? AKjeldsen 19:45, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Yes, as with freedom, the price of science is eternal vigilance.--PalMD^talk 19:46, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

What does that mean?