Difference between revisions of "Talk:Essay:Rules of Chivalry for Students"

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At first I thought this might be parody, then I saw who created it... now I think perhaps it's not that bad a page after all. NewCrusader 20:22, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Why would you think it was parody? HenryS 20:23, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Because it's typical of liberals to accuse conservatives of being outdated, or of supporting gender inequality. If it looks like us as seen by them, it may be written by them. But I know Aschlafly is no parodist, so I can trust this. NewCrusader 20:56, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

This is no parody. My class of 56 teenagers, boys and girls, starts Thursday. Unlike my prior classes, this one is going to develop a bit of chivalry.--Aschlafly 20:26, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Aschlafly, might I ask where you teach? I more than somewhat like the articles I see here. I did not know as much about Barack Obama untill I read that article on him,and am rather impressed by the depth of multiple other articles. JohnI 20:31, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I teach in New Jersey. I don't use any school. Thanks for your comments, if sincere, and regardless Godspeed to you.--Aschlafly 20:34, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

As a thought, it would be interesting to ask the students in your pending class to contribute a few entries themselves. I'm sure most of us are not teen-age students, so it would be interesting to get their direct perspective on what they'd consider "chivalrous". --DinsdaleP 21:23, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Sports

What does attending boys' sporting events have to do with chivalry? HenryS 20:35, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

It is supportive of your classmates.ErstBlenchPoet 20:37, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I just don't see that as fitting in. Lets get more opinions. HenryS 20:38, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Because they are more easily injured, girls should not play most sports (except the explicitly feminine ones such as gymnastics or dance). Therefore it is appropriate for them to cheer on the sidelines and provide support.ErstBlenchPoet 20:40, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Ah, I see. Welcome back, ErstBlenchPoet. HenryS 20:46, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I do somewhat object to that, I have seen quite a couple women and girls playing sports, including what you would consider not to be "explictily feminine ones", and while I have seen some of them get injured, the amount seemed about even to the men. I believe that both genders can cheer at athletic events, as below. JohnI 20:45, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I agree that attending sports events is supportive however I dont think it specifically applies to girls as such. More the whole class should get out and cheer each other on. ClarkeD 20:42, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I removed it per consensus. HenryS 20:46, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

How about a "both" section? It would be a good place for listing things like being supportive of classmates' endeavors. I also think the "no cursing" should be #1. Human 21:06, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

hat doffing

(unindent) Would removing one's hat in the presence of a lady be considered anachronistic? While a hat is no longer a major part of adult attire, many teenagers wear baseball caps and the like. --Benp 20:47, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I was brought up to not wear hats inside period. ClarkeD 20:49, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I can't believe my entry was removed. I am from Belgium and here most girls curtsey, and all are taught to! I can't believe that it is considered anachronistic in America! I hope the other Europeans here agree with me. --HPoirot 20:52, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I never saw that in Brussles. But then again, my eyes were only for chocolate.  ;-) Seriously, your teens curtsey for someone other than royalty?--MHayes 21:09, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

And how often did you see men bow? Good manners are fading, but I guarantee you that every girl learns to curtsey here. --HPoirot 21:18, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I don't know. Seems far-fetched, HPoirot. It hasn't been seen in the U.S. for many decades.--Aschlafly 21:31, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Complementing people

why should complementing people be reserved as something boys do for girls. *everyone* especially young teens trying to find their path in this world, can benefit from sharp, insightful (not empty) complements. "I really like your ideas on that last question". "Your writing style is impressive". and "I find that you have wonderful taste in literature, would you recommend something to me". "golly sally you are sure' perty" seems like something from the 1950's tv reality. We can have our well educated kids do far better than that! I try to find one really genuine thing to say about a person I work with each day. And when I can, I try to make it about them, not just what they are wearing, or things they cant change like how pretty they look.--MHayes 21:07, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Nicely said. A sincere compliment on what someone does (which we can change with every choice we make) goes a long way to building a good self-image. --DinsdaleP 21:20, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Chivalry emphasizes complimenting females. They appreciate it more than males do. In fact, a male can find a compliment to be patronizing or insincere.--Aschlafly 21:24, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I'd think a female would find an insincere or patronizing "compliment" just as offensive. You're right about chivalry being oriented about the manners of men in their treatment of women, though. It just seems a shame to pass on an opportunity to teach both genders in a 21st century class about courtesy, manners and respect without it depending so much on which gender one belongs to. --DinsdaleP 21:31, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Dresses

I believe it should be mentioned that wearing a dress is preferable for a girl seeing how it is more traditional and it establishes set gender roles. Pants were originally designed to be worn exclusively by men and were worn exclusively until the Feminist movement in the 60's. -- Jose83

Girls

  1. Put your superior social skills to good use by welcoming others.
  2. Do not attempt to embarrass a boy, as in trying to beat him in arm-wrestling or bragging that you did better on a test.
  3. Avoid excessive gossip.
  4. Dress modestly, not provocatively or suggestively. A dress is preferable.
  5. Avoid profanity. 

-- Jose83

Didn't you learn anything since your last parody block? HenryS 21:28, 2 September 2008 (EDT)