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As for drug her mom, I don't even think Merida knew that magic dessert did other than help change things.  Besides, Merida WAS willing to actually go along with one of the arranged marriages in order to fix things but her own mother decided to give her a break and let her pick whom she wanted to marry.  At first, the clan leaders were angry but then their sons all said that they actually agreed with the queen that arranged marriages were bad and that this "You should get to decide whom you marry for yourself." idea was a good one.  [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 19:43, 13 October 2017 (EDT)
 
As for drug her mom, I don't even think Merida knew that magic dessert did other than help change things.  Besides, Merida WAS willing to actually go along with one of the arranged marriages in order to fix things but her own mother decided to give her a break and let her pick whom she wanted to marry.  At first, the clan leaders were angry but then their sons all said that they actually agreed with the queen that arranged marriages were bad and that this "You should get to decide whom you marry for yourself." idea was a good one.  [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 19:43, 13 October 2017 (EDT)
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Also, your argument of the men being depicted as idiots, while generally true, falls apart with the triplet brothers.  They actually helped Merida and her mother out of a couple of jams and were quite crucial in helping at times.  [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 19:45, 13 October 2017 (EDT)
  
 
== Just adding some thoughts. ==
 
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Revision as of 23:45, October 13, 2017

I am removing Scarface because it is a remake of a 1932 classic (which had the same plot, and definitely wasn't "liberal"), it in no way "glorifies" gangsterism and drug abuse since at the end of the film it shows the consequences of Tony Montanna's life of crime and drugs (He loses his wife, his best friend and his sister as a result of his reckless ways) and finally, the film is a classic. Even if it is liberal its still one of the most critically acclaimed films of all time and definitely doesn't belong on a list of movies that are the "worst". And as for Ferris Bueller's day off, I'm deleting that one whether you like it or not.

And as for Ferris Bueller's day off, I'm deleting that one whether you like it or not. Really? Well I am reverting and blocking you - whether you like it or not. Come back with a better, more collaborative, attitude next time. MaxFletcher 17:36, 4 September 2011 (EDT)

The name of this article should be changed to "Most overtly liberal movies" since several of the mentioned films are very well made and thus good movies. --AlexanderSz 19:55, 5 December 2011 (EST)

Back to the Future and Mrs. Doubtfire are also on this, I am going to remove them both because they are very successful films and have become classics, and definitely do not belong on a list of movies considered the worst.--GrantN (talk) 14:36, 29 April 2017 (EDT)

questionable entries

can a new category for movies that are questionably liberal be added. "The Social Network" is not overtly liberal. In the protagonist in a negative light, showing how Facebook ruins his life (his best friend sues him, he seems depressed, etc). It depicts everyone involved as jerks. It is questionably liberal because some liberals like the mean spirited Zuckerberg. Also, V for Vendetta is a libertarian movie. It is anti big government (and I would say anti communism). However it is anti religion, so again, questionably liberal --AlexanderSz 19:55, 5 December 2011 (EST)

If you're going to include a classic film like "Monty Python's Meaning of Life" then you had best rename the article to "liberal movies", as most of these movies are actually brilliant films and are by no means "the worst". But then again the "Best Conservative Movies" list has some dreadful films on it like "Space Jam" and "The Room". This site seems to have a very liberal definition of the term "liberal", and an even more liberal definition of the words "worst" and "best". --Danielspence 09:42, 13 April 2012 (EST)

Disagreements about a few of the entries in each list is to be expected.--Andy Schlafly 19:25, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
If entries do not reflect the general opinion of Conervapedia users then why aren't they removed? No justification for the inclusion of "The Meaning of Life" has been given. It's inclusion on the list is very dubious. This list previously included classic films such as "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" and "Scarface", which I removed without being reinstated afterwards. Why not remove "The Meaning Of Life"?

--Danielspence 21:13, 14 April 2012 (EST)

Regarding V for Vendetta, actually, most of the film was left-wing. The original comic may have been libertarian (showing the negative consequences of both totalitarianism and anarchy), but the actual film promoted full out anarchy without covering the negatives. Also, technically, it was supposed to be anti-Nazi, as the Norsefire party was meant to emulate Nazi Germany (which even the left hates). And I have read that there was more pro-communist messages in the film anyways, though I might have to dig it out. Actually, I think the Wachowski Brothers, or at least Larry/Lana Wachowski, were self-confessed Marxists. Pokeria1 23:31, 10 December 2013 (EST)
I removed the Frozen entry, namely because the reason for it being included was simply because of what an obscure pastor and a blog post stated. I'm against the gay agenda, and I personally wouldn't be surprised if Disney churned it out now, but really, John Nolte of Breitbart, who is not only conservative, but in his own words, is very good at spotting Hollywood leftist agendas from a hundred yards away, had viewed Frozen and could not pick up on any agendas in the film, certainly not the homosexual agenda. At best, the only "gay" it pushed was making people smile, what "gay" originally meant before the homosexuals hijacked the term. Here's the article: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/03/13/Disneys-frozen-is-not-homosexual-propaganda. Pokeria1 12:39, 11 April 2014 (EDT)

The Life of Brian

I will not stand for this film's inclusion on this list, it should be deleted immediately. Perhaps you should actually watch the film for yourself before making silly assumptions about it. BRIAN IS NOT JESUS! He is not portrayed as a Christ-like figure, the Pythons have made it very clear in interviews and documentaries that the film was not made to mock Jesus, or his followers; it simply makes fun of people who don't think for themselves and rely on what other people say, much like the critics of the film, who blasted the film as "blasphemous" on the basis of what other people who hadn't seen the film said. The fact that we are debating this in 2012 is absolutely ludicrous. I could name many other films that were a lot more blasphemous that aren't on this list. The fact that it is on a list of "worst movies" is even more insulting; Even if you were offended by the movie, you can't deny the great wit and satire that is found in this film. The reference to it being "anti-semetic" is just plain untrue.--Danielspence 15:30, 29 August 2012 (EST)

Bestiality in Avatar?

If I recall correctly, in The Lord of the Rings, the human protagonist Aragorn has a "creepy" romance with an Elvish woman. While I am in favour of Avatar's inclusion on this list, I find that particular criticism a bit bizarre. --Danielspence 15:18, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

I know this is an old topic, but I digress... At least with Lord of the Rings, the Elves were extremely similar enough to humans to pass as such (only difference being that elves had pointy ears). Avatar's situation, however, has him striking a romance with an alien that clearly doesn't even look remotely human (probably the closest thing to them being human being that they were bipeds), so you can probably see why that would be considered bestiality. Pokeria1 19:00, 21 January 2014 (EST)

Jackass???

Why is Jackass: The Movie a liberal movie? Its completely unpolitical.--JoeyJ 15:10, 1 January 2014 (EST)

You can remove it if you like. But everything has a political slant or effect, even if a slight one. If a movie leads people away from the Bible or conservative values, for example, then it does have a political effect.--Andy Schlafly 16:45, 1 January 2014 (EST)
But Jackass has no political effect and it does not lead people away from the Bible.--JoeyJ 08:04, 2 January 2014 (EST)

Elysium is in a league of its own and deserves its own page.

So, I'd like to mention how stupidly liberal Elysium is. In fact, it's so horribly liberal it's conservative. I just have to rant because I've had one of the most horrible times of my life watching that movie.

Spoilers obviously

  • See the people living on Earth only seem to be criminals or employed by the wealthy. The wealthy live happily because they are not overpopulating in their domain. In fact, it seems the wealthy can make themselves younger again, and suffer no death where they live, because they've learned to properly balance their consumption, population levels, laws, all the while not aging, etc.
  • Scientifically speaking, when the main character enters a "radiation vent" or whatever, he gets radiated by an error in the machine he's stuck in. Thing is, radiation doesn't just "come and go" the way the movie plays it. It's either there in which he was radiated the moment he entered that section, or he was faking it to begin with. And why exactly are they radiating the cargo? It's in a wooden crate meaning the radiation would seep in.
  • Criminals illegally break into the border and it seems there are virtually no defense systems whatsoever to prevent this from happening. This seems stupid, because it would obviously need defenses from meteors and comets. Their only "defense" is an evil homeless guy with a bazooka that can shoot space ships from Earth.
  • The evil plan didn't make sense. They put "the key" to Elysium in a guy's head to modify Elysium to serve another rich person, but the only way it can work is if they kill the person who has the key. How exactly did he get the key in his head from Earth, and how did the poor people steal it?
  • The rich seem to only not want to share "free healthcare" because of one reason: they're mean. The rich are portrayed as soulless monsters who have nothing better to do than be mean. It doesn't seem to explain a logical reason for why they're not sharing this health system which perfectly heals all wounds at seemingly no cost.
  • The only person who seems to have a job without relying on wealthy people is some old lady who owns pigs in a cart. The rest are criminals because they themselves are incapable of supporting one another through real work and independent job creation.
  • The "health pods" cured a guy who died from a head on collision from a grenade and turned elderly young. But they cant fix the main character? The brain of one guy literally exploded and he's still curable.
  • At the end of the movie, the robots are programmed to identify everyone as a citizen of Elysium. The wealthy have pale looks on their faces. For some odd reason, the robots export the healthcare pods away from Elysium, as well as bringing in more people to Elysium. What makes the people there pale isn't the fact that they "can't be mean anymore" as some liberals might assume, but because they can no longer guarantee their own survival on the resources they've earned. And once it's gone, it'll be gone for good. They'll soon reach a mountainous population, unable to feed themselves due to a loss of resources at the colossal level of immigration and unaging pods and a constantly high birthrate.
  • What bothers me the most about Elysium isn't the fact that this movie is the political opinion of a British guy about the US, or even how stupidly bias the movie was. What bothered me the most was the critical acclaim the movie got. I feel that if I made a movie about how demonic creatures are entering a holy land of peace: The evil liberdemons who want nothing more than to take all of our wealth, happiness, and means of defending ourselves for their personal interest and kill whomever they feel like, while the main character sacrifices himself to produce a powerful border-barrier that eliminates the ability for soulless liber-demons to cross... I'd be called a bigot. The reviews for Elysium seem to be nothing but positive, with people saying, "it makes you think," "behind all the action is a moral," and all this other crap. Why is this movie held in such high esteem? It does its best to portray anyone conservative as evil while liberals are portrayed as victims and innocents.

Of all things the disgusting experience I had watching that movie has made me more conservative than ever in my life. Patriotic

Renaming section

Would it be a good idea to rename the Anti-Religious section to Anti-Christian? I say this because the comment for Cloud Atlas in that section begins, "Supports the idea of reincarnation and features anti-Christian undertones." Some non-Christian religions support the idea of reincarnation, and I would think most non-religious liberals don't, except the new-age hippy types. It seems that films which are anti-Christian but not secular should be included in the section, but the section heading doesn't reflect that. ConsMovies 11:43, 9 January 2015 (EST)

PRothan's removals

I know little about these movies, as I watch very few, but it seems that PRothan is removing an awful lot of entries, especially for a new member. Are we sure that there removals are appropriate? --David B (talk) 14:07, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

PRothan removed Edward Scissorhands from this web page. Edward Scissorhands was pretty much endorsed by Christiananswers.net with a 4 out of 5 stars rating.[1]. Christiananswers.net is a Bible believing Christian website. My guess is that PRothan may be doing a lot of helpful pruning from this web page.Conservative (talk) 15:03, 12 May 2016 (EDT)
Okay, good! I hate to be cynical, but when someone creates and account and begins removing large amounts of text, I get suspicious. Glad to hear it then, and thanks for the second opinion! --David B (talk) 18:44, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

The Princess and the Frog

I don't really know why The Princess and the Frog is on here. If anything, it promotes conservative values. The main character has been taught the value of hard work by her father and is working hard to save enough money to start her own business, and the prince, who starts the movie as an amoral hedonist who just wants everything given to him, gradually learns the value of sacrifice and caring for other people. It's true that one of the characters who helps them is a "blind voodoo lady", and not Christian, but she's no less Christian than all the fairy godmothers in all the old Disney movies. If no one objects, I'm going to remove this entry. --Whizkid (talk) 18:45, 31 May 2016 (EDT)

I agree with Whizkid. (BTW, I also thought Brave was pretty good. I don't see how it's anti-conservative. PatriotMongoose (talk) 00:08, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

Ah, let's see, there's the fact that it promoted feminism to such an extent that even when Merida was actually given the choice regarding her grooms hand in marriage, she still pitched a fit, and mostly didn't even want to get married because it would have interfered with her archery skills (not to mention didn't even end with marriage anyways), the women were depicted as the "wise" ones while the father is depicted as a bumbling idiot. Oh, and Merida even attempted to outright drug her mom to have her see things her way (sure, she didn't plan on turning her into a bear, but she definitely didn't plan anything good for her mom beforehand anyway). There's definitely a whole lot of liberal stuff in there, far more than truly conservative stuff. Yes, it may have its following. So does Star Trek, and that's pretty blatantly a liberal franchise regardless of whether conservatives are fans of it or not. Pokeria1 (talk) 07:54, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

I don't know about that. Merida was only a teenager. Besides, it's not like you are required to support the orders of your parents in marrying someone according to the Bible to the point where you are ordered whom to marry. What they said was that she would marry whomever she loved. Forcing someone to marry someone that they probably wouldn't even love would be a bad idea. While it may have been done in biblical and even medieval times, it no means justifies it as good or resisting arranged marriages as bad.

As for drug her mom, I don't even think Merida knew that magic dessert did other than help change things. Besides, Merida WAS willing to actually go along with one of the arranged marriages in order to fix things but her own mother decided to give her a break and let her pick whom she wanted to marry. At first, the clan leaders were angry but then their sons all said that they actually agreed with the queen that arranged marriages were bad and that this "You should get to decide whom you marry for yourself." idea was a good one. PatriotMongoose (talk) 19:43, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

Also, your argument of the men being depicted as idiots, while generally true, falls apart with the triplet brothers. They actually helped Merida and her mother out of a couple of jams and were quite crucial in helping at times. PatriotMongoose (talk) 19:45, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

Just adding some thoughts.

I believe that the movie That's Way I Am should be added to this list. It seems OK at first, but it completely goes backwards off tracks from the main plot to shoehorn in the Homosexual Agenda, and shows the only Christian, right-wing characters as backwards bigots who have raised bullies. Ultimately it promotes censorship and immorality. Please respond with your thoughts.ILOVEJESUS2 (talk) 20:58, 9 September 2016 (EDT)

I have never heard of the movie, but if it is clearly a liberal movie, feel free to add it. I recommend adding sources, though. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:51, 9 September 2016 (EDT)

"Spare Parts" should not be here.

In my opinion, the film "Spare Parts" should not be here. It shows a conservative moral of a hard-working underdog, underfunded team facing problems beating well-funded college professional teams.

Be bold.RobS#NeverHillary 13:16, 23 September 2016 (EDT)

Should we really have a debatable if liberal section?

Should we really have a list of those films that are debatable if liberal, which is the same list as those on the debatable of conservative? There are some really great and popular films, on that list such as Back to The Future, Jaws, Mrs. Doubtfire, Scarface, Star Wars, which are all beloved classics, (some of them were recently removed from the other list those). But don’t think we should have a duplicate list, on two different pages. It is like saying when it’s on the greatest conservative films list these films are the best except for a couple flaws, but to also have it here it like saying, these films are the worst except for a couple of good aspects. Every film has it good aspect and bad aspects, no film is perfect. Also some of these films on this list are not here because there debatable if conservative or liberal. Such as Grease it is listed here because it’s debatable or not if it has enough conservative aspects to be conservative such as it says “Some conservative messages and no feminism or other political correctness; mocks public school and even television during the 1950s. Followed in 1982 by a much panned sequel (Grease 2).” That should not appear on a list that debatable if liberal. (Unless you are talking about its panned sequel, but that is whole different movie, and should appear separately). I suggest we remove that part of the list, or at least make some changes. --GrantN (talk) 18:38, 21 February 2017 (EST)

Also I have decided to remove some movies that were on the section, for instance as I said before Labyrinth is only debatable if its pro-family, it in no way is anti-family, as for Grease its should only be on the debatable for conservative list because it contains some conservative ideas, but not a lot, and in no way is it liberal. I also removed Zulu and Blood Freak, because they too do not belong on this list. Also, I moved "Chicken Run" back to the worst liberal section, because even though, it has a feminist villain, it also has a feminist heroic leader, so in a way, it neutralizes it. Also, I moved Jurassic World to debatable. --GrantN (talk) 16:58, 22 March 2017 (EDT)

Hunchback of Notre Dame

Except for the thing about the Gargoyle and Djali (not to mention Frollo hitting on Esme a little too much for a G-rated film), I actually think your claims are false. The Archdeacon is good and saved Quasi from Frollo and saved Esme by letting her claim sanctuary and tried to save both Esme and Quasi later, only to be stopped by Frollo and his men. Frollo is basically a self-righteous Pharisee. As for Esme, despite being looked down by Frollo's government, she is very noble in that, unlike liberals, she doesn't feel she is owed anything other than decency (she says "I ask for nothing, I can get by, but I know that there are others less lucky than I."). As for Captain Pheobus, he risks execution by his leader Frollo for disobeying a tyrannical order to burn the innocent alive. Also, Quasi doesn't even kill Frollo (he could have dropped him when he was hanging onto his cloak and Quasi was already in danger of falling and had learned that Frollo was responsible for his mother's death, yet he hung on and Frollo ended up doing himself in. Hardly a liberal movie. PatriotMongoose (talk) 00:21, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

Not really. Yes, the Archdeacon was depicted in a good light, so in that sense, it promotes Christianity a bit more than, say, Beauty and the Beast (which depicts pretty much all the Christians in a very bad light in the village, while Belle, who is implied a few times to be an atheist or at the very least an agnostic, being depicted as a moral figure.). However, it isn't by much, as even ignoring Frollo, Christianity as a whole is depicted in a very bad light (don't forget the whole Parisian mob scene with the Feast of Fools, or how the parishman, NOT Frollo, but another parishioner of Notre Dame, was pretty cold to Quasimodo. And I might as well add that the whole scene with the Parisian people was if anything even WORSE in the Disney film than in the book, where the latter was simply them dealing corporate punishment, while in the former, they just did it out of sadism.). And let's not forget that it was also controversially received and the Catholic Church actually had some irritation at the film for how it was depicted. Pokeria1 (talk) 08:01, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

Possible movie to add

Based on this Breitbart review, we should consider adding Mother! to this essay. As someone not very familiar with this movie, I won't do it myself. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:40, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

While I agree that the live action one was a gay propaganda film, Gaston is by no means conservative or admirable. He may be good but he's flat out arrogant. Because he does not get his way, he was going to try and threaten to throw Belle's father in the loony bin as blackmail to force Belle to marry him. The Beast, near the end, was willing to let her go because he loved her, even though her leaving could mean the last petal would fall before the spell would be broken. PatriotMongoose (talk) 00:29, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

I'm going to be blunt here, several on here are only on here for perceived anti-military, anti-capitalist, pro-feminist, anti-hunter, supporting evolution, etc, themes. If we applied the inconsistent logic here, we'd have to list a lot of otherwise conservative films as being liberal just because of that. I honestly think we're doing what we accuse the Leftists of: going so far that some things are viewed as "microagressions". PatriotMongoose (talk) 00:41, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

I'm not saying some shouldn't be on here but others have no business being listed here. PatriotMongoose (talk) 00:41, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

Look, Mongoose, a lot of the films you're mentioning have those liberal themes present in a very blatant manner. It's not "perceived", especially not when the actual creators of the films make it extremely clear that it is meant to be that. And as far as Gaston, another editor mentioned him being conservative and hard-working. I really can't speak regarding what Gaston's politics are (and personally, regardless of politics, I consider anyone who does something like threatening a man they knew to be innocent into the insane asylum to force that man's daughter's hand in marriage to be scum), but I do know that Beauty and the Beast has a definite pro-feminist theme, considering even Linda Woolverton made it explicitly clear it was meant to push the feminist agenda (as if the fact that the overall story strongly demonized the concept of marriage via Belle hating the concept, not just marrying Gaston, but even the possibility of being a wife, or how the only three girls who have any interest in marriage are depicted as dumb blondes wasn't blatant enough). And it also doesn't help that it actually promoted premarital relations and even infidelity in a positive light in the form of Lumiere. Oh, and another thing, Belle was actually acting just as arrogant if not even moreso in the original film. And I don't think it's a coincidence that Belle, who doesn't even imply that she believes in God at all, is considered by the story to be a grand moral figure, while the other villagers, who based on the lyrics are devoted Christians, are depicted as idiotic monsters. And Star Wars, George Lucas made it very clear that it was meant to promote the Vietcong, not to mention the Prequel Trilogy outright demonized the concept of even having a military, and the Jedi even promoted moral relativism twice. Besides, that's why we have a "debatable whether liberal" section. Pokeria1 (talk) 08:09, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

I am wondering, should we also have a conservative movie section? PatriotMongoose (talk) 19:45, 11 October 2017 (EDT)

We technically already have that section, it's called "Debatable whether Liberal." Pokeria1 (talk) 19:58, 11 October 2017 (EDT)

Also, if you are going to cite that it promotes feminism because the director or so-and-so on set said so, then could we at least ask for citations or something? I didn't even know that Beauty and the Beast was MEANT to push feminism. Information like that might be helpful to people. PatriotMongoose (talk) 21:33, 11 October 2017 (EDT)

BTW, I thought of adding the movie "The Big Green" to the list of leans liberal. The reason being is that one of the characters makes some comment about "Reaganomics" being responsible for the bad local economy and also one of the soccer players was an anchor baby and one of the coaches, who was a sheriff, was able to eventually get him and his illegal mother a way to stay. PatriotMongoose (talk) 21:33, 11 October 2017 (EDT)

Okay, next time you try to add in a post, try not to delete a prior post when adding it in, please? Anyways, I'll definitely make sure I supply any citations for that when I have the opportunity. Pokeria1 (talk) 22:07, 11 October 2017 (EDT)

I've noticed an interesting trend. Almost all of the ones rated conservative are at least two decades old while loads of the ones on here as liberal are less than two decades old and loads are a decade old or less. It seems that we're running out of new conservative films. PatriotMongoose (talk) 02:38, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

Well, that's what we're gonna get with Hollywood choosing their leftist politics over, you know, actually trying to tell a good story. Still... there's still some films made today that are definitely conservative. Pokeria1 (talk) 07:12, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

About Mulan

I think it was the Xuans or something, not the Huns. It may have just been pronounced that way because the X may be pronounced like an H in Chinese or something. Also, it's debatable that it's liberal because Mulan does all of that to save her father's life. He wouldn't have made it due to his older age. She was at least doing some honor to her father by risking her life to protect him from going off to a war she didn't think he'd live through. Also, she did risk her neck to save her country despite being looked down upon for being a woman. (That's actually counter Leftist in a way because the Leftist whine about being discriminated against and support policies that hurt their country. Mulan, on the other hand, had no guarantee that she would get honored for what she did. In fact, she knew quite well she could be executed for pretending to be a fictional brother of hers. Also, the character Mulan is a Chinese legend. On the other hand, the ancestor worship was a form of paganism, but, on the other hand, probably was historically accurate. PatriotMongoose (talk) 19:30, 13 October 2017 (EDT)