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:::You might not acknowledge that you are engaging in a evolutionist Pickett's charge, but of course we both know you are. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:32, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:::You might not acknowledge that you are engaging in a evolutionist Pickett's charge, but of course we both know you are. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:32, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
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::::And again: ''ad hominem''. What does this matter in this context? What will it matter in an actual debate that your interlocutor is pure as lilies or an evil villain?
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::::The audience generally can't judge the character, it has to judge the arguments.
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::::And ''in this regard'' you obviously can't stand your ground.
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Revision as of 18:43, 5 August 2011

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Student Panel

I have been bold and removed the Student Panel Decision. Now, before everybody is rushing to the Rollback and Ban buttons, allow me to explain why the text was utterly outdated and pretty much useless:

  • "the article will remain protected indefinitely" - Yes, just like tons and tons of other articles. Big whoop. (This is a problem by itself, but one I won't tackle right here, right now.)
  • "to protect it from inevitable vandalism" - .................right.
  • "We have decided that the article will not be changed in any major way." - Aaaaand this is the main reason why I removed the decision:
    • The Panel made the decision in April 2007. Right now, the earliest revision of the Evolution article is dated February 9, 2011. Without knowing what the April 2007 version looked like, what counts as a major change?
    • Between the first and last visible revisions alone, the article gained ~10k - not a major change? To put the number into perspective, Date of the Exodus is smaller than the amount this article has grown.
    • Those who have been around since back then know exactly that the article has changed in major ways since then.
  • "Those who wish to assist in improving this article should submit proposed changes to the panel for review." - Too many issues to list here. I honestly don't think this applies (or should apply) anymore.

I hope there can be some discussion before I'm just bluntly reverted. --Sid 3050 17:44, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

We have decided that the article will not be changed in any major way.

Since the Student Panel decreed this in April 2007, User:Conservative has edited this article over 1000 times (see here). The original version as approved by the panel can't be seen here at Conservapedia, as the article was deleted & recreated without edit-history a couple of times afterwards (see here). This is quite surprising, as the article is protected: why should authorized personal edit the article in a way that these edits have to be hidden?

Fortunately, the version from Mai 1, 2007 can be seen here - courtesy to the wayback machine.

The differences are stunning: Not only is this approved version much shorter (roughly a third of the current article), all the parts linking evolution with Atheism, liberalism, etc., are missing!

These parts seem to change the article in a major way. And they are definitely not helpful when formulating an adequate, concise explanation of the Theory of Evolution.

So it seems that the Student Panel should review this article again!

RonLar 15:18, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

The article still reflects that macroevolution is pseudoscience so no real sweeping changes were made - just enhancements. Given that Andy's first homeschooler group liked my work, I think we all know that all I have to do is make a call to Andy explaining things and Andy and his Christian homeschoolers will endorse my efforts. In short, this is an evolutionist Pickett's charge. I have talked to Bible believing Christians and they like this article. I hope this clears things up for the evolutionists and atheists. Conservative 16:21, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
Thank you. Then let's not do anymore reversions of these polite editors comments on this discussion page, please. Rob Smith 16:23, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
Conservative, the disclaimer indicates that the student panel decides about the editing of this article, not Aschlafly. You position seems to be that you follow their wishes while ignoring what they are saying.
We other don't have this luxury: we have to follow what is written. For the sake of clarity something has to be changed:
  • either your way of editing
  • or the disclaimer.
RonLar 16:58, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
RonLar, why are you so interested in this disclaimer? I doubt most CP editors - and virtually no readers - knew it existed before you started talking about it. Why does it matter so much? If it were me, I'd just leave it. Jcw 17:04, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
Anyone who reads the article and tries to change something will find the disclaimer: it's often the only thing which is there on the talk-page.
And then you see that despite this disclaimer the article is edited over and over again...
These are things which irk me: I ask myself - how can it be? How many changes were there?
And then I get miffed, as it gets difficult to answer these question, as the article was deleted over and over again.
And so, I look deeper into, just to see that the dichotomy can't be explained.
So, there is an objective contradiction between the disclaimer and the edit history. Ignoring such a thing is just not my way.
Hope that helps.
RonLar 17:13, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
These are valid questions and justifiable points. I can't guarantee you'll get an answer to your questions, but nonetheless, it is very appropriate that this talk page is where they should be raised, and an accurate record of the user comments be maintained here. Rob Smith 18:27, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
Two Conservapedia creation vs. evolution battle scenarios - Conservapedia evolution article: Conservapedia Evolution article battle: RonLar vs. Andy and his Christian homeschoolers part 1 and CP Conservapedia Evolution article battle: RonLar vs. Andy and his Christian homeschoolers part 2 :) If RonLar persists, it should provide some humorous entertainment. :) Conservative 18:36, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
Another example of what you think as being debating skills? ceterum censeo: Could you give us an example where you, Conservative, debated successfully someone about Atheism, Evolution, etc.?
Could you, Conservative, updated the disclaimer? Something like
Aschlafly and his home-schoolers endorse Conservative's ownership of this article
RonLar 18:50, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

It is very sad to see someone with Acute Conservapedia obsessive compulsive disorder make an attempt to water down Conservapedia's evolution article. On a lighter note, it will be entertaining to see RonLar strap his evolutionism zealot rocket on his back, putting his evolutionism activist roller skates on his feet and be the next evolutionist to hit the brick wall of denied requests to make this article more palatable to evolutionists. The popular Christian YouTube video creator Shockofgod coined the phrase "Atheism is the Wile E. Coyote of worldviews" and it certainly applies to atheism and evolutionism. Conservative 19:08, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

Again, you had the opportunity to score a few points in a discussion with someone whom you regard as an evolutionist and atheist. Again, you wasted this opportunity:
  • you didn't address the discrepancy of the text of the disclaimer and your behavior as detailed in the beginning of this section. The casual observer of our discussion gets the impression that you don't have a valid explanation
  • this impression will be assured by your meandering answers which are ripe of non-sequiturs and unsubstantiated statements:
    • Acute Conservapedia obsessive compulsive disorder again, an ad-hominem. Doesn't invalidate any point I make
    • On a lighter note... This whole section doesn't make sense for any onlooker, maybe it is clear to you...
So: How many valid points have you made? (The answer is none)
RonLar 19:25, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
You might not acknowledge that you are engaging in a evolutionist Pickett's charge, but of course we both know you are. Conservative 19:32, 5 August 2011 (EDT)
And again: ad hominem. What does this matter in this context? What will it matter in an actual debate that your interlocutor is pure as lilies or an evil villain?
The audience generally can't judge the character, it has to judge the arguments.
And in this regard you obviously can't stand your ground.
RonLar 19:43, 5 August 2011 (EDT)