Talk:First Black president

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Obama has been universally declared to be the first black President of the USA by all of the world's media. Can you cite any credible external source which suggests that he isn't the first black President, or suggests other US Presidents who may have been black? Sideways 16:19, 17 November 2008 (EST)

I found two, though one isn't "external". I don't know why you wouldn't consider an American history teacher to be a credible source, but I think you should.
I don't know why you added back in the comment by ADumas. He was banned for this comment. BHarlan 18:34, 17 November 2008 (EST)
"Sideways", if you take orders from the "world's media," then why even bother investigating the truth for yourself? The media will tell you what to think.--Aschlafly 23:34, 18 November 2008 (EST)
I checked the sources and they are deliberately false and viciously anti-American. RJJensen 12:06, 19 November 2008 (EST)
For the record, I was objecting to your removal of "affirmative action president". -Foxtrot 12:40, 19 November 2008 (EST)
OK, sorry for my misunderstanding. :) RJJensen 12:52, 19 November 2008 (EST)

on changes

"an admitted liberal?" Before you make things up, you better check your facts.--JeanJacques 20:55, 18 November 2008 (EST)

I apologize. You haven't admitted it. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] BHarlan 21:32, 18 November 2008 (EST)
So, having a difference of opinion is being liberal? good to know. please remind me of my liberal leanings when it's time to vote next May, or I may forget and vote conservative.--JeanJacques 21:43, 18 November 2008 (EST)


Unencyclopedic. Anyone else agree? HenryS 22:10, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, but my opinion doesn't really matter. Sorry. LiamG 22:12, 18 November 2008 (EST)
See Talk:Main Page. Ed thought it was un, I asked Andy, Andy undeleted. BHarlan 22:17, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Yes it does LiamG, I have seen your posts and your past defense against vandals. You are valued here. I don't know about this page either. First Black president and first Hawaii born President. First president to admit inhaling marijuana.--jpatt 22:19, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Thanks, Jpatt. It's nice to be valued by someone :-) Still, I'm a nobody compared to Ed, and he was overruled, too. LiamG 22:23, 18 November 2008 (EST)
jpatt - here's what I want to know. People in the media obsess about Obama being Muslim or not, obsess about his name, and if a birth certificate has the right boarder around it. But why does virtually NO ONE (including yourself) not talk about his cocaine habit. He admitted to it, yet I didn't see it mentioned once by the McCain camp or the republicans at large. Isn't that far more important about who he is, who he has been, and the choices he might make than accusations about him being on a board with someone or his name? He not only admits to "doing blow", but says it so light heartedly. It's just no big deal in his mind. Like a glass of wine or a cigarette.--JeanJacques 23:19, 18 November 2008 (EST)
I could not find fault with anything you wrote. Some people obsess at him the Muslim, or him the Commie, not about him the illegal drug abuser. I myself always looked at him in the context of faulty decision making, overlooking his pre-Harvard days. --jpatt 23:30, 18 November 2008 (EST)

Because it's not something he still does. If he were a muslim, (which I don't think he is even though I'm sceptical about his "christianity") it would be a bigger deal that his past drug use because it would probably affect his pollcies. --Ben Talk 23:26, 18 November 2008 (EST)

extreme black fringe groups for years have been promoting this nonsense about Lincoln, Jefferson etc., which many conservative scholars (including myself) have looked into and rejected as false. (the Harding stuff was a KKK rumor in the 1920s and equally false.) It's false witness. RJJensen 23:41, 18 November 2008 (EST)

racial/ethnic identity

British, Irish, German, and Kenyan are not racial identities. They are nationalities. It'd even be a stretch to consider them ethnicities. Further, while Obama claims to be part-Cherokee, there's no particular evidence for that (other than family rumor). His father was black (African) and his mother was white--hence, bi-racial. I also removed the bit about Obama struggling to be accepted as black by the black community, which is just silly, but I'll leave it in for now, in the interests of parity.--RossC 12:33, 19 November 2008 (EST)