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no mention is made in this article that freemasonry is regarded as an anti-christian organisation. john thurloe 31 10 08
 
no mention is made in this article that freemasonry is regarded as an anti-christian organisation. john thurloe 31 10 08
 
:Probably because it generally ISN'T regarded as an anti-Christian organisation, except by a lunatic fringe, and there's no reason whatsoever that it should be. Nothing in Freemasonry is contrary to the teachings of Christianity. The Swedish Rite is ONLY open to christians. The book on the altar may be referred to as the Volume of the Sacred Law, but in most Lodges it's a King James Bible. --[[User:JMairs|JMairs]] 11:05, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
 
:Probably because it generally ISN'T regarded as an anti-Christian organisation, except by a lunatic fringe, and there's no reason whatsoever that it should be. Nothing in Freemasonry is contrary to the teachings of Christianity. The Swedish Rite is ONLY open to christians. The book on the altar may be referred to as the Volume of the Sacred Law, but in most Lodges it's a King James Bible. --[[User:JMairs|JMairs]] 11:05, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
:::I'm not really religious, but I believe most Christian churches oppose Freemasonry. However, this is an encyclopedia, so I don't know that that should be focused on to much in the article. --[[User:Burke39|Burke39]] 00:57, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
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:::I'm not really religious, but I believe most Christian churches oppose Freemasonry. However, this is an encyclopedia, so I don't know that that should be focused on to much in the article. [[User:Burke39|Burke39]] 00:57, 12 May 2015 (EDT)
 
==History==
 
==History==
 
"In 1717 four lodges met together at a public house (pub, or hotel) in London and formed the Grand Lodge of England. It later chartered grand lodges in other countries.
 
"In 1717 four lodges met together at a public house (pub, or hotel) in London and formed the Grand Lodge of England. It later chartered grand lodges in other countries.
When Adolf Hitler came to power he soon outlawed Freemasonry in Germany." That seems like a very brief history that excludes a lot of important information.--[[User:Burke39|Burke39]] 23:55, 11 May 2015 (EDT)
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When Adolf Hitler came to power he soon outlawed Freemasonry in Germany." That seems like a very brief history that excludes a lot of important information.[[User:Burke39|Burke39]] 23:55, 11 May 2015 (EDT)
::::"(However, some claim that the lodges first started with the ancient Hebrews or with Pythagoras or Euclid, both ancient Greek geometers. This is supposed to explain Masonry's emphasis upon geometric symbolism.)" That is not the view of mainstream historians of Freemasonry, whether Freemasons or not. That is the view of some people who it could be kindly said had a loose hold on reality. People like Freemason Manly Hall or anti-Freemason David Icke. Its not a view held by the majority of scholars of Freemasonry, whether pro-Masonic, anti-Masonic, or neutral. Also, I don't know about here, but on wikipedia saying "some people claim X" is considered weasel words, because its not specific. --[[User:Burke39|Burke39]] 23:58, 11 May 2015 (EDT)
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::::"(However, some claim that the lodges first started with the ancient Hebrews or with Pythagoras or Euclid, both ancient Greek geometers. This is supposed to explain Masonry's emphasis upon geometric symbolism.)" That is not the view of mainstream historians of Freemasonry, whether Freemasons or not. That is the view of some people who it could be kindly said had a loose hold on reality. People like Freemason Manly Hall or anti-Freemason David Icke. Its not a view held by the majority of scholars of Freemasonry, whether pro-Masonic, anti-Masonic, or neutral. Also, I don't know about here, but on wikipedia saying "some people claim X" is considered weasel words, because its not specific. [[User:Burke39|Burke39]] 23:58, 11 May 2015 (EDT)

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Frankly, most of this info is bunk. It goes on weird, irrelevant tangents, and is biased.--Adon 03:18, 30 March 2007 (EDT)

Perhaps at one point but as it stands now it is quite concise and to the point, and might I add the most fair and informative article I've seen on Freemasonry on the internet in a long time. Jros83 19:36, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

Hmm no, I've changed my mind. It's rather skimpy to be certain.Jros83 20:28, 24 August 2008 (EDT) Still though it's nice to see it not being trashed.

no mention is made in this article that freemasonry is regarded as an anti-christian organisation. john thurloe 31 10 08

Probably because it generally ISN'T regarded as an anti-Christian organisation, except by a lunatic fringe, and there's no reason whatsoever that it should be. Nothing in Freemasonry is contrary to the teachings of Christianity. The Swedish Rite is ONLY open to christians. The book on the altar may be referred to as the Volume of the Sacred Law, but in most Lodges it's a King James Bible. --JMairs 11:05, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
I'm not really religious, but I believe most Christian churches oppose Freemasonry. However, this is an encyclopedia, so I don't know that that should be focused on to much in the article. Burke39 00:57, 12 May 2015 (EDT)

History

"In 1717 four lodges met together at a public house (pub, or hotel) in London and formed the Grand Lodge of England. It later chartered grand lodges in other countries. When Adolf Hitler came to power he soon outlawed Freemasonry in Germany." That seems like a very brief history that excludes a lot of important information.Burke39 23:55, 11 May 2015 (EDT)

"(However, some claim that the lodges first started with the ancient Hebrews or with Pythagoras or Euclid, both ancient Greek geometers. This is supposed to explain Masonry's emphasis upon geometric symbolism.)" That is not the view of mainstream historians of Freemasonry, whether Freemasons or not. That is the view of some people who it could be kindly said had a loose hold on reality. People like Freemason Manly Hall or anti-Freemason David Icke. Its not a view held by the majority of scholars of Freemasonry, whether pro-Masonic, anti-Masonic, or neutral. Also, I don't know about here, but on wikipedia saying "some people claim X" is considered weasel words, because its not specific. Burke39 23:58, 11 May 2015 (EDT)