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::::Good point, I'll keep an eye out for such lunacy in the future.[[User:JamesBenjamin|JamesBenjamin]] 11:04, 30 June 2007 (EDT)
 
::::Good point, I'll keep an eye out for such lunacy in the future.[[User:JamesBenjamin|JamesBenjamin]] 11:04, 30 June 2007 (EDT)
 
:::::You didn't catch it all. [[User:Ozark|Ozark]] 16:24, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
 
:::::You didn't catch it all. [[User:Ozark|Ozark]] 16:24, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
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==Problems==
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There were numerous problems, which I have tried to fix:
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:The country entered a very severe depression in 1893, but in 2001 it was recovering from a recession. We don't want to equate a deep downswing with an upswing! That is an error that will mislead lots of students.
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: it is not a "Fact" that "he had an illegitimate child. (The paternity is unknown--Cleveland was one of several potential fathers)
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:text: "The Clevelands had many children while in office." They had three
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:text: "Cleveland voted against many spending bills and Government ideas," means "vetoed"
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:text: "making him the first modern Conservative"  highly misleading: the spending bills were small private pension bills that involved a few dollars a month,
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:text: "Cleveland finished the Statue of Liberty in New York and read its dedication in fluent French, as a tribute to its creator, Jean Renoir." Jean Renoir was born in 1894; Cleveland not speak French;
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:text: "Again he tried to kill the tariff in 1893"  He wanted to lower the tariff, not kill it
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:text: "1884 was the year of the famous Pullman strike " it was 1894
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:text: "His second brother was hanged for murder in Utah in 1882." not true at all
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:text: "Liberals took over the Democrats in 1896 and with the help of Populist firebrand William Jennings Bryan tried to end the use of gold and profectionism. Jeenings lost the Presidency in 1896..."  It was the agrarians not liberals (Cleveland was considered a liberal); Bryan was not a Populist. Jennings was his middle not and is improperly used.
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:text: "Princeton. There he became enemies with the liberal Woodrow Wilson..." He and Wilson were friends, although they disagreed on some issues; Wilson was not a liberal at that point
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:text: "Cleveland has been on many dollar bills, including the $1000 bill and some of the first $50 bills before Andrew Jackson was put on." all messed up!
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:text: "He is both the 22nd and the 24th President because this confused people and he had to be proclaimed both presidents so the issue was cleared up." all garbled [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:29, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Revision as of 15:29, 4 September 2008

Name Controversy

I thought that Stephen was his first name not second name. could someone clear this up? I have a book about him it says his first name was Stephen, not Grover. --User:Additioner 15:01 19 April 2007

I can't believe he had a choice and picked 'Grover.'Ozark 13:36, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

"He was the only Democrat elected to the Presidency in the Republican dynasty that lasted from 1850s to when Roosevelt was President." What happened to Woodrow Wilson? He was a Democrat who served from 1913-1921.



Okay, I fixed it. DanH 15:53, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

also: "as a result of the Democratic failure to win the American Civil War." - WHAT? The democrats at the time all were in the south, and had they "won the civil war" the south would have won. I realize that we're trying to keep this as a conservative type thing here, but thats just weird lunacy. I'm removind that part of the sentence. JamesBenjamin 18:18, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
Actually James, that has nothing to do with trying to keep it conservative. It has to do with a vandal who tried to write in a form to make it seem conservatively ridiculous, as you have noted. I'm afraid the article is still a bit of a minefield with similar imbedded instances. Thank you for helping to clear one up. Learn together 18:24, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
Good point, I'll keep an eye out for such lunacy in the future.JamesBenjamin 11:04, 30 June 2007 (EDT)
You didn't catch it all. Ozark 16:24, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Problems

There were numerous problems, which I have tried to fix:

The country entered a very severe depression in 1893, but in 2001 it was recovering from a recession. We don't want to equate a deep downswing with an upswing! That is an error that will mislead lots of students.
it is not a "Fact" that "he had an illegitimate child. (The paternity is unknown--Cleveland was one of several potential fathers)
text: "The Clevelands had many children while in office." They had three
text: "Cleveland voted against many spending bills and Government ideas," means "vetoed"
text: "making him the first modern Conservative" highly misleading: the spending bills were small private pension bills that involved a few dollars a month,
text: "Cleveland finished the Statue of Liberty in New York and read its dedication in fluent French, as a tribute to its creator, Jean Renoir." Jean Renoir was born in 1894; Cleveland not speak French;
text: "Again he tried to kill the tariff in 1893" He wanted to lower the tariff, not kill it
text: "1884 was the year of the famous Pullman strike " it was 1894
text: "His second brother was hanged for murder in Utah in 1882." not true at all
text: "Liberals took over the Democrats in 1896 and with the help of Populist firebrand William Jennings Bryan tried to end the use of gold and profectionism. Jeenings lost the Presidency in 1896..." It was the agrarians not liberals (Cleveland was considered a liberal); Bryan was not a Populist. Jennings was his middle not and is improperly used.
text: "Princeton. There he became enemies with the liberal Woodrow Wilson..." He and Wilson were friends, although they disagreed on some issues; Wilson was not a liberal at that point
text: "Cleveland has been on many dollar bills, including the $1000 bill and some of the first $50 bills before Andrew Jackson was put on." all messed up!
text: "He is both the 22nd and the 24th President because this confused people and he had to be proclaimed both presidents so the issue was cleared up." all garbled RJJensen 17:29, 4 September 2008 (EDT)