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questions about this incident, or if you have any remaining clinical
questions about this incident, or if you have any remaining clinical
Revision as of 21:59, 5 October 2008
moved stub template here for now, per CP guidelines. Human 14:10, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
"retains little of its Christian foundation"
To claim that Harvard "retains little of its Christian foundation" nonsensical because the university operates the Harvard Divinity School http://www.hds.harvard.edu/ , lead by such ordained preachers as Peter J. Gomes and Karen L. King. The University has daily Christian services, as well as many student and faculty lead extra-curricular Christian clubs. Perhaps a better way of stating this part of the article would be to say "Though the University is no longer ran with Puritan goals in mind, a Christian influence is still felt be the presence of the Harvard Divinity School," with a link to said school's web page. Opinions? Adg2011 20:52, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
"One of the 4 Ivy League institutions that accept homeschooled students?" As a homeschooled Ivy League student, I can say that ALL of the Ivies have accepted homeschooled students.
The scabies outbreak is relevant. Scabies is a sexually transmitted disease, one of many that liberals downplay or try to ignore. Duplicating a complete list of Ivy League entries in this particular entry is not helpful. One can simply click on Ivy League if they care about the entire list.--Aschlafly 22:10, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
- According to the Conservapedia article about scabies, "Scabies spreads rapidly under crowded conditions where there is frequent skin-to-skin contact between people, such as in hospitals, institutions, child-care facilities, and nursing homes." There is no mention of sexual transmission. Unfortunately, I've just Googled scabies to find out more, only to find that the Conservapedia article is completely plagiarized from the CDC web site. --Hsmom 22:29, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
- I included the list of Ivies because I was looking into the statement that only four of the Ivies admitted homeschoolers. I assume that statement is out of date - I'm guessing they all do - but I ran out of energy to do the research. I'm OK with leaving out the information, if you think it's not helpful. As you point out, readers can look at the Ivy League article. --Hsmom 22:29, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
- Further research sheds some doubt on the Harvard scabies incident. Three students living in the Pennypacker dorm were diagnosed with scabies. Later that week, the following letter was sent, casting doubt on the original diagnosis.  Even if it was scabies, and even if scabies is a sexually transmitted disease (and I believe it can be spread within households as well as sexually), three students with an STD is hardly a rare occurrence on a college campus (sadly). I just don't think it's worthy of mention here. Of course, it's your site, so if you feel it belongs, then so be it. --Hsmom 22:46, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
Dear Pennypacker Resident:
After reading the Crimson opinion piece from October 22, 2007, "I've Got an Itch", it seems worthwhile to review where things stand after the incidents of skin complaints two weekends ago at Pennypacker.
At that time, three individuals came to university health services (UHS) with similar symptoms. After being evaluated by a physician at After Hours Urgent Care, the possibility of scabies was considered. Discussion with proctors at Pennypacker revealed that there were at least 5 or 6 students at Pennypacker with itching skin and rash, though only three of them wished to be examined.
Given the symptoms, also under consideration was the possibility of bed bugs, though the skin findings were not classic for this diagnosis. A scraping from the skin of one student was done to look for mites, but these were not seen. It's important to note the presence of mites on a skin scraping absolutely confirms the diagnosis of scabies; if they are absent, though, the diagnosis is not excluded. Frequently, the diagnosis of scabies is difficult to make, and it takes several examinations of a patient over time before other possibilities are excluded. This is because the rash associated with scabies can be fairly non-specific, and the "burrows" are often not seen.
A team of pest control experts, brought in by Environmental Health and Safety, examined the dormitory and did not find bed bugs. The diagnosis of scabies could not be excluded at that point. The location of the "bites" was consistent with the scabies diagnosis, and the number of bites was inconsistent with other common insects. The /presumptive/ diagnosis of scabies was therefore made---meaning that it was a diagnosis of exclusion, and not a definitive diagnosis.
A Brigham and Women's Infectious Disease consult was called for advice and, based on the /presumptive diagnosis/ of scabies, it was decided that the most prudent course of action was to preventively treat the whole dormitory, consistent with standard practice. On Sunday October 14, UHS clinicians came to Pennypacker to dispense the treatment to all residents and to provide information about laundering potentially exposed clothing.
Thanks to your cooperation, in the days that followed, there were no new cases at Pennypacker. It's difficult to say definitively whether the original three students ultimately had scabies or not. Our best diagnosis at the time was that they did, and, given this diagnosis, it would have been risky not to treat the entire dormitory. Four days later, Dr. Michael Alpert, an entomologist from the Harvard School of Public Health came to Pennypacker and talked to three symptomatic individuals and concluded that scabies was unlikely, given the rapid clearing. He speculated that the causative bug could have been mosquitoes, though he never saw the bites when they were present. The physician who did see the bites, said that the appearance of the bites was not consistent with mosquitoes, and that their locations on the skin was more consistent with scabies. As is frequently the case with rashes, the simple symptoms can lead to a variety of diagnosis, and it is often difficult to tell, in the absence of definitive testing, which one is correct.
At this point, if there was scabies in the dormitory, we can consider scabies cleared from Pennypacker. You may open the bags containing your non-washable possessions. If the diagnosis was not scabies, it is possible that there was another insect involved, though it does not appear to be bedbugs (because there are no ongoing symptoms and there was no evidence for bed bugs when the pest control team evaluated the dormitory), nor appear to be mosquitoes. Whatever the ultimate source, it is now eradicated from Pennypacker thanks to your response and cooperation.
A final word on scabies transmission: scabies can be spread by physical contact with clothes and bedding of an individual who has it. Although sexual contact is a possible mode of transmission, more commonly, it is spread by other means. Scabies spreads in schools and in families frequently, and from person to person between whom there is no sexual contact. Scabies is not considered to be a "sexually transmitted disease", since it is not transmitted exclusively through sexual contact.
Incidents such as these can cause inconvenience and emotional stress. Please feel free to contact us personally if you have any further questions about this incident, or if you have any remaining clinical concerns.
- I also found this interesting article about a scabies outbreak at a fire station.  --Hsmom 22:59, 5 October 2008 (EDT)