Talk:Hollywood values

This obviously needs more stuff, but I stub'd it so the red link on the main page went away.-MexMax 22:58, 22 January 2008 (EST)

Unlike reality, which clearly has none of these things. Perhaps a random use of the word "glamourization" is in order? Barikada 00:01, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Barikada, I think that's a central point! It's not only disrespect for morals, it's flagrant glamorization of lack of morals! I'll leave it to you to add it, but good call.-MexMax 19:59, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Thanks. Barikada 20:11, 23 January 2008 (EST)

MexMax - please stop reinserting the unsubstantiated information into the article. Thank you. Misterlinx 23:23, 24 January 2008 (EST)

MexMax - any and all talk of whether Heath Ledger's death was due to 'Hollywood Values' should be left until AFTER the autopsy and inquest have been published. Mr. Schalfly's previous version of the article was based on a celebrity gossip article, and has been superceded by real information from the police. Misterlinx 23:40, 24 January 2008 (EST)

I'm sorry for jumping the gun. That seems truthful, I apologize for reverting without looking closer. I thought we were just doing the same edit war over and over again...MexMax 23:46, 24 January 2008 (EST)

One point: I think the MTV article should be treated as, errr, second best. Is there a better citation? I think we'd rather not cite to MTV unless we have no other chance.MexMax 23:47, 24 January 2008 (EST)

Possible Inclusions

A few suggestions for the list, off the top of my head: Marilyn Monroe would be a prime (and notorious) example. Chris Farley, who's stated goal was to live and die like Belushi. Janis Joplin. Anna Nicole Smith. Freddie Prinze. Rock Hudson. And depending on how comprehensive you want the list to be, there's an almost endless parade of people who were more famous as part of a group than as individuals, such as Keith Moon or Dennis Wilson.--RossC 08:16, 25 January 2008 (EST)

I did a search for Hollywood liberals and came up with this website. On the front page I see that the cops are invertviewing Mary Kate Olsen about the suspicious circumstances in Ledger's death, David Copperfield has had two childred out of wedlock, Britney Spears is finally making it to her custody hearing to see if she can stay off drugs long enough to take care of her own kids, and Kiefer Sutherland is being let out of jail after a DUI charge. Hollywood values at their best! (Or should I say worst?) HelpJazz 10:13, 25 January 2008 (EST)

If an MTV reference is frowned upon, I can hardly see a credible argument for references to The National Enquirer? It's not exactly known for its adherence to fact-based logic, is it? Misterlinx 12:29, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Why not? I bet they had articles on every one of the people we have in the article right now. HelpJazz 11:21, 26 January 2008 (EST)

There's a reason that tabloids are also known as "Gossip rags." Barikada 22:36, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Heath Ledger

How did Hollywood values contribute to his death? TheGuy 04:49, 1 February 2008 (EST)

It is clear upon reviewing this and this that nobody has justified how Hollywood values contributed to Ledger's death. We all acknowledge that during his life he probably did take drugs and was a selfish individual, however there is no evidence that his overdose on legal prescription drugs was a suicide attempt or reasonably affected by his drug habit. Given that the example is used in the context of death ("Hollywood values are deadly. Some examples include:") then I think it would be prudent to remove Ledger's entry until sufficient evidence connecting Hollywood to his death has been found, otherwise we are just sponsoring gossip. TheGuy 07:22, 2 February 2008 (EST)