Difference between revisions of "Talk:Holocaust denial"

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Wikipedia

While I disagree on the way Wikipedia words this, I think it's slightly misleading to call their reporting of the fact that people do, in fact, deny the Holocaust, an endorsement. A few people do not believe in the Holocaust, and this is a fact, regardless of the validity of this belief. MountainDew 16:24, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

Well, I've raised this issue in several forums with Wikipedia; and given the way the term "Holocaust denier" is so lightly thrown around in Wikipdia (it is Chip Berlet calling Danial Brandt a Holocaust denier, and Wikipedia's refusal to take it down, that is the root cause of all the problems WP has had with Brandt), it's not surprising this pejoritive has boomeranged home once again. RobS 16:31, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

OK, so the stuff about Wikipedia's abuse of the term gives undue weight right now; I do intend to bring it back, however, as the article expands. And there are other issues regarding Wikipedia & Holocaust denial that also need sun light. RobS 23:11, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

How is holocaust denial different from denying that slavery ever existed in the United States, because it doesn't exist now?

I find this article offensive. I am a holocaust denier myself. Hamtandrus 18:11, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

Then please crawl back under your rock.--Dave3172 00:34, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

• People deny Jesus Christ as the true son of God. That does not alter the fact he is. Denial of the Holocaust is another bit of selective fiction a small number of people seem to embrace. They are prayed for. --~ TK ^MyTalk 21:22, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

revisionists.com

• http://www.revisionists.com/ lists at least three historians, AJP Taylor, John Toland, and Anthony Kubek to Holocaust denial. This is a highly questionable defamatory smear. This link has been removed. RobS 12:55, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

David Irving

The British right-wing historian David Irving was gaoled for three years in Austria in 2006 for holocaust denial. Link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4733820.stm

A good heneral link on denial:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/denial.html

Holocaust Denial in Japan

Unfortunately, Holocaust denial in Japan is tied to the Conservatives of that country. The Shukanshi and in particular the Shukan Bunshun is regarded as conservative, not liberal. It is in keeping with the overall Japanese conservative basic denial of responsibility and revisionist attitude towards Japanese actions during WWII. I suppose it is hard to fully accept that they were such close allies of the Nazis and participated,however indirectly,in one of the greatest tragedies in modern history. Tordenvaer:Tordenvaer 14:27, 16 January 2008 (EDT)

Anti-HD bias

Unfortunately for all of us conservatives, we have to face the facts and relaize that Holocaust deniers are almost all conservative. We need to appeal to all conservatives here, even crazy ones. Ohwhatarelief 17:23, 27 January 2008 (EST)

HDers play loose and fast with the truth, which is a liberal trait, not a conservative one.RobertK 17:24, 27 January 2008 (EST)

I think we should end this fight between cons in which soem conservatives call others "liberals". I've been on racist sites that claim Mike Huckabee is not a conservative but simply a "nutcase religious zealot". You people are as bad as they are. Ohwhatarelief 17:26, 27 January 2008 (EST)

"you people"?RobertK 17:27, 27 January 2008 (EST)

WTF? "You people"=Conservapedians. If someone is pro-life, anti-gay, anti-gun control, anti-drugs, etc., but also deny the Holocaust, are they liberal or conservative? Ohwhatarelief 17:28, 27 January 2008 (EST)

If someone denies the holocaust, they're not liberal or conservative. They're just wrong. Flat-out. Please do not use phrases like "WTF" here.-MexMax 17:30, 27 January 2008 (EST)

So denying the Holocaust means you lose any political affiliation? Well, you aren't consevrative or liberal either, you're just retarded. Ohwhatarelief 17:32, 27 January 2008 (EST)

I'm not sure what your point is. Holocaust denial is evil, and not conservative. It's its own thing. Fascism is not conservatism, it's atheism run amok. RobertK 17:32, 27 January 2008 (EST)

He's gone anyways; at least for a month...-MexMax 17:34, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Which do you prefer?

Liberals or Holocaust deniers? Take your pick. Paleocon4freedom 17:36, 27 January 2008 (EST)

False dichotomyRobertK 17:37, 27 January 2008 (EST)

This is really reminding me of the old Fred Phelps thing. Paleocon4freedom 17:38, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Fred Phelps does not behave like a true Christian. He acts out of hate instead of love. We are supposed to hate the sin, not the sinner...he hates both.RobertK 17:40, 27 January 2008 (EST)

I don't like Fred Phelps, but he is anything but a liberal. I don't want to argue that though. Holocaust denial doesn't make one liberal-misguided, but not liberal, and jailing people for it is just wrong. Paleocon4freedom 17:41, 27 January 2008 (EST)

I have to be honest, this whole talking about holocaust denial makes me uncomfortable. I don't think we need to say which ideology HD is typical of; we can just say that, regardless, it's evil. Same with Phelps. Period.-MexMax 17:42, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Fine, as long as you admit putting people in prison for it si evil too. Paleocon4freedom 17:43, 27 January 2008 (EST)

The United States rarely jails people for speech acts. Read up on the First Amendment.-MexMax 17:45, 27 January 2008 (EST)

I agree that free speech allows these evil people...but that doesn't free them from Ultimate Judgment. RobertK 17:46, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Germany jails people like Ernst Zundel for Holocaust denial. Now enough witht he edit coflicts! Paleocon4freedom 17:47, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Holocaust deneirs as "evil people"

You claim that you consider liberals to be "misguided" while liberals consider conservatives "evil". You must hate Holcoaust dneiers most of all since you callo them "evil". Paleocon4freedom 17:50, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Judgment is reserved for God, but those who would deny and mock the deaths of six million humans do not support the culture of life upon which Christianity is based; I do think they are some of the worst transgressors. Yes.-MexMax 17:56, 27 January 2008 (EST)

They aren't laughing at the deaths of six million people, they are denying they ever happened. So no, you're wrong. Besides, it was eleven million people. Paleocon4freedom 17:57, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Discussion

I tried to remove the above discussion because of its disgusting reference to Holocaust Deniers as evil people. What is your basis for this-dare I say it-EVIL claim? Ronpaulican 12:11, 28 January 2008 (EST)

This is a discussion page. As a new editor here I suggest you confine yourself to positive contributions rather than deleting large chunks from talk pages. Among the more than 22,000 articles here I am sure you can find something to contribute without trying to inject your own brand of racism. BrianCo 12:21, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Category

Add to Category:Conspiracy Theory.- Gilliam 13:02, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Along with creationism, you mean? Lalsas 12:55, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Medias

Under "Holocaust Denial in Japan", there's reference to "liberal news medias in Japan" Media is the plural of medium, and therefore medias is a pluralization of a pluralization, and thus incorrect. Cheers. EBrown 19:00, 23 June 2008 (EDT)