Talk:Liberal tricks

It doesn't hurt to try? I assume this is in reference to drugs, alcohol, etc.? DanH 23:37, 23 February 2008 (EST)

Paranoid personality disorder: Descriptive diagnosis per American DSM-IV-TR

DSM-IV-TR 301.00 Paranoid Personality Disorder.

According to the DSM-IV-TR, this disorder is characterized by a pervasive distrust and suspicion of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:

• Suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her
• Is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates
• Is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her
• Reads benign remarks or events as threatening or demeaning.
• Persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights
• Perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack
• Has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner.

The traits, behaviors and characteristics

• Do not occur exclusively during the course of a mood disorder accompanied by psychotic features nor other psychotic disorders.
• Are not due to the direct physiological effects of a general medical condition.

Does this American definition sound familiar to anyone?SiggyF 14:04, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Or was I too subtle? The profusion of Liberal (fill in the blank) articles is bordering on ridiculous to outright delusional. These overlapping articles on one man's opinion of a large albeit imaginary group of people seems rather---paranoid. SiggyF 16:12, 24 February 2008 (EST)

I don't know of anyone here who fits those criteria. I suspect, however, that you have different opinions about some of the subjective parts of those criteria. For example, is the suspicion of the first point "without sufficient basis", or does it have sufficient basis? Is any preoccupation (second point) unjustified or justified? And so on. The way that I judge it, I can't see that list fitting anyone here. Does that answer your question, or was it more of a criticism than a question? Philip J. Rayment 20:47, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Confusing

Some of these are a bit confusing to me. I think if they are worded differently they would be more clear. (I'm taking specifically about the current numbers 1, 7, 9, and 15). HelpJazz 18:40, 24 February 2008 (EST)

This page has issues too.

This page seems to be just an attempt to make liberals look bad. I would say that most liberals do not act like this page suggests. A lot of these points are very questionable at best. Others, while it is true that liberals use them, are used by others just as much as liberals. --Tim (CPAdmin1)^{talk Vote in my NEW polls} 22:26, 26 February 2008 (EST)

There are liberal tricks, and this entry helps identify the more popular ones. Review how much the liberals here protested our entry Hollywood Values, and watch how often the liberals on television and in magazines push Hollywood. That isn't coming from God, and we know deceitful His opposite is. To be forewarned is to be prepared.--Aschlafly 23:27, 26 February 2008 (EST)

So liberals (say folks like, Jimmy Carter, LBJ,Pierre Trudeau, Nelson Mandela and Barak Obama) are inspired by Satan, then? Or are devils themselves? what exactly are you getting at by linking liberalism to "God's opposite?" Aboganza 00:17, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Although I added a couple of points to this list, points that seem to fit the theme of the other items in the list, I later wondered if they where really tricks. In many if not most cases, I would think that there is nothing deliberate about the use of these "tricks". I'm inclined to think that "tricks" is not the best name for the article. "Liberal fallacies", perhaps? And of course, these fallacies are not used exclusively by liberals, and not by all liberals. But I would be inclined to believe that they are used more by liberals than by non-liberals.

Regarding Aboganza's question, as Christians we believe that all the evil and error in the world is ultimately influenced by Satan. No, Andy's not saying that those people are devils themselves, but that they have been influenced by ideas that find their origin with Satan.

That leads on to whether or not liberalism can be equated with Satan. And that raises the question as to what is meant by "liberal". The word, of course, has different meanings in different contexts. To take one extreme, in Australia the more conservative of the two main political parties is the Liberal Party! I guess that Andy uses it (and I'm not suggesting that he's the only one) to mean someone who holds ideas that are contrary to biblical views, the latter being held to more so by conservatives. So if they are contrary to biblical views, they are, by definition, ultimately of Satan. We do need to be careful, however to distinguish whether particular views typically held by "liberals" are contrary to biblical views, or not. For example, although gun control is apparently promoted mainly by liberals in the U.S. and opposed mainly by conservatives, I know of nothing in the Bible that supports or opposes gun control (as distinct from the right to self defence, by the way).

Philip J. Rayment 06:36, 27 February 2008 (EST)

So from your reply to my post, you are arguing that Nelson Mandela was "influenced by ideas that find their origin with Satan ?" Remarkable. What does that say about P.W. Botha, then? Aboganza 16:02, 27 February 2008 (EST)

I wasn't trying to be specific; just explaining general principles. And although liberals hold to some views that are opposed to the Bible, this doesn't mean that every view held by non-liberals is consistent with the Bible; conservatives can also hold views opposed to the Bible. Take evolution for example. Many people who would otherwise be considered conservative believe in evolution, but I would think that almost all liberals believe in evolution, whilst most (not all) believers in creation would be conservatives. So people on both sides of a political fence can hold anti-biblical views. Philip J. Rayment 21:19, 27 February 2008 (EST)

Liberal friendship

"liberals befriend you so you should become liberal (why don't they become conservative?)" You can't be serious. You're honestly saying someone like me befriends people solely because I want to convert them to the EEEEEEEEVIL of liberalism? Furthermore, what's with the stuff in quotes? Barikada 10:18, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Brackets. I meant brackets. Also, the first instance of liberal should be capitalized. Barikada 17:48, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Category

This article is great (like all the articles about liberals). But it should be in Category:Liberals.

Maupiti 10:23, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

My Apathetic-liberal-christian viewpoint

1. Win an argument through luck
2. Say that everyone's political view is just as biased, but doesn't affect you
3. atheism = ignorance = not so blissful
4. (me not learnded enough)
5. ...I am now pro-Life ('nuff said)
6. death comes to everyone, live today as it is with no worries about tomorrow
7. it doesn't hurt to be lazy, unless it's your grades/performance we're talking about
8. no one ever collectively agrees on one subject, so it must be false (exceptions: faith)
9. Your own parents aren't cool, but 70% of the other parents (ie. your friend's parents) are cool
10. No material thing is truly cool
11. there is a shortage in piety
12. disproving Christianity is for dummies
13. kids are just being more smart-"butts" than old folks
14. (see #1)
15. call someone a racist when they are a nepotist
16. some conservatives are jerks, as are liberals
17. vandalism is alright, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone... which is never
18. if you like it, don't use it (wikipedia and teaching people about sexual impurity)
19. justice never really works, eye for eye... everyone's dead/blind

+_+ Fuzzy|AFD 20:08, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Claiming expertise

Alright, falsely claiming (or implying) to have expertise is in a particular area is a trick, but not an exclusively liberal one. Creationists often do exactly the same thing. For example, Philip E. Johnson, who is trained as a lawyer, not a scientist. Or William Dembski, who is a mathematician, not a biologist. Or Henry Morris, who is trained as an engineer. Or Kent Hovind, who very prominently referred to himself as a doctor, even though he got his degree through an unaccredited degree mill. Are they all liberals too? Eoinc 09:24, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

you are very correct! I recommend the article to be amended to reflect this. Hare Krishna!--Krishnapooja 09:27, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Your examples are deficient because they do not represent claiming expertise beyond one's specialty. Philip Johnson does not claim special expertise, for example, beyond his legal profession. Rather, he provides compelling arguments for people to accept or reject based on the validity of his arguments, not his expertise.--Aschlafly 09:41, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

How about Andy Schlafly, who claims to know more about medicine than MDs do? (Soooo getting banned for this one. NOBODY sasses the Schlafinator on how own blog and lives to tell about it.) --Gulik5 14:19, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Adding to the list

Hey! I've got number 20! "Uses logic instead of relying on what the Bible/Ann Coulter/Tucker Carlson told them to do." Does that sound like a fair addition, you know, considering the fact that this article already makes your work with this encyclopedia look ridiculous and childish? Grow up, guys. No one's going to take the conservative viewpoint seriously if you keep cranking out this drivel. Jparenti 16:06, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

As mean-spirited as that is, jparenti, I agree. This "list" should be removed for making conservatives look bad. But watch yourself because language like that will get you blocked in a hurry.Bender2982 17:50, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

essay

this is an opinion piece, and should therefore be labelled an essay.

some points

here are some flaws in some of these arguements.

1. "when did you stop beating your wife?" is conservapedia now pro-domestic violence? or do we just think its an ok thing to joke about. 2."pretend that atheism equals intelligence" does one automatically become unintelligent if they deny the existance of a deity? 3."live and let live-prayor in school" no liberal wants to stop people from praying freely. if you want to pray at home, at church/temple/mosque, or if you want to pray at school on your own time (i.e. not in a special block of time where everyone must pray) that is fine. the issue liberals have with school prayor is when it becomes a state-sanctioned activity. 4."it doesnt hurt to try" Abortion. no one treats abortion like it is something you try out, or that you dabble in. it's a medical procedure, sometimes traumatizing, like all medical procedures have the ability to be. 5."if you dont like it, dont watch it-whale killing" can someone please tell me how something inappropriate on tv amounts to the slaughter of a vital and extremely endangered species? i don't know if folks grasp this concept, but as fafr removed from nature as our society is, it still relies heavily on it. if species continue to go extinct at the rate they are, there is a potential for complete ecological collapse. forget global warming.

i dont really expect an honest reply, but let's see is someone can give a good answer to all of those points.

i dont really expect an honest reply is a splendid example of the 'when did you stop beating your wife?' tactic, and anyone who suggests that using that well-worn phrase is an apologist for domestic violence is an imbecile. Bugler 10:40, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

sorry for not knowing that phrase. but you refused to answer the rest of my arguments and just blocked me. do you have a response to anything else i said? -user:michaeljw

Your account has been blocked for 3 days now. We're building an encyclopedia here, not sitting around in idle chatter. Add value, or go elsewhere. Thanks.--Aschlafly 14:57, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

A response to his points:

2.pretend that atheism equals intelligence" does one automatically become unintelligent if they deny the existance of a deity? One doesn't 'become' unintelligent; espousing atheism is one sign of a low level of intelligence and understanding to begin with.

3. no liberal wants to stop people from praying freely. if you want to pray at home, at church/temple/mosque, or if you want to pray at school on your own time Classroom prayer is proven to have benefiots in terms of the application, conduct and achievement of the students. We do not advocate that all students have to pray. If they wish, they can use the short time allocated at the start of class to meditate, to think about their lunch, or even to have reveries about 'Professor' Dawkins: each to his or her own. But they have no right to deny the opportunity of prayer to others. +

4. no one treats abortion like it is something you try out, or that you dabble in. it's a medical procedure, sometimes traumatizing, like all medical procedures have the ability to be. But that is precisely what proselytising Liberals do, through their sponsorship of 'pro choice' and publicicing abortion clinics. The answer is pre-marital chastity. +

5. Environmentalists have a profoundly ahistoric and blinkered viewpoint. Climate has always changed; some species die out. That is the way of things.

Bugler 15:00, 29 September 2008 (EDT)