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Is that supposed to be humorist Dave Barry?  Links would help on these people if they are important enough to be listed here. [[User:Human|Human]] 22:16, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
 
Is that supposed to be humorist Dave Barry?  Links would help on these people if they are important enough to be listed here. [[User:Human|Human]] 22:16, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
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I'm unsure how libertarianism is "closely" connected to liberalism. From the social point of view, this is evident; However, libertarians believe in small government, a viewpoint often shared by conservatives (except in times of war, it seems).  [[User:KxWaal|KxWaal]] 22:16, 28 June 2007 (EDT)
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==Question about the creation of a Left-Libertarian article==
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Why is it that no one here has bothered with creating an article on Left-Libertarianism, Libertarian Socialism, or even Syndicalism? Also, in case you didn't know, Libertarian was first used by the left by the Anarcho-Communist Joseph Déjacque, and it continues to be viewed as a generally leftist ideology throughout the world (well, not in the US of course). I hope you all can consider the creation of these articles, and I would love to see what they look like in the end. Also, please try to abstain from bias as much as possible, to increase the credibility of Conservapedia. Thank you. [[User:JCorrim|JCorrim]]
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:Added note -[[User:Danq|danq]] 13:26, 7 December 2011 (EST)
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== Right wing ==
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"Libertarianism is generally considered right-wing." Is this true anymore? I know it used to be true before social issues were more important to the political landscape, but nowadays libertarians agree with liberals on things (war on drugs, abortion, war in Iraq, Patriot Act) so I'm not sure it's so accurate anymore. I know that ''some'' political scientists call them right wing but I wonder how general? At any rate, I put the <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag in there for now; I have no contrary sources to provide which would allow me to remove the statment entirely
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PS: This article is in major need of organization and citations. I might start on this in the next couple days [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 15:53, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
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*It is not generally considered "right", and hasn't in at least two decades, maybe more.  Although Liberterians espouse some ideas (mainly Domestic Policy issues) many of their beliefs more aptly fit into what is now considered Liberal, especially in the Foreign Policy areas.  Most favor a more pure form of Democaracy than is available in any government now established. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|--Talk 2 Me]]</sub> 17:40, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
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There are a lot of overlaps on economic issues, obviously, but libertarians are far more "principled", whereas conservatives tend to determine actions on a case by case basis. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 17:44, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
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:Oh you are preaching to the choir :) I'm very familiar with the ideological stance, just not as clear on how you fit them on the right/left scale (as a libertarian myself I have much animosity towards the one axis system). But no matter anyway, Andy removed the statement I was talking about. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Libertarianism&diff=236312&oldid=235195] [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 17:57, 29 July 2007 (EDT)
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== Aquinas a Whig maybe but not a libertarian ==
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There's an argument to be made for Aquinas and the Whig theory of consent of the governed [http://religionandliberty.blogspot.com/2005/09/aquinasfirst-whig-novaks-catholic-whig.html see for details] but that has nothing to do with libertarianism, so I'm dropping the reference. For Aquinas liberty is not the highest good, political or otherwise. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:20, 17 November 2008 (EST)
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== Notable Libertarians ==
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I am really unsure if most of these individuals and groups are notable. Would it be okay to reduce it to the ones that figure prominently in libertarian thought? We could add a link to Category:Libertarians for the others. [[User:Sulli|Sulli]] 12:13, 5 December 2008 (EST)
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::yes, we should be especially careful about historical figures. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:19, 5 December 2008 (EST)
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:::A lot of the minor celebrities, however, don't really seem too notable. That might just be me though. [[User:Sulli|Sulli]] 12:49, 5 December 2008 (EST)
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== Reagan Quote in Bold? ==
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Does the Reagan quote have to be in bold? It makes it seem like it is biased. --[[User:Mjbauer95|Mjbauer95]] 23:43, 27 March 2010 (EDT)
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== Reagan Quote ==
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The Ronald Reagan quote is entirely too long to be in the introduction. I think the quote should either be abbreviated or moved to a different part of the article where it is more appropriate. I don't know which course of action is best, so I'm leaving it up to debate for now. [[User:ChrisGT90|ChrisGT90]] 11:30, 13 July 2010 (EDT)
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:I've never heard the rest of the quote after "I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism....The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is." You can shorten it to that. [[User:Danq|danq]] 17:47, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

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Jaques-- why did you delete the link to liberalism (which is a page that exists) but leave the link to classical liberalism (which is a page that doesnt exist)??--Redblue 18:04, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

Is that supposed to be humorist Dave Barry? Links would help on these people if they are important enough to be listed here. Human 22:16, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm unsure how libertarianism is "closely" connected to liberalism. From the social point of view, this is evident; However, libertarians believe in small government, a viewpoint often shared by conservatives (except in times of war, it seems). KxWaal 22:16, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

Question about the creation of a Left-Libertarian article

Why is it that no one here has bothered with creating an article on Left-Libertarianism, Libertarian Socialism, or even Syndicalism? Also, in case you didn't know, Libertarian was first used by the left by the Anarcho-Communist Joseph Déjacque, and it continues to be viewed as a generally leftist ideology throughout the world (well, not in the US of course). I hope you all can consider the creation of these articles, and I would love to see what they look like in the end. Also, please try to abstain from bias as much as possible, to increase the credibility of Conservapedia. Thank you. JCorrim

Added note -danq 13:26, 7 December 2011 (EST)

Right wing

"Libertarianism is generally considered right-wing." Is this true anymore? I know it used to be true before social issues were more important to the political landscape, but nowadays libertarians agree with liberals on things (war on drugs, abortion, war in Iraq, Patriot Act) so I'm not sure it's so accurate anymore. I know that some political scientists call them right wing but I wonder how general? At any rate, I put the {{fact}} tag in there for now; I have no contrary sources to provide which would allow me to remove the statment entirely

PS: This article is in major need of organization and citations. I might start on this in the next couple days Jazzman831 15:53, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

  • It is not generally considered "right", and hasn't in at least two decades, maybe more. Although Liberterians espouse some ideas (mainly Domestic Policy issues) many of their beliefs more aptly fit into what is now considered Liberal, especially in the Foreign Policy areas. Most favor a more pure form of Democaracy than is available in any government now established. --Sysop-TK --Talk 2 Me 17:40, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

There are a lot of overlaps on economic issues, obviously, but libertarians are far more "principled", whereas conservatives tend to determine actions on a case by case basis. DanH 17:44, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

Oh you are preaching to the choir :) I'm very familiar with the ideological stance, just not as clear on how you fit them on the right/left scale (as a libertarian myself I have much animosity towards the one axis system). But no matter anyway, Andy removed the statement I was talking about. [1] Jazzman831 17:57, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

Aquinas a Whig maybe but not a libertarian

There's an argument to be made for Aquinas and the Whig theory of consent of the governed see for details but that has nothing to do with libertarianism, so I'm dropping the reference. For Aquinas liberty is not the highest good, political or otherwise. RJJensen 14:20, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Notable Libertarians

I am really unsure if most of these individuals and groups are notable. Would it be okay to reduce it to the ones that figure prominently in libertarian thought? We could add a link to Category:Libertarians for the others. Sulli 12:13, 5 December 2008 (EST)

yes, we should be especially careful about historical figures. RJJensen 12:19, 5 December 2008 (EST)
A lot of the minor celebrities, however, don't really seem too notable. That might just be me though. Sulli 12:49, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Reagan Quote in Bold?

Does the Reagan quote have to be in bold? It makes it seem like it is biased. --Mjbauer95 23:43, 27 March 2010 (EDT)

Reagan Quote

The Ronald Reagan quote is entirely too long to be in the introduction. I think the quote should either be abbreviated or moved to a different part of the article where it is more appropriate. I don't know which course of action is best, so I'm leaving it up to debate for now. ChrisGT90 11:30, 13 July 2010 (EDT)

I've never heard the rest of the quote after "I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism....The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is." You can shorten it to that. danq 17:47, 15 July 2010 (EDT)