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This is typical of the media - to pretend that '''their interpretation''' of what Trump said is an exact quote - or that they knew what he had in mind. We need to call them on it more often. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:45, 18 October 2017 (EDT)
This is typical of the media - to pretend that '''their interpretation''' of what Trump said is an exact quote - or that they knew what he had in mind. We need to call them on it more often. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:45, 18 October 2017 (EDT)
:It wasn't a good thing to say. Mr. Sensitivity is not one of Trump's strengths. But he tried. He did the hard thing of calling the widows. He just isn't good at it sometimes (or at least once). He should probably do it in person or by letter where he is more likely to succeed.
:Trump was elected to: undo Obama's actions as president, make America more business friendly, take a wrecking ball to political correctness and prevent Crooked Hillary from being elected. Those are the things he is better at.
:If Trump manages to keep the economy moving forward and improve healthcare by letting the market drive down costs and improve quality, he will probably alleviate more suffering in the world that Bush/Obama. More black Americans were in poverty post Obama than pre-Obama.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:46, 18 October 2017 (EDT)

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Did he do it for gun control?

As anyone who has watched the news media lately knows, for liberals gun massacres and talk of "gun control," by which they mean getting back at the NRA, go together like peanut butter and jelly. After the Orlando massacre, a lot of liberals reacted along the lines of, "If only the shooter was white, we could use this incident to get gun control." Perhaps Paddock thought this way as well. Mark Steyn elaborates. The news reports make Paddock sound apolitical, which makes this theory less likely. But if he could have a secret life as a gun enthusiast, he could have a political life we don't know about as well. As Sherlock Holmes said, "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." In collecting his arsenal, Paddock followed the law scrupulously. As a wealthy man with a pilot's license and private planes, he presumably had access to the black market. Liberals are big believers in "blowback." It wouldn't be the first time they tried to turn the concept around and make it work for them. The Obama administration sold guns to Mexican drug dealers in "Fast and Furious." Why? Pointing out how many of the guns used by criminals in Mexico were of U.S. origin was one of Obama's favorite gun control talking points. PeterKa (talk) 23:04, 7 October 2017 (EDT)

I was hoping the note Paddock left in his room would shed light on his motives. But it turns out to be filled with calculations concerning what firing angles to use.[1] Gun control is one of the few motives where is it vitally important that the motive be concealed. If it was about gun control, that would suggest the gambling was less an addiction than a way to get big shot treatment from the casino. PeterKa (talk) 01:56, 8 October 2017 (EDT)
The Huffington Post also has an article on gun control as a possible motive. This story notes that Paddock had far more guns that he needed to commit the crime. They were all bought legally, as if he was making a point about what was possible while staying within law: "Where Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock bought his guns; it was all legal." In short, gun control has become a death cult with worshipers seeking martyrdom. PeterKa (talk) 02:20, 8 October 2017 (EDT)

Addicted to gambling?

As far as the gambling addiction theory goes, casino owner Steve Wynn claims that the casino had no reason to think of Paddock as a problem gambler: “He's been staying in Las Vegas since ‘06. So you know, we're talking about 11 years with his girlfriend or at least in recent years, frequent visitor, once or twice a month, to this hotel and others. The most vanilla profile one could possibly imagine. A modest gambler at least by our standards, you know, nothing serious, paid promptly, never owed any money anywhere in Las Vegas. He didn't fit the profile of a problem or compulsive gambler.”[2] They didn't give him the best suite in the hotel because he was a small timer, so this may be overstating the case. Can a "modest gambler" really bring in dozens of guns, store them in his room for a week, and demand not to be disturbed? Let's hope not. PeterKa (talk) 00:26, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

This story in the LA Times explains Paddock's gambling habits. At one point, he had a method of actually making money at video poker. The casinos readjusted the odds a year or so later. Mostly, he was a "comp hustler." That is to say, he tried to break even as a big money gambler while earning freebies from the casino. PeterKa (talk) 06:41, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

"Sugar daddy" ads in Europe

It's sad to see the beautiful French language contaminated this way: Sortez avec un Sugar Daddy. See "Students with sugar daddies: ‘It was a money-making scheme’." PeterKa (talk) 01:56, 8 October 2017 (EDT)

Gun control, the never ending war

Why is gun control the never ending war zone of American politics? Because it is a reliable source of financing for politicians and consultants on both sides. See "Democrats More Interested In Politicizing Gun Violence Than Stopping It." The media's hysteria on this issue inspired Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing, and possibly the Las Vegas shooting as well. Paddock bought several weapons in California, where everything the gun control lobby wants is already law. As long as Jimmy Kimmel and other liberal heroes retain armed guards, it's all just posturing.[3] PeterKa (talk) 08:09, 8 October 2017 (EDT)

Dems think they will ultimately prevail on the gun control issue, in order to prevail on other issues as a result. When Australia enacted gun control after a mass shooting, liberals were then able to pass other parts of the agenda. Gun control causes an entire country to move leftward politically, as citizens become more dependent on the state.
However, Dems fail to realize that they more they try for gun control, the more Dems will continue to lose elections. Some say that Al Gore lost in 2000 because of the gun control issue, observing that he failed to carry his own home state of pro-Second Amendment Tennessee, which has more Electoral College votes than the margin of his defeat.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 14:29, 8 October 2017 (EDT)

"Detective User: Conservative" solves the Stephen Paddock case

Please see: Stephen Paddock was a power hungry, liberal, beta male whose anger exploded.

Question: Why are so many nonreligious, effete, liberal men so angry? See also: Does Richard Dawkins have machismo? and Richard Dawkins and anger and Atheism and anger

We know that he was a nonreligious loner. On top of this, he was a liberal beta male who by definition had no followers. So a conspiracy theory is pretty much ruled out.Conservative (talk) 09:16, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

Hans Küng is often at odds with some in the Catholic hierarchy, if you believe some of the accounts on the internet, but he came up with the observation that the secular state is always having to take recourse to what he called "substitute messiahs".
Grief counsellors are called in the next day after a violent or tragic event at schools, when it may take more than many days and among loved ones rather than a stranger to work through grief. Yet they are called in anyway, because liberals need to compensate for not valuing family life because the family gets in the way of too many of their goals.
Likewise with the "substitute messiah" of gun control. Careful observers have been watching Venezuela these recent months where previous acts of gun control, however well-meaning, by the socialist government which could, in ordinary times, among a responsible class of people, prevent the escalation of violence, in a time of economic and political turmoil where those ordinary times are gone, at best simply benefit the socialist party in power as they spread the confiscated firearms to their own party and turn government into nothing better than coercion.VargasMilan (talk) 10:16, 9 October 2017 (EDT)
The new article List of atheist shooters and serial killers is pretty popular right now. It already has over 4,400 page views.Conservative (talk) 14:01, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

Columbus Day

Don't forget to raise your American flag today; this marks the 525th anniversary of the discovery of America, although the saddest I can remember in a long while. VargasMilan (talk) 10:18, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

Pence walks out of NFL game

So Pence walking out in response to kneeling NFL idiots is now the media's idea of a scandal. The argument here is that the vice president flew to the game using taxpayer-funded Air Force Two simply to perform a "campaign stunt." Where was this accountant mindset when Obama was president? Obama routinely used Air Force One to go to campaign events, both his own and Hillary's. The campaigns do reimburse the Air Force for this, at least in a token way. The amount they pay reflects the amount an equivalent charter flight would cost. This is, of course, only a tiny fraction of the overall cost of a presidential visit. NPR crunches the numbers. PeterKa (talk) 00:21, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

Good points. Classic liberal logic: if Pence had stayed to watch the game, then liberals would not be complaining about the cost. What if Pence had left at halftime? Would liberals complain about that?--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:31, 10 October 2017 (EDT)
If standing up for our national symbols isn't official vice presidential business, what is? The amount these visits cost is absurd, but that's not Pence's fault. PeterKa (talk) 01:24, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

Muslims/evangelicals. Secular leftism collapsing faster than I expected

Please read the following articles:

Germany/France are two main pillars upon which Western, secular, liberalism rests now. If Gave is roughly correct (he did have a mathematical error as per the latter link given above), then an anti-atheism, anti-homosexuality, ant-feminism Muslim population may strike a huge blow against secular leftism much earlier than I thought.

On top of this, Merkel appears to be much weaker now and the French youth are becoming more right-wing in recent years.

I do know that Muslims are not assimilating and they tend to live in isolated ghettos in France (See: European desecularization in the 21st century).

My guess is that the accuracy of Gave's calculation rests on whether or not the fertility rate of French Muslims will about stay the same or significantly drop in the next 40 years.

After all is said and done, secular leftism appears to be between a quickly growing hammer of right-wing populism and an anvil of Muslim/Christian evangelicalism.

Secular leftism is collapsing much faster than I anticipated. However, I did foresee an acceleration of desecularization happening in the world so I was not completely caught off guard (see: Acceleration of 21st century desecularization). Conservative (talk) 02:36, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

Conservapedia proven right™! VargasMilan (talk) 04:31, 10 October 2017 (EDT)
Atheism dependent on the state collapses fast when state support is eliminated as can be seen at: Collapse of atheism in the former Soviet Union. The resurgence of religion after state supported atheism can happen quick as per: Central and Eastern Europe and desecularization
Once Muslims and/or evangelicals and right-wing conservatives have a sufficiently large voting majority and evolutionary indoctrination is eliminated in schools like what has been done to a large degree in Turkey, Western atheism will collapse relatively quickly.
The wildcards are: Will the European Muslim birthrate go down? How much will immigration policies change in Europe? Will a Reconquista 2.0 cause Muslims to be expelled from Europe? Will the Europeans do a more rigorous crackdown on Muslim terrorism in order to delay anti-Muslim immigration forces from gaining traction sooner? Are Christian and/or Muslim creationists going to step up their outreach efforts? Will Catholicism continue to see modest growth in Europe?[4] Conservative (talk) 11:25, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

It looks like the Muslim immigration flow to Europe will be the key factor as far as Islam and Europe as can be seen by these two articles:


What a hero. Flat out called Trump a liar. Strange there's no mention on MPR. JanZ (talk) 19:18, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

Corker is a moderate/establishment Republican who chose not to run again because he feared a primary election loss. Corker's parthian shot is not very impressive.
Trump firing back at Corker may make tax reform harder. For example, Trump's comments about McCain's war hero status may have caused McCain to vote against repealing ObamaCare.
Nevertheless, the world is moving towards right-wing populist politics. Brexit-Trump-Betty Devos-Le Pen's support among the young-AFD in Germany-Roy Moore. The left is sweating and getting violent because they are feeling like trapped rats in a corner.Conservative (talk) 19:56, 10 October 2017 (EDT)
Leftists and the establishment have been calling Trump a "liar" (and worse) since he announced his presidential campaign -- Corker's comments are nothing new. What is new is that now it's blatantly apparent that Corker (and much of the GOP Senate caucus) is a RINO establishmentarian and an opportunist. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:40, 11 October 2017 (EDT)

Media turns on Harvey Weinstein

So many people maintained their silence for so many years. Why now? Why the New York Times? The hammer came down soon after Weinstein green lighted the production of a pro-Israel movie. See American Thinker. Since the scandal broke, Weinstein has canceled production and promised to work against the NRA. So his first reaction was to worry that he hadn't been politically correct enough. PeterKa (talk) 19:49, 11 October 2017 (EDT)

Harvey's brother engineered the hit so he could take over the TWC production company, according to CNN: "Harvey Weinstein believes his brother Bob betrayed him." PeterKa (talk) 22:47, 11 October 2017 (EDT)
It never had anything to do with sexual harassment. When Weinstein could pick the winners, he was Meryl Streep's "agent and God." His current movies are poorly preforming sequels (Shakespeare in Love, Sin City, Kill Bill and Fahrenheit 11/9). With no hits in the theaters, he's out with yesterday's garbage. Did Streep know or not? "Not everybody knew," she says coyly.[5] PeterKa (talk) 02:33, 12 October 2017 (EDT)
As Mark Steyn reminds us, we've seen this movie before. In the next act, the Hollywood malefactor returns as a hero. After all, Harvey's crimes are not nearly as shocking as, say, Polanski's or Arbuckle's. Polanski has put out one substandard movie after another. Only Chinatown redeems him. Weinstein's claim to being an artistic genius is at least as good as Polanski's.
Check this out: "Harvey Weinstein: Contract with TWC allowed for sexual harassment." He'll be able to sue TWC for big bucks. Being fired may be the best thing that every happened to him. PeterKa (talk) 01:07, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

This is how bad Congress is

On Tuesday, the Trump Administration criticized Congress for taking so many breaks, and the next day, the House (supposedly GOP-controlled) voted to extend its current break.[6] It's clear that Congress is deliberately subverting Trump's agenda.

The establishment GOP is complaining that Bannon will cause the GOP to lose one or both houses of Congress, and they say that will be bad because Congress won't be able to advance Trump's agenda, but even now, they are apparently unwilling to do it -- thus, losing Congress to the Dems will be an effective status-quo election result. Conservatives have literally zero to loose with Bannon's actions.

BTW, if the Democrats take Congress, I predict they will lengthen their workweek and take fewer breaks -- like they did during the Obama Administration. Their policies are terrible, but they know how to advance their globalist/socialist agenda. --1990'sguy (talk)

Paddock and the truth

A white mass killer is too good to be true for the leftist media. That's why they look no further at the contrary evidence.

  • What did Paddock do for a living? Played video poker? If you are counting cards at the casino they will kick you out even though it's legal and slightly tips the odds less in the casino's favor. Now we're supposed to believe Paddock mastered video poker and the casinos let him not only stay, but gave him complementary rooms and food, hoping the luck will turn in the casino's favor? I guess the casinos have to cut back on their lavish accommodations for everyone else while he's in town. Great business model, huh?
  • How many non-ideological mass killers have a girlfriend?
  • If Paddock was alone, why were there reports of gunfire from the fourth floor?
  • Paddock's hotel room had a camera in the door's peep hole, and if everything was under control in the room, and not edgy, as with the presence of a hostage, why were dozens of rounds fired at a security guard (Campos) who approached the door before the massacre started?
  • A maintenance worker at the hotel said Paddock Campos told him to "take cover" when the worker arrived to see the shooting start. Did Paddock have an accomplice another person with him in the suite who went out of was struggling to maintain control of the situation [where two individuals were conversing in the hallway]? (Website Breaking 911 had a transcription error and what the maintenance worker really claimed was that he saw the injured security guard [Campos]—not Paddock—along with the first bursts of gunfire, and that it was Campos who told him to take cover.)
  • If there were no accomplices, why did it take eight days and revised timelines for the authorities to establish when Paddock checked in? Because there were Arabic names associated with his check-in time and location, and the FBI doesn't want to dig into the possibility that ISIS made it over our laxly-enforced border to carry out their second grand-scale mass murder, the first being in Orlando?
  • Why was Paddock's body discovered with rubber gloves on his hands unless he expected to survive the attack, rather than commit suicide, and not leave evidence that he was the shooter?
  • What did Paddock do for a living? Lose at video poker all day with a return of 98 cents, or worse, on the dollar? Terrible way to invest, but great way to launder money. Could Paddock be a gun-runner, explaining the variety of guns in the room, but who didn't have an accomplice but rather a client or clients who overpowered Paddock and committed the murders?
  • Could the shooter have used the rubber gloves and placed them on Paddock after he was dead to implicate him and otherwise explain the lack of fingerprints on the arsenal of weapons?
  • Wasn't the killer(s) escaping the premises a real possibility since the security at the Mandalay hotel failed to clear the stairwell until long after the wounded security guard [(taking cover at the end of the hall) informed the police who arrived on] left the floor [which door the gunfire came from] two minutes after the shooting stopped?
  • Didn't witnesses report that there was an Arabic woman who showed up at the front row of the concert before it started telling everybody that they were going to die? Couldn't have another perpetrator or perpetrators with motive to commit the massacre overpowered Paddock days before and prepared the attack days in advance and hoped to employ a crude sort of terror "narrative" with this woman in a mysterious and terror-inducing role? VargasMilan (talk) 12:35, 12 October 2017 (EDT)
Regarding ideological mass killers and having a girlfriend, didn't Joseph LeBon have a wife who supported him in his mass killings at Arras? Pokeria1 (talk) 13:36, 12 October 2017 (EDT)
That I don't know, but the Muslim husband and wife in the San Bernardino atrocity who were an ideological pair could be another example.VargasMilan (talk) 14:59, 12 October 2017 (EDT) correction two: 17:20, 12 October 2017 (EDT)
He just liked gloves. It wasn't about fingerprints. See "Who was Stephen Paddock? The mystery of the ‘most boring son’." This article also claims he made his money buying depressed real estate and fixing it up. If he was so good at real estate, why did he switch to video poker? At any rate, it's the best explanation I've seen. PeterKa (talk) 19:24, 12 October 2017 (EDT)

Boys will be girls and girls will be boys

Yes, it really is a mixed up world -- except for my Lola. Once, they were eunuchs. Now they are "gender confirmed." Caitlyn Jenner was always Caitlyn Jenner. He was not "born a boy" and was never Bruce. Those are the latest style rules from AP, the news media's most influential style model.[7] PeterKa (talk) 19:12, 12 October 2017 (EDT)

Well, that settles it - the Associated (or should I say, Dissociated) Press has officially lost all credibility (as well as all its marbles). Northwest (talk) 10:41, 13 October 2017 (EDT)
In 2015, after the Obergefell v. Hodges legalized gay "marriage" in the USA, triumphant liberals declared the culture war was over and they had won.
Fast forward to the USA 2016 presidential election: Evangelicals and conservative Catholics helped propel Donald Trump to victory. Trump was the first U.S. president to go to the Values Voter Summit.
If Trump elects one more U.S. Supreme Court, it could change the conservative vs. liberal balance on the court for many years to come.Conservative (talk) 22:02, 14 October 2017 (EDT)

Conservapedia Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is an officially recognized mental disorder

Please see: Conservapedia Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is an officially recognized mental disorder.

Question: Will the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th edition (DSM IV) be the next authoritative source to recognize this debilitating mental health disorder?Conservative (talk) 14:42, 15 October 2017 (EDT)

That made my day, User:Conservative! Thank you for your amazing insights.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 14:44, 15 October 2017 (EDT)

Trump ends illegal Obamacare subsidy

When Obamacare become law, no insurance company wanted anything to do with it. So Obama pulled out his "pen and phone" and created a subsidy not provided for in the law. It was an unconstitutional attack on congressional control of the budget. Even the media admits that the Obamacare insurance system may not survive if it is implemented as written. The Dems may regret their stubbornness in the repeal and replace debate. Obamacare backers claim that the subsidy was supposed to be included in the law, but left out as an oversight. Few congressmen would have been eager to vote in favor of an appropriation bill providing payments to insurance companies, so at very least it was a convenient oversight. Obamacare was always a fraud, pushed through Congress with the false claim that the insurance companies would pay for it. See National Review. PeterKa (talk) 22:57, 15 October 2017 (EDT)

I want it gone as much as you, I'm sure, but the problem is that they will push this as "proof" that they need a single-payer system. "See? We tried to work with insurance companies, but they just wouldn't cooperate. Now we need to take complete control so it can work!" I'm afraid to rejoice at its failure--people are two brain-washed and trusting, so they will just go on like sheep to the next, even worse option. --David B (TALK) 15:41, 17 October 2017 (EDT)


Here's something to build a Weinstein bio around:

Weinstein "told me, in front of the publicist and a co-worker beside him, that a famous star, a few years my senior, had once sat across from him in the chair I was in now. Because of his “very close relationship” with this actress, she had gone on to play leading roles and win awards. If he and I had that kind of “close relationship,” I could have a similar career. “That’s how it works,” I remember him telling me. The implication wasn’t subtle. I replied that I wasn’t very ambitious or interested in acting, which was true. He then asked me about my political activism and went on to recast himself as a left-wing activist." [8] RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 03:11, 16 October 2017 (EDT)

Stock market at record high

Amid all the doom and gloom spewing from the left, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has broken all records, having just past its fifth 1,000-point milestone since Trump was elected. It is now over 23,000. See: [9] --David B (TALK) 15:35, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

Stock market prices are based on expectations of future growth for companies and the economy.
When Ronald Reagan reformed the tax code, there was a big jump upward in the economy. If Trump gets something passed on tax reform, it could be very big.
trump is also cutting out onerous regulations on businesses and these regulations are often tough on small businesses.
Trump is also doing things that will speed up the collapse of ObamaCare and give business people and some consumers more options. ObamaCare collapsing and being replaced by a better system could also be boost to the economy. Many companies are no longer offering full-time work due to ObamaCare rules imposed upon them.
European politics affects USA politics too. European politics is moving the right and we could see big further gains in terms of right-wing politics in the upcoming 2021/2022 German and French presidential elections. The continued irritant of Muslim terrorism, Muslim rioting, Muslim non-assimilation and Muslim sexual/other crimes in Europe will insure that European politics shifts rightward. Conservative (talk) 21:35, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

What Trump Russia is really about

Trump-Russia is all about getting even with the American people because we dared to vote for the "wrong" person. Otherwise, why would this story be trending today: "How Hillary Clinton still can, and should, become president after the Trump-Russia investigation." That may sound like an Onion parody, but it's a serious Newsweek article. Now, the nation is not pinning for the lost presidency of HRC, at least not according to this article: "A new poll shows that Hillary Clinton's approval rating is even worse than Trump's." Judging from her memoir and recent interviews, feeling sorry for herself is her current full-time job. She should feel lucky that she's not in jail, which is where she belongs after destroying 30,000 emails that she was supposed to turn over to the FBI. PeterKa (talk) 02:02, 18 October 2017 (EDT)

"Harvard University professor Lawrence Lessig offered a Clinton path to the presidency on Medium, putting forward a series of "if/then" scenarios that lead to House Speaker Paul Ryan handing the White House keys to Clinton." - Newsweek[[10]
Lessig needs to step out of his ivory tower cocoon more and spend more time in real world. You can tell he is a law professor and not a history professor.Conservative (talk)

What Trump really said

  • Widow admits interpreting president's remarks as disparaging and dismissive - MSM and Democrats pretend the paraphrase was a verbatim quote.

He said, ‘Well, I guess you knew’ — something to the effect that ‘he knew what he was getting into when he signed up, but I guess it hurts anyway.’ You know, just matter-of-factly, that this is what happens, anyone who is signing up for military duty is signing up to die. That’s the way we interpreted it. [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/18/totally-fabricated-trump-disputes-congresswomans-depiction-of-his-exchange-with-soldiers-widow/?utm_term=.568fbc4a313d]

This is typical of the media - to pretend that their interpretation of what Trump said is an exact quote - or that they knew what he had in mind. We need to call them on it more often. --Ed Poor Talk 11:45, 18 October 2017 (EDT)

It wasn't a good thing to say. Mr. Sensitivity is not one of Trump's strengths. But he tried. He did the hard thing of calling the widows. He just isn't good at it sometimes (or at least once). He should probably do it in person or by letter where he is more likely to succeed.
Trump was elected to: undo Obama's actions as president, make America more business friendly, take a wrecking ball to political correctness and prevent Crooked Hillary from being elected. Those are the things he is better at.
If Trump manages to keep the economy moving forward and improve healthcare by letting the market drive down costs and improve quality, he will probably alleviate more suffering in the world that Bush/Obama. More black Americans were in poverty post Obama than pre-Obama.Conservative (talk) 15:46, 18 October 2017 (EDT)