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Ukraine advances on the southern eastern north Donbas front[edit]

I was sure that Biden would keep the Ukraine war going until the midterms at least. But it seems that the Ukrainians have other plans. Here is WSJ: "In Major Advance, Ukraine Drives Russians Out of Key Eastern City." The city in question is Izyum. Putin, its time to start looking for a hideout where you can avoid extradition. The Chechens know all your tricks and they are coming for you. PeterKa (talk) 09:32, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

The situation is extremely serious right now. Waiting for confirmation that NATO troops are involved wearing Ukie colors. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 10:06, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
You're speaking of Chechen jihadis presumably; the Republic of Chechnya is forming new battalions. [6][7] RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:28, September 11, 2022 (EDT)


There are no NATO troops that are involved who are wearing Ukie colors. The Russian soldiers are not that good and often there morale is not high. And the West has better military technology. And the Ukrainians are defending their homeland which gives them the morale advantage. But Russia does have more quantity in terms of artillery and manpower in terms of their entire army (both inside and outside Ukraine). And Russia has fired more artillery shells than the Ukrainians in this so-called special operation which has lasted 6 months. Also, Russia is a nuclear power. Conservative (talk) 10:34, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
Why wouldn't there be NATO troops in Ukie colors? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:05, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
Americans in Izium. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:42, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
Do you think NATO is run by honorable people who play by the rules? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:07, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
And then there are groups like Blackwater or the Wagner Orchestra. But we have had reports for some time that American commanders are operating the HIMARS. And there is no question of CIA, MI6, and Polish mercenaries are operating in Ukraine. There is well over 3,000 of those. Lithuanians exist in smaller numbers. And then you have assorted red neck American neo-Nazis. Possibly as many as another 3,000 of them. But the people driving the tanks are trained professionals. Ukraine does not have many of them left. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco

You wrote: "Why wouldn't there be NATO troops in Ukie colors?". Because conspiracies are had to keep secret. And because the Ukrainians are willing to spill their blood for what they consider their homeland. Conservative (talk) 16:12, September 10, 2022 (EDT)

Ukraine's best forces are long dead, and you do not know what a Ukrainian is. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:41, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
There's at least 4,000 foreign troops fighting on the Izium front right now, and Ukraine is multicultural; Hungarians, Gypsies, Bulgars, Taters, Moldovans, etc. are not Ukrainian, and this is not their fight. Ukrainians live in the west; Donbas is Russian, and they are fighting for their homeland. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:45, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
There are mass arrests right now occurring in towns the Russians vacated; there probably be a repeat of the Bucca massacre in some places by the SBU (orders have already been publicly posted). Hordes of refugees are fleeing east. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:50, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
The Rada passed a law in June that anyone accepting food or medical services from Russians is a collaborator (basically, Stalin did the same thing to anyone who was behind German lines and under German occupation who was not an active member of a partisan resistance group; even at that, some partisans got caught up in mass arrests) and can be executed under martial law. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:57, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
Many Banderites fled west to Poland and Germany; active resistance against Stalin and the Red Army continued til 1954 (with CIA assistance). But Stalin considered anyone not part of the partisan resistance to be a Banderite. Banderites that were captured and not executed on the spot were shipped off to Siberia. Hence, the Maidan regime is Bandera's revenge against the Russian people (i.e. the Russian people, not communism. That's why it's so confusing, cause the Russian people were as much victims of communism as the Ukrainians. Only Ukrainians have turned their political animosity toward oppression into ethnic hatred. Just as with the German's in East Germany, the Russians refused to become like the Nazis and harbor ethnic hatred toward the Germans or Ukrainians who fought against them. They focused on purging the Nazi ideology, as they are doing now again.) RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:06, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
Let's carry this analytical discussion one step further: like the German people who consider themselves victims of Nazism, Russians likewise consider themselves victims of communism. Only in the case of Russians, communism never ruled by the consent of the governed, whereas the Nazis were democratically elected. So this is the test of Russophobia; anyone who thinks of Russians stereotypically as communists, but not Germans as Nazis, is a xenophobic bigot. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:02, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
My prediction: Putin will be very persistant as far as this war. Eventually, this conflict will turn into a on again/off again/on again/off again, etc. etc. conflict with it being somewhat of a frozen conflict. Conservative (talk) 19:32, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
Your prediction is very naive; what if the events in Donbas is Putin's undoing, he resigns and gets replaced by somebody less concerned about the lives of civilians and willing to get the job done? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:19, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
You're gonna need a bigger space laser, man. Maybe you can write in a few golems sweeping back the Nazi / NATO hordes. ConwayIII (talk) 21:32, September 10, 2022 (EDT)
This is NATO's last stand; they've thrown everything they have into the fight. Remember what Putin said, 'we haven't even started yet.' RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:53, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
Yeah, man. Leaving divisions' worth of materiel behind and running for the border was part of the plan all along. It's such a cunning plan, in fact, that your boys will shortly be repeating it elsewhere in theater just to really wrong-foot the Ukrainians and NATO. ConwayIII (talk) 17:57, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
They've been redeployed to the Zaporozhye line opposite Ugledar, [8] where the main thrust of the Zelensky Offensive will occur in an effort to drive toward Mariupol and encircle the city of Donetsk. It's not unlike the withdrawal from Snake Island, only on a larger scale. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:17, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
It was a rout, man. A complete collapse of the defensive line around Izyum. Redeploying troops take their kit with them. ConwayIII (talk) 18:32, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
I saw all those videos of allegedly captured Russian tanks. How come none had a Z on them? Memo to self: Next time you wish to create a fake news propaganda video, take along a $1.59 can of white spray paint. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:05, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
Gestapo round ups of civilians are now happening. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:42, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
Sad trombone for the collaborators. ConwayIII (talk) 18:58, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
Ukrainians and NATO mercenaries have suffered around 36,000 casualties over the past 11 days, including about 10,000 killed in action. Russian losses have been extremely minimal. Ukrainian and NATO forces (as has been demonstrated over and over again) have absolutely no regard for human life. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:02, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
Russia faces a political problem now; they were welcomed as liberators in the northern Donbas and Kharkov regions; they assured the people they were here to stay. Now the southern Kherson & Zaporozhye referendums have been delayed. The people of Russia, especially the 2 million Ukrainian refugees there, are calling for escalation and total mobilization. The offensive is simply another NATO provocation. Will the Duma take the NATO bait? Let's hope not, at least not yet. Meanwhile, a tactical nuclear strike against NATO forces can't be ruled out. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:18, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
The Russians have successfully drawn Ukrainian forces out of the trenches and out from hiding among civilian populations. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 06:53, September 12, 2022 (EDT)


The Russians, whether it is Putin or his successors, are going to be very persistent. The prediction I made in my previous post is based on this essay: A LOOK AT RUSSIAN CIVILIZATION: POWER, TRUTH, TRUST, AND WAR. It is also based on John Mearsheimer's commentary on the conflict and the Ukrainian's behavior. Although I don't agree with all of this video, I think this video made some good points: Russia's military power: What the Ukraine war has taught us. Conservative (talk) 01:43, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

The Sky News report is b.s.; it begins, 'Remember the war began as Putin trying to conquer the whole of Ukraine'. Pure crap.
It is a good signal to you, however, when a propagandist wears their badge on their sleeve. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:58, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
I said I don't agree with all of the video. Just part of it. I agree with John Mearsheimer on why the war happened. Conservative (talk) 02:02, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
That's the beauty of propaganda - it's made up of half truths - leaving you to pick and choose which parts you want to accept or believe. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:07, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
Read your other link on Truth and Trust and Russia. It's like many others. Speaking of 'Whataboutism', I love this part:
The point is that in the West, lying is stigmatized. They are ashamed of it, they hide it, deny it, get confronted by journalists, evade, and occasionally apologize. Getting caught in a lie more often marks the end of a political career, rather than the beginning.
Wow. Where was the author for the past 30 years since Clintonism (who negotiated the Budapest memorandum). Didn't both Biden and Stoltenberg just admit they lied to Zelensky to bait him into war with Russia? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:09, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
Especially this part: "get confronted by journalists". Really? Journalists are the guardians of truth? Seems to me they are the biggest manufacturer of lies in recent years. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:12, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
A few questions here."Donbas is Russian" How? Because the majority of people are ethnic Russian? Is San Diego Mexican? It does not work that way. The only people who think Donbas is Russian is Russia, a handful of it's puppet states and a few million people who are bitter that Ukraine did not break international law and bow to Trumps demands. Donbas is Ukrainian. Slava Ukraini.--Chewy Suarez (talk) 09:10, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
Please refrain from using fascist salutations here. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:05, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
When the people of San Diego hold a referendum to secede from California and the United States, declare independence, hold 1 million Mexican passports, sign cooperative security agreements with Mexico and ask the parliament of Mexico for admission to the Union, Nancy Pelosi visits and the MIC provides them with $1 billion in weapons, we'll discuss your question. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:22, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

Ukraine is a cleft country. Historically, they are more likely to be hotspots in terms of conflict. Conservative (talk) 10:41, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

  • Wounded NATO troops arrive back in Europe. NATO/Ukraine has at lost 12,000 KIA this month so far, with 3x that wounded; odd, Russians casualties remain minimal. The kill ratio has been over 10:1 since February. I don't think Russians have suffered anywhere near that during the "counteroffensive", and I've kept my own estimates since February, which have held up and been borne out by later reporting. I doubt 400 Russians have been killed this month, maybe the casualty rate is that high, with about 25% KIA, but we need more info before saying anything definitive. While Western MSM has always been boastful and prone to massive exaggeration, Western MSM has been strangely silent on Russian dead in the counteroffensive. Probably cause they have the whole Russian force killed off already, according to the CIA. There's barely 60,000 Russian combat troops in Ukraine right now, which is why 200,000 NATO and Ukrainian forces have been able to seize vacated territory held by the Russians, albeit at a disproportionate huge cost (in line with the Russian overall objective of "demilitarization".)RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:42, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
Bottomline, there just is no comparison between how the United States and NATO fight a war, and how Russia does. And to make comparisons at the strategic level is foolish. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:45, September 19, 2022 (EDT)

Putin asked to resign[edit]

US Government document from 2010 part of the Snowden leaks and sharing agreements with the UK. The Five Eyes program of the English speaking world (United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) use social media for “propaganda,” “deception,” “mass messaging,” “pushing stories”, and "discrediting” the intelligence agencies' enemies with false information spread online.[1]

His 83% approval rating probably will take a hit. Word is, he's not nuking the NATO troops in Ukraine because of the reaction it may cause in Africa and the global south since Russia has worked hard to get them on their side rather than the colonial powers of the West. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:52, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

Poll: 65% want Russia to get tougher in Ukraine. [9] Unlike America and Europe, Russians have full access to Western propaganda media and fake news. So if those drunken idiot subhuman Russians can see through Western propaganda and b.s., what, pray tell, is wrong with Americans and Europeans? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:56, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

How Putin’s digital Iron Curtain is struggling to suppress dissent over war and 'Digital iron curtain': Russia's grip on online access threatens global Internet and Russia Is Quietly Ramping Up Its Internet Censorship Machine and Building trust in the tool millions are using to pierce Putin’s digital iron curtain and Behind Russia's 'digital iron curtain', tech workarounds thrive. Conservative (talk) 15:46, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
Wow. All controlled media propaganda sources. Good work. You never read the Snowden leaks or Vault 7. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:13, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
It's because Julian Assange released Vault 7, documenting the intelligence community and Silicon Valley's unholy alliance to control media and propaganda narratives, that he's being extradited to the U.S. for a crime he never committed. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:15, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
United Press International (UPI) is a conservative alternative to the Associated Press. But if you want to stay in your pro-Putin bubble, it's your choice. Conservative (talk) 16:24, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
(ec) Suppression of the Laptop from Hell (among numerous other recent events) by the US intelligence community ought to be evidence enough that most of what Snowden alleged is factual. The intelligence community interfered in American democracy. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:42, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
Not only did the U.S. intelligence community directly interfere in the 2016 and 2020 elections (the prime source of the Steele dossier was a paid FBI informant, as reported the other day), the U.S. intelligence community did EXACTLY what the U.S. intelligence community (and its controlled media) accused Vladimir Putin and Russia of doing in both elections. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:55, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
And it should be patently obvious the U.S. intelligence community is interfering in the 2022 Midterms with the Mar-a-Lago raid and subpoenas on Trump supporters. How many more years do you wish to waste with your head in the sand? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:58, September 15, 2022 (EDT)


UPI only repeats other mainstream sources, has extremely limited circulation, and cannot (or should not) be classified or called "conservative".

The Telegraph is also conservative/right leaning. Conservative (talk) 16:35, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

Really? What's the difference between UK "conservatives" and American "conservatives"? Benedict Arnold was a Tory, i.e. conservative, loyal to the British crown. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:39, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
From 1776, British conservatives tried three times to destroy the American Union; (a) the Revolutionary war; (b) War of 1812; (c) a proxy war through the Confederacy. It was a Democrat segregationist, Woodrow Wilson, who made America's No.1 enemy an ally in 1917.
Your understanding of liberal v. conservative is deeply flawed. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:48, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
These are not contests between "liberal" and "conservative" news organizations, as you imagine.
First, you need an understanding of the news publishing and news reporting business, which (given your MPR postings), is lacking. Second, once you grasp the rudiments of modern journalism and reporting, you need to divide it between domestic reporting and foreign reporting. And given your penchant to see everything as "liberal' vs "conservative", this may be a difficult task. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:32, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

The notion that "Saint Putin", the ex-KGB agent who built Putin's Palace, is for a free press, is a rather implausible notion. Conservative (talk) 16:37, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

If there ever was a propagandistic term, "Putin's Palace" would be it. I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to use it. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:52, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
Basically, propaganda appeals to emotion, and not reason. Not only do we see the emotional effect propaganda has on yourself, you nakedly use emotional arguments, and not reason. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:17, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

Magdalena Andersson[edit]

So what is your argument here? Magdalena Andersson resignation was over Islamic immigration, crime, gay rights, and inflation, and had nothing to do with Magdalena Andersson abandoning 70 years of neutrality and taking the anti-democratic step joining NATO? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:49, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

Seems to me, the conservative voters of Sweden sided with Vladimir Putin against Swedish "liberals". RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:52, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

That's your "conservative victory" in Sweden, Sweden wants to preserve its neutrality, influenced by Russia against European globalists since 1945. They've had enough of European globalist encroachment on their society and culture, and agree with Vladimir Putin's arguments for not joining NATO. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:03, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

And why was Sweden flooded with Muslim refugees and crime? because of the NATO wars in Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan. So this "conservative victory" is directly attributable to anti-NATO sentiment, as best articulated by the world leader of the conservative, anti-globalist movement, Vladimir Putin. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:11, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

Debunking Western agitprop[edit]

This writer has been delivering good analysis of much of the West's fake news regarding the war and Russia. For example, this examination of a Reuter's piece: [10]

"Here is the lead paragraph of the Reuters piece:
Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.

You could be excused for thinking that this means the provisional deal was struck before Putin invaded Ukraine. After all, that’s the most logical inference to draw from a sentence reporting that “as the war began” a deal “had” been struck.

But this logical inference would be mistaken. Eight paragraphs into the piece—several paragraphs after Noah Smith quit reading, perhaps—we finally get to the fine print:

Two of the three sources said a push to get the deal finalized occurred immediately after Russia's Feb. 24 invasion. Within days, Kozak [the envoy] believed he had Ukraine's agreement to the main terms Russia had been seeking and recommended to Putin that he sign an agreement, the sources said."

I recommend subscribing to the substack. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:57, September 16, 2022 (EDT)

Blackout[edit]

Power outages in Kharkiv, Sumy, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye and Odessa regions. It also affected the areas of Donetsk regions controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the Kiev region. Hope you didn't have any food in the refrigerator. Other than that, it doesn't really make any difference seeing all the internet garbage coming from Ukrainian sources is all bull anyway.

Oh, no water, either. Brilliant move, Zelensky, taking instructions from Washington and NATO.

Look at the upside, tho. If the election were held tomorrow (among survivors who don't starve to death), they'd have to use paper ballots and not electronic voting machines. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:59, September 12, 2022 (EDT)

Oh, and all the victorious troops and tanks from the Kharkov front, being transferred south the Zaporozhye front via electric trains, were eliminated overnight. They were sitting ducks on immobile trains. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 06:48, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
Looks like a thermobaric. Significance: the TOS-1 only has a range of 3.5 km, so it must have been aerial launched. Unless the video is a fake for propaganda purposes. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:27, September 12, 2022 (EDT)

What happened on the Izium-Kharkov front[edit]

No, the Russians were not caught flat footed. There were only about 2,000 Russians remaining in Izium. NATO had gathered a force of about 15,000 troops in Polish T-72 tanks with other modern NATO weapons. For the first time, Ukrainian infantry came above ground from their trenches, and tanks were removed from hiding out among civilian residential apartment complexes. Ukraine has been promising NATO since April to go on the offensive to justify to Western sponsors and taxpayers all the aid given.

The town and villages taken by NATO were occupied, not by Russians, but by non-combat police units of the Lugansk People's Republic. All 2,000 of the Russians were safely evacuated; at least 2,000 NATO/Ukrainian troops were killed. Additionally, another 20,000 Ukrainian forces were killed on the Kherson front in previous days.

A third "counteroffensive" is planned toward Mariupol. The 2,000 troops from Izium are being redeployed to that southern front. Some of the 15,000 NATO forces were also being redeployed to the south. They, and their tanks, were destroyed ("demilitarized") on electric trains enroute during the power outage.

The attack on civilian infrastructure, the electric power plants, marks a change in Russian policy. In response to Ukraine's campaign of assassination, terror, and sabotage, Russia likely now will upgrade from an SMO to an anti-terror campaign. Under Russian law, conscripts cannot be used outside Russia's borders unless war is declared by the Duma. An anti-terror campaign is somewhere between an SMO and declaration of war; however it will allow, under Russian law, to bring more forces to bare. An anti-terror campaign will allow Russia to target the terrorist leadership.

No, Russia never intended to "conquer all of Ukraine"; IOWs, Kharkov and the northern territory were never part of Russia's stated objectives (Odessa OTOH, may still be taken). Russia has stuck to its plan to liberate the Donbas, denazify and demilitarize, and defend the Donbas, Mariupol land bridge, and Crimea. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:51, September 12, 2022 (EDT)

^^^^This is your brain on copium. Just say no, kids. ConwayIII (talk) 16:16, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
Southfront: "The armed conflict in eastern Ukraine has finally turned into a state of war between Russia and NATO with unpredictable results for all parties in the conflict".
Who is Southfront? According to Wikipedia, "SouthFront ...is a multilingual fake news website registered in Russia that...publishes news focused on "security issues, foreign policy, military analysis and reports on military hardware" while "loyally relaying whatever suits the Kremlin." Ignore at your peril. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:08, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
It was more entertaining when you were threatening nuclear tsunamis. A quick one for old times' sake? ConwayIII (talk) 18:46, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
"unpredictable results for all parties in the conflict". Putin said on July 7, "we haven't even started in earnest yet." Now that NYT has admitted U.S. complicity, apparently Russia is now starting in earnest. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:59, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
Now you have to admit, the idiots running NATO & EU aren't very bright. 4 days ago it was reported they are closing aluminum factories cause electricity costs are up 800%. Aluminum is probably the most important component in aircraft manufacture. So, if these idiots really want total war, do they actually believe Europeans and Americans are willing to suffer the war time privations the WWII generation experienced? And Russians have a couple of decades head start on making those sacrifices. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:04, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
Oh, and then the idiots in the White House push Russia and China closer together, after knowing China not only has bioweapons off the shelf, they are willing to use them. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:09, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
My man, China is currently giving Russia the kind of side-eye usually reserved for drunken uncles who've just puked over the wedding cake. ConwayIII (talk) 19:19, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
Gotta love how you Democrats think. Like Obama. When China invades Taiwan, Obama will want to take it to the UN were Russia and China will veto a Security Council condemnation. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:38, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
So, do you really think Europeans are willing to sit in the dark with candles and freeze so the aircrft factories can turn out fighter jets for the war effort 24/7? What about the 6 million new migrants? how will they fare this winter in the European welfare state with no food, heat or electricity? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:43, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
While fake news and propaganda play an important part in any war, if you read the Snowden leaks, you'd know that is about the only tool left in the Western toolbox. And it's only directed against the domestic population. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:49, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
Meanwhile, the CCP-manufactured monkeypox scourge is already ravishing the West's core ideological constituents. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:54, September 12, 2022 (EDT)
If the war in Ukraine were a game of chess, it would still be in the opening stage. The major pieces haven't been developed yet. For example, is Putin willing and able to do a full mobilization? How much is Euruope willing to suffer and aid those who need help in their respective societies? How much will Biden support the Ukrainians after the midterm elections? How much is Biden willing to ramp up gas and oil production to help the Europeans? Conservative (talk) 01:14, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
"September 9 - 11 will go down in history as a period of great significance in the Russo-Ukrainian war. Both belligerent parties crossed very important thresholds, which taken together suggest that the war is entering a new phase. On the 9th and 10th, Ukraine achieved its first concrete success of the war by retaking all the Russian-held territory in Kharkov Oblast west of the Oskil river, including the western bank of Kupyansk and the transit node of Izyum.

Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin convened an emergency meeting of his national security council, which precipitated Russia’s own escalation on the 11th, when Ukrainian infrastructure was at long last subject to attack, plunging much of the country into darkness.

It seems clear that the war is entering a new phase...[11]

RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:49, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
Sure. It's entering the damage limitation phase. Basically, how to extract Russian land forces from occupied Ukraine (including Crimea) without being so badly mauled that Russia is left without a credible homeland defence.
Road and rail links along the south coast will be cut at some point and your boys will find themselves on the wrong side of the Dnieper, whichever bank of it they have to their rear. If Putin's not careful, he'll find himself having to do a Dunkirk out of Sevastopol. Good times, man. ConwayIII (talk) 16:48, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
The NATO counteroffensive has already petered out. Maybe you didn't get the memo: 5 days after the counteroffensive started, Blinken instructed Zelensky to toss in the towel. [12] RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:06, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
Hahaha. Nope. The trajectory of security assistance to Ukraine is perfectly clear, my man. ConwayIII (talk) 19:21, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
I'm sorry, I must have misread this part: "Blinken had conveyed Joe Biden’s message about the need to start negotiations with Putin." Hmmm, what happens to most flunkies who defy the boss? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:39, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
Over The Past Week We Have Gotten Several Steps Closer To A Nuclear War With Russia. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:16, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
Rt.com: "The US and its allies are in talks over whether to send Ukraine more advanced weapons in the future, including fighter aircraft, a US defense official has said, according to the Financial Times."[13] Conservative (talk) 20:30, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
There's been a big change; Ukraine can now buy factory direct from U.S. arms manufactures instead of getting hand-me-downs from U.S. stockpiles. Zelensky's become the poster boy and salesman-of-the-year for MIC. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:45, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
What has changed is, short of nuclear escalation, Russia will now begin fighting back with the same asymmetrical warfare that NATO/Ukraine has used - assassination, sabotage, terrorism. This places the entire Ukrainian regime leadership and NATO commanders, both in Ukraine and outside Ukraine, at risk. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:49, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
Russia's biggest concern at this point is the lives of civilians in formerly liberated territories who were abandoned to the Ukrainian Gestapo and Nazi terrorists. This has presented a massive political problem for Russia. Should tales of atrocities mount, regime change in Kyiv then likely will have to become a war aim and priority. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:55, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
Ukraine is starting to have momentum which can be a powerful force in war, sports, business, politics and causes.
"A large concentration of American and other foreign mercenaries using NATO weapons and vehicles and satellite intelligence provided by the US government discovered a poorly protected part of the Russian frontline and rolled over it.

The Ukrainian forces behind them will now be going in to massacre all of the pro-Russian civilians." [14]

Western media has lied to you every step of the way so far; I don't know why you'd believe them now.
Ukraine supposedly has been winning this war all along, now suddenly they have their first victory? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:46, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
When I hear the word propaganda, the first people I think of are the Soviets and the Russians. The Russians are known for being big liars. Unfortunately, among the Anglosphere, the Americans are the biggest liars. They did a study of the salesman in the USA, UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. American salesman lied the most frequently. Conservative (talk) 02:00, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
When I hear 'propaganda', I think of Facebook and the DNC. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:00, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
P.S. When I see countries leveling cities in large urban areas and other cities like what was done in WWII, I generally want to see them lose. I cannot say I am weeping for Russia right now. Conservative (talk) 02:05, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
Oh, you want the Axis Powers to win after Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:00, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
The reason the war has progressed slowly is precisely because of Putin's concern for civilian lives; Ukraine has already been cited by WaPo and Amnesty International for war crimes by using human shields. We'll see shortly what happens now that Ukraine and NATO forces have decided to go toe-to-toe without hiding behind civilians. But I would suspect Russia is also wanting to capture some yanks & other NATO forces alive. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:06, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
The difference between Russia and NATO is, NATO has a massive global propaganda apparatus. While it has captured and brainwashed yourself, it has not captured many outside the U.S. and Europe; even in Europe, people see through the ruse. It has utterly failed in Africa and Asia, and is not doing so well in Latin America.
Less than 12% of the global population accept NATO trash propaganda and lies, which it has been since the beginning, as truth or factual. Since the 1980s, this is what is meant by "high tech warfare" - propaganda and shaping a narrative. Frankly, I'm amazed you have bitten into it wholesale. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:11, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
I don't know if Ukraine winning is good or bad in relation to the future. I am not sure what Putin/Russian will do if he is desperate. Russia is a nuclear power that also has chemical weapons. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that Russia will not use nuclear weapons. Conservative (talk) 03:28, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
Let's suppose NATO/US & Russia fight to a standstill over the next month, year, or decade. And let's further suppose somebody on the NATO side comes up with an idea for a non-nuclear win. Duck and cover. Put your head between your legs and kiss your butt goodbye. The only way to avoid nuclear war now, is for the US to back down and grant Russia territorial concessions. Sanctions mean nothing. And Russia wants a say in whatever Kyiv regime that comes after to pledge not to ever join NATO. We'll all get nuked long before Ukraine joins NATO. Russia and Putin or whoever comes after him are not bluffing. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:00, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
Leeme 'splain how this works: all the narratives you've been fed to believe about Russia, Putin, and the war, by whatever source, originated in background briefings from Antony Blinken and Jake Sullivan; and before that Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Susan Rice, John Brennan, Joe Biden, et al. I don't care if you received it from Reuters, AP, CBS, WaPo, NYT, CNN, NBC, BBC or whoever - the narratives were shaped and spread by these sources and their staffs, cronies, donors, media consultants, script writers, and press spokesmen as the gospel and authorative (never mind Hillary, Biden, Kerry or other's conflicts of interest with family members). You cannot separate the rabid hatred for Putin in US media from the Laptop from Hell, the Clinton Foundation, Trump-Russia, Mar-a-Lago raid, Big Tech shadow banning or any other scandal and cover up over the past 8-10 years.
The words you accept as truth originated in Hillary Clinton, Jake Sullivan, or any other of these corrupt officials' mouth. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:29, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
The only voices clamoring for Putin' removal are those that say he's been too soft, fighting the war with both hands behind his back. From my perspective, he's baited both NATO & the EU into a trap - because he's known all along the war is with NATO, the US, and the US colonial vassal states of Europe. The EU vassals thought mobs would be in the street in Moscow last March when they passed sanctions; now the mobs will take to the streets in Europe and overthrow the globalist elites. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:11, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
In my off wiki life, I have been winning on two particular fronts in a big way. If I am going to win on other fronts, which have more difficult terrain, I am going further wean myself from politics, news and entertainment. :) So let me know if WWIII happens or a nuclear war happens! Given the possible ramifications of Russia using a nuke (mutually assured destruction), I doubt Russia will use a tactical nuke, but who knows. Desperate people do desperate things. And a rat is the most dangerous once you corner him. Conservative (talk) 10:18, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
We only got 9 years left anyway before the climate apocalypse. Looks like Russian sanctions won't delay or alter that since coal-burning electrical plants are being fired up. If a nuclear war occurs in the interim, I won't be able to text you since all the power will be out. So Adios my friend, if we lose communication. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:19, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
NATO reserves under Ukrainian colors. [2]

Sweden is moving to the right. The populist right is gaining in Canada too. Soon the whole world will be using coal. Joe Manchin, the coal baron, will be the next President of the USA and the national capital will be moved to West Virginia. Don't worry. Should Jesus tarry, Elon Musk will find a way for humanity to live on Mars so we don't have to depend on the government run NASA. Conservative (talk) 14:54, September 14, 2022 (EDT)

The new anthem of the EU can be found HERE. Conservative (talk) 14:58, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
MIC News Update: Army Wants to Double Or Triple Some Arms Production As Ukraine War Continues.
Interpretation: The brilliant geniuses who plotted this war since the 2014 Crimean Annexation admit things have not, and are not, going according to plan.

nukes[edit]

As to the probability of nuclear war: Do not take it off the table. The level of Ukraine regime forces killed in action, which is over 80,000 at this point, shows the willingness of NATO/Ukraine to accept losses, and conscious disregard for human lives and suffering. By contrast, the Russians have fewer than 10,000 killed, in the range of 7,000 to 9,000, with the largest majority (over 80%) of those in the first 6 weeks of the incursion. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:29, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
In the period from the end of March to end of August, the Russians had fewer than 500 killed, whereas Ukrainian forces have lost more than 50,000 since early July (or 500 daily). We have really no indication how many Russians have been killed since early September - the start of the counteroffensive - because basically the Ukrainian (and NATO) forces were "punching at air" - occupying space the Russians vacated with little fighting. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:43, September 15, 2022 (EDT)

The danger of tactical nuclear escalation is not being reported in the Western propaganda apparatus, but it's very real.

For the first six months of the war, Ukrainian forces were dug into trenches (which they've constructed for 8 years) and their armor and artillery were hid in residential areas and apartment complexes. Ukraine seriously has suffered 100,000 KIA since February, meaning many of their best trained forces are lost.

At the end of August, NATO forces, in Ukrainian colors, led the counterattack in Kharkiv and northern Donbas (approximately 1 out of 3, or 3,000 to 4,000 NATO forces from 25 member states led the attack in Izium and Kharkov). This means a force of 9,000 to 12,000 wearing Ukrainian colors finally surfaced and massed above ground, out of their trenches, and from behind their civilian human shields. Russians, who have been on the offensive, do not have fortified defense positions. They are outnumbered in some sectors 3:1 to 8:1 (not as if the Russian General Staff did not anticipate this from happening).

S-300 and S-400 missile defense systems have been removed from St. Petersburg (meaning, if St. Petersburg is attacked, the response will not be an attempt to shoot down the missile or aircraft, but nuclear).

So now we have to discuss strategic nuclear vs tactical nuclear (sorry to sound like a boomer, but your idiot teachers taught you nuclear war would never happen and climate change is the biggest threat to humanity). Strategic nuclear weapons can wipe out a whole city; tactical weapons can wipe out a military base. With Ukrainian/NATO forces now exposed on the Kharkov (and Kherson) fronts, Biden and NATO are leaving the Russians with few choices other than wiping them out where they are finally massed above ground, and outnumber Russians by more than 3:1, with tactical nukes. Unfortunately, Biden, NATO, and the EU have made it absolutely clear their objective is to wipe the Russian state, culture, and civilization off the map, permanently. There is no debate, diplomacy, or negotiations on this point anymore. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:06, September 18, 2022 (EDT)

And Russia will not surrender to become a US vassal state like Germany and the rest of NATO. Russia's nuclear doctrine has been stated clearly long before Putin ever came to power, and is unchanged. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:25, September 18, 2022 (EDT)

Kherson counteroffensive[edit]

Oops. NATO & Ukraine escalation backfires. Bombing civilian infrastructure, like dams, bridges, and power plants, which NATO & Ukraine have done since April, was a big mistake. Now the NATO counter-invasion force east on the Ingulets river on the west bank of the Dneriper is cut off, after the river rose 6 feet over night. Simple choice faces these forces in the next 48 hours - join their fellow Banderites in hell (as the 12,000 lost on this same front this month already) or surrender. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:20, September 14, 2022 (EDT)

NATO/Ukraine has been attacking civilian infrastructure (dams, bridges, power plants) since April, whereas, contrary to Western MSM, the Russians have not. The Russians have not flattened Kyiv, nor the bridges across the Dnieper that brought NATO weapons to Kharkiv. Rather than provoking a full Russian mobilization - which is what NATO/US/EU wants, the Russian response is matching NATO/Ukraine's escalation of attacking civilian infrastructure. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:54, September 14, 2022 (EDT)

Slow clap, man. Making the Inhulets harder to cross just leaves your western-most flank around Kherson even more isolated and makes it more difficult for the rest of your boys to retreat towards Kherson when the Ukrainians push south between the Inhulets and Dnieper.
Meanwhile, you no longer have the the ability to mass sufficient force & fires to have a proper tilt at the Ukrainian bridgehead. Here's hoping you have a go, though, so any half-decent concentrations can be picked off. ConwayIII (talk) 18:58, September 14, 2022 (EDT)
Ah duh, maybe you're misreading the (now confirmed) reports. It is the NATO/Ukrainian main advances that are cut off. [15][16][17][18]. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:13, September 14, 2022 (EDT)

Ukraine takes responsibility for terrorist attacks[edit]

This is a big, big story (of course, MSM & Congressional committees won't investigate it). An advisor (Podolyak) to Zelensky's chief of staff (Yermak) says unashamedly that Zelensky & Co. ordered assassinations and terrorist attacks. [19] Now, had Russia gone down this road, Zelensky would have been targeted with a Kinzhal missile months ago (yah yah yah, I know all about the fake news propaganda that Putin sent a Chechen hit squad bla bla bla back in February). However, this high level admission from a Zelensky administration official makes both the United States & the Kyiv regime state sponsors of terrorism (ok, so Lindsey Graham & Zelensky both want to label Russia as such to neutralize and blunt the revelation of facts regarding the US, NATO, and Kyiv).

Being that the MSM & US government want to ignore the truth and facts (of course, the guy making the admission can always be fired, but that doesn't change anything) the UN is about the only forum the Russian Foreign Ministry can receive a hearing. But the truth of the matter - given this admission - is Putin is 100% correct in saying the U.S. invents rules for itself in its "rules based order" and "Liberal World Order". This is precisely why Russia is challenging U.S. unipolar hegemony with the Special Military Operation, and why 140 members of the 195 UN General Assembly (or 88% of the planet, democratically speaking) will continue voting down U.S. & NATO hypocrisy.

Isaia 42:18 - Hear ye dumb, and see ye blind... RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:24, September 17, 2022 (EDT)

So Antony Blinken will argue (then repeated by MSM and all kinds of brainwashed Americans) that U.S. sponsored terrorism is preferable to all out nuclear war. Any idiot going down that road needs to consult with Vladimir Putin and the Russian General Staff, first, before accepting it or adopting it as policy. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:32, September 17, 2022 (EDT)

IOWs, while state sponsored terrorism against innocents and children, budgeted with $53 billion, can go on for decades, it can also be terminated instantly with the flip of a switch. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:38, September 17, 2022 (EDT)

And what we know of Vladimir Putin since his rise in the Chechen and Georgian wars is, he will not allow U.S.-sponsored terrorists to threaten and defeat Russia. This fits Russia's longstanding doctrine for use of nuclear weapons. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:46, September 17, 2022 (EDT)

Why are the referendums being held now?[edit]

Originally, referendums to declare independence for Zaporozhye and Kherson were scheduled for Sep. 11. The Kherson counteroffensive was delayed from Aug. to Sept. to interfere with the referendums, so they were cancelled. Then in the northern counteroffensive near Kharkov, Ukrainian gestapo "filtration" mass arrests have been occurring. That, coupled with the terrorist murders of civilians in Donetsk by U.S. HIMARS (the HIMARS are operated by American forces; it takes 18 months training to learn how to operate HIMARS, but Ukraine has only had them for 3 months).

So because of the ongoing genocide of ethnic Russians and Russian speaking people by NATO and the Kyiv regime, the people in the liberated territories are in a panic, and fleeing to Putin for protection. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:08, September 20, 2022 (EDT)

So now we will be treated to the joke that 4 million illegal aliens who entered the U.S. are entitled to vote, while the subhuman Russians of Ukraine have no democratic human rights to self determination. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:13, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
Russia and the Donbas should immediately pass a law saying that anyone questioning the integrity of elections is an insurrectionist and domestic terrorist, subject to arrest. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:15, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
So what's Biden's next move? Voter suppression by targeting polling places with precision HIMAR strikes. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:17, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
Update: DPR may allow remote electronic voting; [20] no word on mail in or drop boxes yet. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:20, September 20, 2022 (EDT)

How this plays out in the real world: After the Russian State Duma accepts the applications from the independent Republics to join the Russian Federation, a HIMAR strike on Russian Federation territory will result in an immediate retaliatory Kinzhal strike on the HIMAR's base of operations and supply in Poland and Ramstein Airbase in Germany. Putin, and the RF's UN Ambassadors I would presume, will address the world first explaining how NATO and the United States are, right now (September 20), at war with the Russian Federation.

What you should do: Get off the Zelensky bandwagon and join the peace movement now. Stockpiling survival gear and living off the power grid is not a viable solution.

Russia has no intermediate steps between conventional and nuclear, as the Pentagon, NATO, and MIC have wargamed for decades. The idea that Russia will surrender it's 6,000 nukes to a bunch of Sodomites who run the West is ridiculous. Russia will never lose this war. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:45, September 20, 2022 (EDT)

My man, the Ukranians have been hitting targets in and around Belgorod for months and have recently started taking their first potshots at Crimea. Putin did nowt. The idea he'll go nuclear over continued strikes on freshly-annexed territory is weapons-grade guff and you know it.
In fairness, he has just nuked what's left of frontline morale by extending (indefinitely!) the service of all those desperate mooks who thought they'd get rich or die tryin' with a 3-month contract. They're doubtless every bit as thrilled as the newly mobilised reservists at the prospect of a long cold winter in a frozen trench or pillbox with increasingly borked supply lines to their rear. ConwayIII (talk) 17:03, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
The 10:1 kill ratio is all you need to know. 300,000 reservists will maintain that ratio, and the demilitarization operation will be completed. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:40, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
No. The reservists might patch things up enough to get you into winter with only the humiliation of "regrouping" your way back across the Dnieper. They'll be fed in piecemeal across the line because you're desperate for bodies and don't have the time (or training capacity) to constitute them as new units. After that, frostbite & exposure & Ukrainian shelling should have them thoroughly mutinous in time for the season of goodwill gestures. ConwayIII (talk) 19:12, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Russian reservists won't show up until December or January, and Ukraine pretty much shot its wad with its reserves in the Kharkov advance. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:26, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
60 days out from the Midterms, Biden & Zelensky needed a win. Zaluzhny advised against it. Now they're all screwed. But it's not like Zelensky or Biden actually care about the lives of Ukrainians or Ukrainian soldiers. They got their media headlines, and brainwashed idiots like yourself MSM news consumers. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:32, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
The reason the Russians were caught by surprise in Kharkov is, they couldn't believe military commanders could be that stupid. But then again, the Russians don't really, very often, conduct military operations dictated by political and public relations purposes. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:40, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
All wars have both a political and military objective. It is the political objective that set the military in motion. Once the military is set in motion, the political objective recedes into the background, and the military objective becomes the focused task. If a political objective tries to micromanage the military objective, the results are often disastrous failures like Operation Marketgarden or Zelensky's Kharkov Offensive. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:50, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Don't be silly, man. The initial wave of reservists is going straight to the front because most of your so-called BTGs are currently operating at < 50% strength and there's barely anyone left to press-gang into the L/DPR militia units. This will happen over the next few weeks. ConwayIII (talk) 19:10, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
It may be over before that. Once the Duma accepts the results of a free, fair, and democratic election, the first artillery shell to hit Donetsk probably will result in a tactical nuke on Avdiivka. Afterward, you can debate if the referendums were valid.
The choice is clear for voters, Russia or NATO. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:41, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
Alternatively, the so-called, "International Peacekeeping and Security Centre" NATO base operated by the United States at Yavoriv, about 35 miles west-northwest of Lviv in Western Ukraine and about 10 miles from the Polish border on the smuggling route for weapons from the West and where foreign mercenaries are trained, is a prime tactical nuclear target. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:13, September 26, 2022 (EDT)
A tactical nuclear strike on a NATO outpost near the Polish border would "change the landscape", so to speak, about any future NATO interference in Ukrainian internal affairs. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:17, September 26, 2022 (EDT)

NATO interference[edit]

Zelensky and Putin had agreed upon a settlement after 5 weeks of fighting. NATO, as represented by Boris Johnson, told Zelensky don't take the deal cause the U.S. taxpayer is picking up the cost of continued resistance (at the time the Russians lost 4,000 KIA of their 6,000 presently. Ukraine probably had about 14,000 KIA then. It has 60,000, a lowball estimate, now).

So what do we conclude? Russia will not settle with the Zelensky regime, and NATO has made itself a party to the conflict. For there to be ceasefire, NATO has to get the hell out, or the planet has to suffer a nuclear exchange, after which NATO then will have to get the hell out and Russia assured that NATO, like Germany, will never be a threat again. RobSIc h bin ein breakfast taco 20:01, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

That is hysterics. The likelihood of a nuclear war is low. If it were high, I am sure you would be working a lot of hours to have the money to move to Africa or Latin America or to build well-stocked a bomb shelter. If you have the money already, I am sure you would be doing these things. But you aren't doing these things in all likelihood. Conservative (talk) 20:18, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
You simply don't understand (a) nuclear doctrine, or (b) Russian nuclear doctrine. You probably have some understanding of American nuclear doctrine, but that's all. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:36, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Reference: Western Allies Led By UK's Johnson Sabotaged Tentative Ukraine-Russia Peace Deal... In April, Sep. 1, 2022, RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:52, September 23, 2022 (EDT)

Is Putin bluffing?[edit]

People who are skeptical of Putin's words should look at the evidence before their faces, nightly on television, for the past seven months. There is a difference in perspective and attitude toward the realistic probability of nuclear war among the citizenry of the West and Russia now for the past 3 or 4 generations.

Civilians in Ukraine have survived the artillery bombing because of the extensive use of nuclear bomb shelters within each 5-story apartment complex built in the 1950s and 1960s (even small towns with a population of 5,000 have these 5-story complexes with bomb shelters). Look at Mariupol, or the catacombs beneath Azovstal, for instance. There is nothing comparable in the West that was provided by government to civilians and workers (which begs the question in the minds of Russian and earlier Soviet peoples, "whose system of government cares more about the lives of its people?" This is why the people of Donbas will vote for the Ruski Mir, and not for "Western democracy".)

In 1991, people breathed a sigh of relief cause they figured the bomb shelters would not be needed; now citizens and voters are grateful to their Soviet forebearers for preparing them for the threat of nuclear war from the West. The options of continued conventional warfare for Russia will (or have) run out long before NATO's will, and the Russian people have been prepared for the next step (nuclear escalation), instilled in their consciousness for generations. In the West, all we have is ignorance among the population about warfare and nuclear warfare, and even greater ignorance among our political leaders, and many military planners. It is not as if Russian, and before that Soviet, leaders have not tried to alert us of this disparity in perceptions. Russian leaders and people are, and have always been, much more paranoid and ready to act. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:48, September 23, 2022 (EDT)

So let's examine the question of limited vs. full scale (tactical vs. strategic) nuclear warfare momentarily; if the Russian economy is as miniscule and weak as Westerners claim, there would be no need for a full scale nuclear strike on the Russian population (other than some sadistic, murderous calculation by political leaders and their political constituents); whereas a limited, tactical nuclear strike on Ukrainian and NATO military forces inside Ukraine would serve the purpose of completing demilitarization. The only risk to Russia is negative publicity among its African, Asian, and Latin American allies. A nuclear strike on Japan served the same U.S. interests in limiting loss of life among U.S. troops and ending the conflict. If Biden and other NATO psychopaths wanted to escalate after that (say a nuclear strike on Russia proper), so be it. That's the risk. The U.S. and NATO cannot win that conflict, either. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:23, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
Biden, Blinken, and Lord Austin must stop their aggressive actions and provocations now, or risk nuclear reprisal. Putin could not be more clear. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:18, September 25, 2022 (EDT)

Rand Paul rips Democrats' priorities as nation faces mounting crises. Rand Paul disagrees with sending military aid to Ukraine and says it is inflationary[edit]

Afghanistan has been replaced by Ukraine as the central point for money-laundering; it's closer to Europe so the European oligarchs get in on the scam.
Congress appropriates billions; Zelensky kicks it back to MIC, various NGOs and banks; members of Congress (who are also stockholders) get their campaign financing. And everybody gets a cut. Hell, this could go on for 20 years after which we donate $83 billion (pre-inflation estimate) in the most advanced equipment to Russia.
No wonder Congress never investigated the Afghan pullout - and a GOP House will not, either. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:15, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
Here's Zakharova describing the process. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:22, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
If I hear this argument one more time that wars do not begin in economic bad times, but only in good times when everything is going right, or that that $53 billion aid to Ukraine that gets kicked back to the MIC is not a stimulus package, I'm going to pull my hair out of my head. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:30, September 20, 2022 (EDT)

Rand Paul is also one of only two members of Congress to be formally labeled as "Russian propagandists" by the Ukrainian government. The other is Tulsi Gabbard. And people wonder why I would prefer a unity ticket between the two for 2024.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:33, September 17, 2022 (EDT)

Yes. And Rand Paul also is on the U.S.-backed Nazi terrorist kill list. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:55, September 23, 2022 (EDT)

Impeach Joe Biden[edit]

Fifty-two percent of Americans want to impeach Biden while 42 percent are opposed. See "Majority Believe It's Time to Impeach Biden." "Take care that the laws be faithfully executed," is how the constitution describes the president's job. So Biden's selective enforcement of immigration law is a clear-cut basis to impeach him. Trump was impeached in December 2019 for asking questions about Biden's decision to fire a prosecutor who was investigating a company where Hunter had a no-show job. With Biden's raid on Trump's home and his imprisonment of January 6 demonstrators, he has gone far beyond anything Trump did in terms of the use of public resources to act against opposition. PeterKa (talk) 03:18, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

This is why the 2024 election is an open seat; no way will Biden survive, either politically or by natural longevity. One or the other will get him first.
Seems to me Newsome and Michelle are the frontrunners on the Democrat side, with Bootyboy running a possible third. On the GOP you have either Trump/Lake, or DeSantis/Noem. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:23, September 11, 2022 (EDT)

The Dems are up in the polls. Is it 2016 over again?[edit]

Biden's approval number has bumped up from 37 percent in July to 43 percent today. The Dems' poll numbers have been boosted by "young people" supposedly attracted to Biden's climate and loan forgiveness agenda. Anyone familiar with polling can see a problem right there: Young people generally don't bother to vote unless they can "make history" by voting for Obama. The states responsible for the polling shift also boosted the Democrats prior to previous elections. But they failed to deliver on election day. “It raises the possibility that the apparent Democratic strength in Wisconsin and elsewhere is a mirage...An artifact of persistent and unaddressed biases in survey research.”[21]

I hope everyone realizes that the drop in gas prices is a scam. The Dems want us all in electric cars and the price of gas will be back up as soon as the midterms are over. China give Hunter a ton of money, so Xi Jinping's portfolio of rare earth mining shares has gotta pan out. PeterKa (talk) 23:13, September 12, 2022 (EDT)

GOP can't get its messaging straight; support for the NATO warmongers was extremely demoralizing. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:25, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
This ain't rocket science. Why should taxpayers support Hunter & Joe Biden's investments in Burisma with $53 billion, unless you believe the Laptop from Hell is Russian disinformation. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:32, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
I mean, Biden goes there and says, "unless you fire the SOB, you ain't getting the billion dollars;" now for $53 billion, how many members of Congress' kids, former "national security professionals", NGOs, and the MIC are getting $163,000 a month kickback? What, are we just stupid? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:37, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
"Thus says the LORD: Cursed are those who trust in mere mortals and make mere flesh their strength, whose hearts turn away from the LORD." - Jeremiah 17:5. Lately, I have seen the wisdom of putting much confidence in politicians - especially the boomers and their progeny. Maybe the USA will have to go through an economic depression to sober up. On the other hand, Christians are told to pray for their leaders. Conservative (talk) 01:04, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities... What are powers and principalities? i.e governments, spiritual wickedness in high places. We are told to love our enemies and do good to those who despitefully use you. "Leaders" is a fluid term; Moses was a leader, for example. A leader can little more than a pastor. To Christians in China right now, few call Xi their leader. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:55, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
Neither Barack Obama nor Joe Biden were ever my leader who I take direction from. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:56, September 13, 2022 (EDT)
Let's take the "render unto Ceasar" passage, for example - one of the most highly misquoted and mistaken interpreted passages you'll hear. Most preachers and bible teachers tell you it means, "pay your taxes" - a very fleshly interpretation. "whose image is this?" Man was created in God's image. Render unto God what is God's. Thus the meaning is the gospel in miniature. Render yourself unto God (and no, it doesn't tell you to pay the tithe, either). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:02, September 13, 2022 (EDT)

North Korea invited to Queen's funeral, Putin excluded[edit]

Leader's of Myanmar also excluded cause they came to power via a coup; however Zelensky, who came to power via a coup, is invited. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:00, September 14, 2022 (EDT)

Illegals in Martha Vinyard: Glory to DeSantis![edit]

The liberal media has managed to look away from its Trump obsession for long enough to focus its fury on Florida Governor Ron DeSantis for shipping illegals to Martha's Vinyard. They are not saying Martha's Vinyard doesn't deserve it, since that would be ridiculous. Not only is this one of the wealthiest communities in the country, its Obama's home, the man who gave us DACA. This illegal executive order went a long way toward making immigration law unenforceable. Obama's mansion on the island is big enough to handle all fifty migrants by itself.

Instead, the media claims that DeSantis is sending these poor immigrants to a hellhole of the kind that the Nazis could only dream of. No, seriously. See "Ron DeSantis' Holocaust--Update." The best part is that Martha's Vinyard has been so spooked that the town is making no effort take the high road.They have already sent the migrants on the Cape Cod. I'd feel the same way if it was my community. But I didn't vote for open borders. PeterKa (talk) 01:51, September 17, 2022 (EDT)

DeSantis and Abbott need to keep this up til election day. They need to co-ordinate better; for example the trip to Kamala's D.C. home was washed out by coverage of Martha's Vineyard. They need to select key locales for maximum impact. Racist Democrat mayors need to be exposed one-by-one. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:56, September 17, 2022 (EDT)
The liberal media claims that the migrants were deceived. Here is the map of Martha's Vinyard that they were all given. PeterKa (talk) 03:49, September 17, 2022 (EDT)
Yah they were deceived - by residents and businesses that posted yard signs and in shop windows welcome signs for migrants. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:24, September 17, 2022 (EDT)

The end of women's sport[edit]

In the 1970s, women's sports and Title IX were were seen as a great triumph of feminism. Now, they're a stumbling block on our way to pangendered utopia. "Separating Sports by Sex Doesn’t Make Sense," according The Atlantic. The Biden administration proposed regulations to end segregation by sex a few months back. Meanwhile, we are resegregating by race. Much of liberalism seems to be about destroying the work of earlier liberals.

Trans athletes are turning women's sports into a bad joke. It's obvious that things can't go on as they have. But that's not the reason The Atlantic gives. Any divisions in a sport are of course arbitrary. But a lot of money has been spent over many years to create an audience for women's sports. Why throw that work away? The article opens with a tale of a female athlete who was otherwise qualified, but was denied a place on a male team solely on account of her sex. But author seems to have done a significant amount of research to find this oddball case. It hardly represents a common experience. "As long as laws and general practice of youth sports remain rooted in the idea that one sex is inherently inferior, young athletes will continue to learn and internalize that harmful lesson," according to the article.

Every society in history that we know of has been based on the division of male and female. The proposed policy is a triumph of ideology over biology and history. "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." (Genesis 1:27) PeterKa (talk) 21:27, September 18, 2022 (EDT)

Inflation and the rail strike[edit]

It's a generational thing. The Millennial's will have to learn on their own, after their idiotic voting patterns.

A crippling railway strike was allegedly averted, by caving into worker demands for pay increases above the rate of inflation. Of course, those 8.3%+ pay increases then are passed along in the price of all commodities moved by rail, upping inflation beyond 8.3%. This scenario then has to be played out with all union workers in all industries. By the time pay raises ripple through all industries, having the same effect as compounded interest, next year's contracts have to be re-negotiated at even higher rates.

The net result ultimately is a replay of the UK's Winter of Discontent, with rotting garbage and unburied corpses in the street cause trash collectors and gravediggers are on strike. Ultimately, a Maggie Thatcher-type character has to come along to fix things and make the economy function again, giving leftists new ammunition for something to bellyache about. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:34, September 18, 2022 (EDT)

Report is the pay increase is 25% + a $50,000 bonus. All those costs have to be passed along to all goods transported by rail, kicking off a second round of inflation. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 06:22, September 19, 2022 (EDT)

Understanding inflation and monetary policy[edit]

The present circumstances offer a good opportunity to learn and understand some basics of monetary policy. Good money supply management and growth requires a lot of guess work on population growth, for example the net offset of the number of 16-year-olds on up entering the workforce versus attrition (death of Social Security retirement and pension recipients). This used to be called "natural population growth", but nowadays any "natural growth" comes from immigration, and not so much from the indigenous birth rate. So anyway, the figure to be included now is the number of illegal immigrants over the "natural rate" of increase.

Let's take a low ball estimate of 3,000,000 captured illegals plus 1,000,000 "gotaways" = 4,000,000. And let's also lowball the assumption that the demand for cash to keep 4 million illegal immigrants at the poverty level ($16,000) = a net demand of $64 Billion (with a "B") currency in circulation; without the Fed printing presses meeting that demand, the demand for cash (as well as illegal immigrant property theft and crimes) and interest rates would rise.

So, believe it or not, 4 million new illegal immigrants actually is having a deflationary effect at the moment, sopping up some of the excess currency in circulation. Inflation would actually be higher right now without them. This condition will not persist, however, as the Fed will adjust not only for their presence, their access to government programs (housing needs, medical, etc), as well as the positive side of the ledger - their contributions to the economy as some of them get jobs, start working, and need paychecks. But it would be interesting to study these two simultaneous phenomena (inflation and a flood of immigrants), as I can't ever remember it happening before. And you know Democrats at the federal and state level will begin programs, needing Federal Reserve Notes, to buy their votes. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 06:50, September 19, 2022 (EDT)

Now we come to the question of "money velocity"; the $64 Billion needed to accommodate the demand for cash from 4 million new illegal immigrants is more or less a onetime distribution, i.e. the first year; after that, the turnover of money is reoccurring, like being on a biweekly payroll. IOWs, it's more or less the same dollar bills you get paid with every week (in a stable economic environment), with certain other factors in play. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 07:05, September 19, 2022 (EDT)

Leicester riot[edit]

Reuters withdrew the initial attempt by the Zelensky regime to create another false narrative about alleged Russian massacres. [3]

How is it being ignored? It is the second story on all UK new channels only beaten by The UK's biggest event in 7 decades. The rioting is relativity minor, no one has been killed or seriously hurt, not the sort of thing that would make international news.--Chewy Suarez (talk) 16:09, September 19, 2022 (EDT)

It is being ignored in the US - the violent klanish and tribal rivalries some immigrant groups bring with them to their new host country. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:29, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
Diversity was supposed to be our strength, but it's also pretty obvious these minority immigrant groups are showing little respect for a nation in mourning their head of state. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:37, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
(Read what it says above MPR, News the MSM isn't reporting). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:41, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
School shootings with fewer than three victims are ignored by the US national news, why would they report on a minor riot in another nation which has it roots in, guess what, a cricket match. As for new country, the vast majority of the rioters were born in The UK as were their parents and at least half of their grandparents. I tell you what you are ignoring, very conveniently, Ukraine civilians being found with their hands tied behind their backs and shot dead in liberated areas, an area the the size of massachusetts being liberated from the Russian invaders and the fact that Russia are losing. Massive double standard I think.--Chewy Suarez (talk) 19:15, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
Oh, so the immigrants born in the UK have not assimilated into the host culture. The cricket match is interesting, what the MSM isn't telling you. True, school shootings are taking a backseat to a wider discussion on leftist corruption of culture. The rest of your off-point posting belongs to a discussion on the Ukrainian propaganda war page, or Psyops. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:22, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
But the MSM is reporting it, just The UK MSM. It is of no interest whatsoever to anyone outside of The UK accept a few Putin loving Bigots who want to make the smallest of molehills into Mount Everest.--Chewy Suarez (talk) 19:26, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
<Digression>The Ukrainians abandonment of their dead on the battlefield, vs the Russian (and even Red Army) removal and burial of their dead leads to an interesting, and lengthy discussion of the Orthodox faith. They believe in the physical resurrection of the body, and unless a grave is clearly marked, they may be missed on Resurrection Day. So the Russians have indeed, in fact, been burying the corpses with honors of the Ukrainian cannon fodder that Zelensky and the godless NATO leaders have tossed into the fight. So yah, a "mass grave", with individual graves marked with names, dates of death, and crosses that was filmed at the time is a "massacre". Yes, they were "massacred" by their own political leadership. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:32, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
Oh that's it, thanks for correcting me. Here was I thinking the Russian scum were committing mass murder. Tell me, who was the person who suggested that every single Ukrainian was a Nazi thus making the genocide of them acceptable? Rhetorical question, it was you so why deny that it is happening. Remind me, who's the Nazi?--Chewy Suarez (talk) 19:40, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
I'm not sure what your question is. Do you deny the Nazis dominate the Ministry of the Interior, the SBU, and Zelensky's personal bodyguard? or that Zelensky hails nazis as heroes? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:50, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
How can I deny it. All Ukrainians are Nazis according to you so they must be. In the real world the Nazis put a Z symbol on their tanks.--Chewy Suarez (talk) 19:58, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
Pardon me, but I'm old school. I understand what a real Nazi is. I also understand what a real Antifascist is. And Vladimir Putin shares no relationship with the Antifa fascists who burnt down American cities two years ago. Ukrainian Nazis who bare Nazi insignia, slogans, and ideology, I accept at face value. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:02, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
And that's somewhat peculiar, don't you think? that Antifa is not out there marching in the streets in Germany, London, or the U.S. right now against Putin and Russia. Or even Ukraine and Zelensky, now that the real issue has come to a head on the world stage.. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:11, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
Do you dent these people are Nazis[22]or these people who if I remember rightly you supported against the Michigan governor.[23]--Chewy Suarez (talk) 20:35, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
Are you trying to be funny, or are you just looking for a temporary block? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:41, September 19, 2022 (EDT)
C'mon man. Entertain me some more with what you obviously think serves the betterment of humanity. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:56, September 19, 2022 (EDT

Propaganda update[edit]

  • What's interesting about this 2019 recruiting video is, at the very end you see the Ukrainian Iron Cross flag. IOWs, Russia then and still is recruiting Ukrainians, using Ukrainian symbols and emblems, for their Special Forces. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:31, September 20, 2022 (EDT)
If Rap is part of Western civilization's contribution to humanity, in this music genre elements of Rap will be preserved in Russian civilization after the West commits nuclear suicide in coming days and goes into the dustbin of history. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:55, September 25, 2022 (EDT)

An example of Russian censorship vs CNN[edit]

According to CNN, the South Korean president called the U.S. Congress, "f****** "; [24] according to Russian media he called them "morons". [25]

So what do we conclude? Is Russian media shilling for Democrats in Congress? Is Russian media whitewashing the uncouth and uncivil words of a U.S. ally? or are they just being careful toward the sensibilities of Russian readers, and covering up the truth about the moral standards of the collective West? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:00, September 26, 2022 (EDT)

Gay Brit gluttons[edit]

The (redundant in some measure) gay British gluttons entry on MPR takes up over 1,300 bytes on MPR on one of the busiest news days of the week, [26] less than 50 days before Midterms. How many votes will an Essay/Oped on gay British gluttons garner the conservative movement on a day that the entire planet is concerned about nuclear escalation in Ukraine?

The Essay/Oped takes up entirely too many column inches in a space reserved for Headlines, and should either be trimmed or moved to Editorial space on MPL, or both. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:58, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

The war on Ukraine may to last a long time. And while Ukraine is a corrupt and authoritarian regime, Conservapedia is engaging in a lot of Putin and Russia cheerleading, despite the fact that Russia is also a corrupt and authoritarian country.
Recently, I watched these excellent videos (I agree with some of the content, but not all of it.
Also, this was an excellent video: Why Does Joseph Stalin Matter? Why Does Joseph Stalin Matter? by Stephen Kotkin
The Russians have a long history of being authoritarian. Conservative (talk) 15:15, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
okay, I'll follow up.
Now, we have the case of an 18 year old teenage Republican murdered by an extremist who listened to Biden's speech. We have a duty and responsibility to highlight and warn out readers about stuff like this.
As to "cheerleading", I'm not certain how balanced reporting is "cheerleading", but maybe it's a point we can debate as time allows. Thanx. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:20, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
As an aside, preliminarily, the titles of your sites appear more as Russophobic smears than as "Putin cheerleading". So you need to clarify your issue. Somehow you have 145 million people in the Russian nation, culture, and history confused with one man. And don't give me this, "Stalin was Russian. So is Putin," crap either. Or, "the Russian people don't understand or appreciate democracy." Or even "Russia is not democratic," cause I'll tear most of your "expert sources" limb from limb. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:27, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Steve Turley's, Putin's annexation has just destroyed the Liberal World Order (posted on MPR) doesn't tell half the story, or even 10%, or 5%. meanwhile everyone else says Putin is a madman who wants nuclear war. You need to decide which side you're on, with Dr. Turley or the globalist NWO. Cause if the globalists are right, your gonna wind up being fried along with all gay UK gluttons. So who cares? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 15:34, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

Russia is not a backward country technologically. But it is more technologically backward than the West. That is one of the reasons it is having a hard time in its war in Ukraine.

The West has more liberty than Russia. But unfortunately, it is also libertine at the present time among much of its population. I trace the West's greater liberty to the fact that Christianity started earlier in Europe than it did in Russia and that Europe has a greater cultural heritage of Protestantism. See: Protestant cultural legacies and Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism

Western Civilization has a lot of good things about its culture and history. In some ways, but not always, I agree with this Stephen Kotkin video in relation to the present-day USA: Why the West is more powerful than Russia and China. But I do believe that the USA will go through a Great Depression 2.0 worse than the original Great Depression within 10-20 years due to its large sovereign debt. Power is relative. The West is weaker than it was in the 1950s-1960s, but compared to China/Russia it is stronger than those countries. And I do expect Europe to go through decline in the 21st century, but secularization will peak in Europe before 2050 followed by a period of desecularization. Conservative (talk) 15:48, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

I largely agree with this video: Stephen Kotkin on Vladimir Putin's Rise.
Kotkin thinks that the Ukrainians and the West caused a lot of damage in Crimea even before Putin/Russia invaded it. He also thinks the West should make a deal with Russia as soon as possible, but there is currently no appetite to do so. Conservative (talk) 15:59, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
I plan on listening to these videos featuring Kotkin: 5 More Questions For Stephen Kotkin: Ukraine Edition and What is Eurasia? - Stephen Kotkin and Russia and the West: A Historical Perspective.
My views on Russia are a combination of the views of John Mearsheimer, Steven Turley, Stephen Potkin, Vladimir Pozner and some of the sources I gave you at: Russia.
I first became interested in Stephen Kotkin's material after listening to his views on Joseph Stalin. Conservative (talk) 16:12, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
<Full disclosure> I know Vladimir Pozner well (not personally). I created both entries on his father, Vladimir Pozner, in Wikipedia and Conservapedia; further, I listened to Vladimir Pozner, Jr. daily on Radio Moscow, via shortwave radio, for many years. I recall vividly an all day broadcast, hosted by Vladimir Pozner on June 22, 1981, the 40th anniversary of Operation Barbarossa. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:00, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
I will never forget that broadcast. All day, for 24 hours, the original 1941 Sacred War (song) played in the background. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:13, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
I used to think that the world was becoming more multipolar until I learned more about all the economic/social problems in China and until I saw Putin make the mistake of invading Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 16:16, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
The issue comes down to an age-old debate about "Oriental despotism", which goes as far back as Thucydides and the Peloponnesian war. With the death of the Queen, we've seen elements of that debate resurface regarding "Western colonialism" (vs. "Oriental despotism"). Westerners are alleged to brought "liberal democracy" through colonialism to previous "despotic" and "uncivilized" territories.
Anyway, being the Everything has changed overnight, I can't really focus on this discussion right now; I have to check a plethora of other sources for updates. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:19, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Due to Europe moving to the right and left losing power in the USA, I think this essay is correct: Western, liberal dominance over the world is over
On the other hand, I also think this is true: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future (with the caveat that the USA will go through Great Depression 2.0 which will be worse than the original Great Depression). Conservative (talk) 16:21, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
With the globalism vs. populism divide becoming increasingly geopolitical in nature and with populism continuing to gain ground, I believe we are indeed headed for a multipolar world, but instead of it being America-China-Russia, it will be America-Germany-Japan-Russia. China will be the big loser; it will succeed in taking Taiwan but simultaneously lose control of its autonomous provinces in the north and west; it will also encounter growing civil unrest and perhaps eventually civil war due to these geopolitical shocks.
As for ideology, Europe will shift towards left-wing nationalism and perhaps even National Bolshevism. The Middle East will shift towards Islamism and perhaps even Iran-style theocracy. And East Asia will shift towards ultranationalism and perhaps even Fascism.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:55, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Europe, and Germany in particular, is shifting to bug eating and bathing only seasonally in rivers during the warm weather months. If you own a German Mercedes or BMW, hang onto it. It will be a rare collector's item someday as those companies are pretty well out of business. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:23, September 21, 2022 (EDT)


Two questions: (a) Will NATO survive? (b) Should NATO survive? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:22, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
NATO, not Vladimir Putin, is pushing the planet to the brink of nuclear war right now. The Ukraine war is the Cuban Missile Crisis in slow motion, as somebody said. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:24, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

The EU could break up and Italy may be the first to leave. Putin's gas embargo will put more pressure on Brussels and Europe will shift further to the right. Europe will go through a period of decline.

As far as "By declaring referenda in four Ukrainian regions and vowing to defend new Russian territory with all means necessary, Vladimir Putin has created a whole new war."[27], politicians say a lot of things and have a lot of big talk. I realize that Putin is no Hitler, but I will say that Hitler's projected thousand-year Reich, lasted about a dozen years. Biden said he was going to "shut down the virus". America's war on poverty and war on drugs have been miserable failures. Conservative (talk) 16:31, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

P.S. George W. Bush tried to create liberal democracies throughout the Middle East which was a total failure. Conservative (talk) 16:34, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
(ec) Since the Cuban Missile Crisis, all kinds of safeguards have been put in place. For example, when Trump bombed Syria, the Pentagon gave Russia a two minute heads up before 60 members of the Wagner Group were killed. Now, given the evidence of U.S. active duty or reservists on board working with Ukrainians to operate HIMARs, which have killed probably about 4 dozen civilians in Donetsk city this month (including children), if after next week Donetsk city is part of the Russian Federation (per "the people's will"), do you think Russia will give the United States a two minute heads up before it uses a thermobaric or tactical nuke on Ramstein Airforce Base where HIMARs and their ammunition are coming from?
If so, or if not, what are the ramifications? Does the EU and US have enough ground troops, equipment, and ammunition to continue a ground war? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:35, September 21, 2022 (EDT
At this point in my life, I try not to put much stock in politicians' promises and big talk (And that includes Putin). So far in my life, the American politician who kept most of his promises was Donald Trump, but even he did not finish building his wall which was his biggest and most central promise. Nor did he keep his promise to cut the deficit (Even before Covid-19 hit). Conservative (talk) 16:39, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
I agree with John Mearsheimer and Stephen Kotkin. There is no appetite for peace talks right now. And the war will drag on. I think the West is economically/militarily stronger than Russia after all is said and done. But Putin is in a position to cause a lot of economic problems to the West in the short term and he will cause Europe to shift politically to the right due to right-wing populism. And Ukraine will suffer a lot more pain, but so will Russia. Ultimately, Russia/Ukraine/West will become war-weary and a peace deal will be struck. But I believe the enmity is so strong that Ukraine/Russia will be unfriendly neighbors and the conflict could go through a series of hot/cold/hot/cold conflicts. Alternatively, there could be skirmishes such as China/India and India/Pakistan. Conservative (talk) 16:48, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
(ec) If you have a piece of paper handy, hold it sideways and look at it, cause that's how close we are to nuclear war right now. Add it doesn't matter how much faith you have in politicians from either side. You'll be fried along with the all fat gay Brits.
At what temperature does concrete melt? cause that's what former Russian president Dmitri Medvedev promised if NATO (and its artificial intelligence) continue on the path we've been on the past 7 months to 8 years, or as far back as the 2008 NATO Bucharest Summit.
Nuclear war is on autopilot, so what politicians say and do don't matter, unless somebody wants to begin speaking with Vladimar Putin a little more respectfully and accept his concerns as valid. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:51, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Now you'll have to pardon me, one of my prime native Russian speaking sources has an update, and I'm still waiting for another from last night. This may take an hour. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 16:54, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Incidentally, Thegatewaypundit actually has this brief misreporting in its Intro: [28]
Now we are getting some insight into Russia’s activities over the last three weeks. It now appears that the withdrawal/retreat from Kharkov was part of a broader plan that is going to culminate in the referenda by the oblasts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson starting this Friday.
That's not exactly what happened, but the rest of the article is very good, and the three sources he links to are excellent.
What happened was, the Referendums were scheduled for Sept. 11, and the Sept 4 Kyiv offensive was designed to disrupt the referendums. Initially, there was a debate whether the referendums would ever be held at all, given Russian assurances to local residents that they would not be abandoned. But when Ukraine began mass arrests ("filtration") of "collaborators", people in the Russian held territories (and even outside) began to panic. So no, the referendums were not slopped together in three weeks. Yes, initially they were delayed to Nov. 4, but now they have been sped up.
Russia's main cause for concern is, despite Western denials, there are reports of ATACEMs, a missile that can be launched from a HIMAR with a 600 km range is why Russia moved up the once-delayed public referendums, and called up 300,000 reserves. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:23, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

Putin is likely bluffing as far as nukes, but it is possible. The problem with using nukes is the political fallout for Russia and the possibility of mutually assured destruction (MAD) since the West also has nukes. Furthermore, I recently hear a general say that tactical nuclear weapons are not decisive in battles. In addition, the wind blows from West to East in Ukraine so Russia may have to deal with nuclear fallout to some degree. Lastly, if Russian propaganda is saying the war is going well for Russia, Putin will have a hard time of explaining why he desperately pushed the nuclear button. Conservative (talk) 17:28, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

This is why it's important to understand Russian war doctrine.
Furthest Nazi expansion. [4] Ukraine became a NATO protectorate in 2014; Finland was added in 2022. This is exactly how the Russians look at the map today. They see little difference between NATO (with nuclear weapons) and the Third Reich. And like the Third Reich, the Collective West spreads a debauched and supremacist ideology.
Wars are fought with a series of actions, retaliatory strikes, and so on (for example, Russia hit a Blackwater barracks two days ago, killing many; NATO responded in less than a day with a strike on the Wagner Group barracks, killing many. Tit-for-tat exchange.) Now, it's not like both sides do not know where each other's prime troop targets are right now, but if you strike, you risk retaliation (Russia may have been willing to sacrifice the retaliatory strike on their own men just to gain headlines and a morale booster. Kyiv has been doing that since day one).
Anyways, NATO has gone through a series of escalations, first Javelins, then Switchblades, then M777 Howitzers, then HIMARS, now ATACMS. And they probably have a series of other levels to escalate conventional warfare below nuclear. Russia does not. Russia is in an "existential" fight for survival, and there's a big gap between how far it will escalate conventionally, with the next step nuclear, compared to the West. Western idiots on TV don't tell you this. But Russia (a) will not surrender its nukes, (b) has about four times as many nukes as the U.S. for a reason, (c) will never return to the Unipolar world dictated to by the United States; (d) will not allow NATO to EVER station troops or nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Period. (e) Will never trust NATO or the West's word, or maybe even a written treaty, again.
NATO must be disarmed for this war to end. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:53, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Just as Hitler and Napolean were disarmed. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:54, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
The alternative is another Cold War, with Europe becoming a Third World continent. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 17:55, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
The French know how to make food, the Italians wine, the Germans beer, and the Russians war. The problem is, you don't ever want to start a war with Russia, as millions and millions have learned over the past 1,000 years (except for the idiots in the CIA, Pentagon, and NATO). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:26, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Updates:
RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:48, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
NATO disarmed. Good luck with that one. "If wishes were fishes, we would all have a fry." And if I am not mistaken, there are a lot of people in Hell wanting ice water. Conservative (talk) 20:21, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
No wonder Russia is thinking about nuking us; even so-called "conservatives" in the West are more concerned about obese UK gays than murdered children in Donbas. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:56, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
But I'm sure you vote for Option C, a new Cold War with Europe being the new Third World. In that case, don't worry about gay buffets, cause they can't afford it and won't exist anymore. So don't worry about any European rightwing national populist movement either, cause Europeans won't have time to organize and protest, as they are too busy out gathering mushrooms, berries, and insects to eat. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:02, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Alternatively, if a national rightwing populist movement were able to organize and take power, they could have the gas, coal, and uranium energy sources turned back on - after they cave to Putin's demands to disarm NATO. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:06, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Now Putin could give the Angelo-American alliance and NATO a "face saving" way out (assuming we can avoid nuclear war) and let them keep their name and continue to exist. But I doubt Germany, France, Italy, Poland, and maybe even the Baltics and others will want to have any part of it. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:12, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
The corrupt and authoritarian Russians and Ukrainians made their beds. Not they are lying in them. I don't suspect the inept Biden administration will solve the problem. The earliest this situation will be resolved will be 2024 if a GOP president is elected. And even then, I have my doubts. I am sad to say that war weariness and a big chorus of upset Russian/Ukrainian mothers whose only sons died in the war will probably be the solution. The mothers of Russia whose only sons died in the Soviet-Afghanistan War put pressure on the Kremlin to end the Soviet-Afghanistan War. Conservative (talk) 21:27, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
The war and death only persist for one cause: NATO. So does global starvation and inflation. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:31, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

Yes, I am sure the corrupt/authoritarian Ukrainians/Russians are playing no part in this (sarcasm). Conservative (talk) 21:35, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

(ec) Without NATO, (a) there never would have been a war (you agree); (b) the current war would have ended in March 2022 with Ukraine's sovereignty intact; (c) tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and civliians would still be alive or not displaced. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:36, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Go back and re-examine the foundations of your argument - Mearsheimer, Turley, Pozner - they all say the same thing - NATO started this war. Your attacks on Putin & Russia (while not entirely unfounded), make you look like a globalist and MSM lapdog. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:40, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

NATO did not send paratroopers to the Kremlin and force Putin to launch this war by holding a gun to his head. Putin chose to launch this war. And he was foolish to do so. At the end of the day, people have free will and Putin is a person. And Russians made a series of choices that resulted in Putin being president. Conservative (talk) 23:03, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

The war began in February 2014 with the illegal, unconstitutional, undemocratic coup and overthrow of the legitimate, democratically elected government of Ukraine (see Vladimar Pozner video), masterminded by Victoria Nuland, who appointed Nazis to hold the cabinet posts of Minister of Interior and Defense, who then used Nazis to murder Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:28, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
What Putin needs to do is stage a coup to overthrow Justin Trudeau. And in 8 years when you start bellyaching about Russian soldiers training Canadians to kill other Canadians, maybe then what you post won't look like such insane MSM garbage. 23:32, September 21, 2022 (EDT)



You wrote: "The French know how to make food, the Italians wine, the Germans beer, and the Russians war. The problem is, you don't ever want to start a war with Russia, as millions and millions have learned over the past 1,000 years (except for the idiots in the CIA, Pentagon, and NATO)"
Russia's defeat at the hands of Japan in the Russo-Japanese War marked the first time in the modern era that an Asian power was able to defeat a Western nation. In addition, the Russians didn't do very well in the Soviet-Afghanistant War.
Also, 19 Wars Russia Has Lost, from Ivan the Terrible to Vladimir Putin.
Personally, I would rely on Kaspersky anti-virus or eat Russian caviar before I would rely on Russia to win a war. Conservative (talk) 23:10, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
Yes, Hitler said the same thing in the bunker. He wrote a whole chapter on the Russo-Japanese war in Mein Kampf. The more you talk, the more....never mind. 23:20, September 21, 2022 (EDT)
When Avdiviika, 30 km from Donetsk city, gets nuked with a tactical nuke without causing any environmental damage to Donetsk, I'll add this entry to Conservapedia proven right, if anybody's still around years from now after big boy NATO and Biden want to escalate any further. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 23:46, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

History.com on the Russo-Japanese War: "Although Japan had won the war decisively, victory had come at a severe cost: the country’s coffers were virtually empty."[29] Conservative (talk) 23:53, September 21, 2022 (EDT)

Are you telling me something I don't know?
Ever read Solzhenitsyn's stories about the Russo-Japanese war, in the pre-Soviet era? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:03, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
You seem to forget, I am the primary author of the Venona project series in Wikipedia and Conservapedia. I know a little bit about Russia, communism, and post-communist Russia.
Very few people have read all 2500 Venona decrypts, and have tried to make sense of them. In that sense, I belong to a rather esoteric club. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:07, September 22, 2022 (EDT)

Myrotvorets[edit]

Let me ask you a serious, moral question. And I would like a serious answer.

Right now, YOU, the taxpayer, are paying for a website, Myrotvorets with 200,000 names on it marked for liquidation, including the names of 300 children.

The website is supposedly privately owned, but used extensively by the Ukrainian Ministry of the Interior in the field in its "filtration" process, looking for alleged "Russian collaborators". The site is hosted in Brussels, Belgium, home of NATO and the EU.

I don't know, as of now, who has asked these same question of Big Tech. But since this is being done in YOUR name, with YOUR money, I am interested in hearing your comments or observations about it. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:26, September 22, 2022 (EDT)

Update: US gov't backs Ukrainian kill lists targeting journalists, kids. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:56, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
I have said repeatedly that I am not a fan of the Ukrainians in general due to their corruptness and authoritarian nature and I documented this contention (Although you can find some good things in many cultures and they built a beautiful church in Kyiv, etc.).
I have also indicated that the USA government is enormously in debt, has a crumbling infrastructure, doesn't have a border wall and has tons of people pouring across its border. I would prefer that the USA does not fund this war in Ukraine and should not have contributed to sparking the war. I think the USA should be more concerned with its border than the Ukrainian border. I really could not have made myself more clear.
But I object to your characterization of the Russians and Putin being fantastic guys wearing white hats because on the whole they aren't. Conservative (talk) 00:38, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
Well I object to your characterization of me characterizing Putin and the Russians as being fantastic guys wearing white hats. I am simply providing a balanced, contemporaneous chronicle. Obviously the 145 million subhuman untermensch who live in Russia (and millions and millions outside) have a different perspective from you, and your CIA/MSM/Big Tech talking points.
Secondly, your supposition about "Ukrainians" posted above reveals more about you, than the question I asked about the Peacemaker website. We would have to dispose of that bias first, before delving into the Ukrianian government puppet regime (but you do score points for making the distinction between the corrupt, authoritarian American government and the American people. You just need to be a little clearer and more consistent in your arguments). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:49, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
But it should also be noted, neither the Russian people nor Russian government, AFAIK, have a kill list published on the internet, whereas the American taxpayer, the American government, and the Kyiv regime run by St. Volodymyr Zelensky, do. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:54, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
This war is going to be terrible for the Russians: Peter Zeihan - Russia Calls Up More Troops.
It's going to wreck Ukraine further and hurt the Ukranians more too. It would be a tall order for the Ukrainians to defeat the Russians and throw them out of Ukraine, but they may do it. It's going to be terrible for the Europeans too due to Russia withholding Russian gas. China is crumbling financially and will try to stay as neutral as possible, but they will pull in more cheap Russian energy. The USA is going to spend a lot of money. But on the whole, the USA is probably going to pull ahead of Europeans further economically due to the economic effects of this war on Europe. The USA is far more able to be energy independent than Europe - especially after the Biden administration is out of office. I don't see the Democrats winning the presidency in 2024. Conservative (talk) 00:58, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
NATO did all of this, as John Mearsheimer said, beginning at the 2008 Bucharest NATO Summit. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:12, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
Peter Zeihan is a Nazi fascist. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:16, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
It is the USA that has destroyed the German economy. Numerous citations to that before February 24. That is one of the USA's primary objectives, as crazy as that sounds. Off hand, I can pull the citation to that reasoning and objective in the Nord Stream II article, predating the war (Wilson I think is the guys name) by a few weeks.
The US has deliberately destroyed the German economy, which the Germans only now are waking up to (hold on, let me find a recent Bild article from a week or two ago). ehhh, the article had a German title, so it doesn't come up in an English search, but I know I used it somewhere in CP....
Welcome to world of geopolitics, you have to lay all emotion, judgements, pre-conceived notions, and prejudices aside. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:22, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
Update: The US Government is Destroying Europe’s Industry via the NATO War in Ukraine and Bringing it to America. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:45, September 23, 2022 (EDT)

Peter Zeihan has spent most of his life in Iowa, Kentucky and Texas. All well-known places for Nazi fascists! Conservative (talk) 01:43, September 22, 2022 (EDT)


Yes, I know. I'm from the "German Athens of America" where the Nazi Hindenburg Camp was located in the 1930s (50,000 people attended a Nazi rally there in 1938) and one of three Goethe Houses in America. I know all the German hotspots in North America. The German film, Paris, Texas opens on the Texas border with guy with heavy German accent because of all the German immigrants there.
But let's dispense with this bigotry; you don't have to be German to be a Nazi. All you have to do is listen to Zeihan. And what makes you a Nazi? trash talking the Russians the way Hitler trash talked Jews and Russians. (Did you know, for example, the Ukrainian leadership never capitalizes "R" in "Russia"? Pretty petty stuff, but such is the mind of bigots and Nazis).

As to Germany: The Crisis in Ukraine Is Not About Ukraine. It's About Germany, MIKE WHITNEY • FEBRUARY 1, 2022 (2 weeks before SMO.) I have at least 5 other qualified cites with similar arguments. Whitney has also done a follow up article. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:53, September 22, 2022 (EDT)

I don't want to see the Russians rewarded for their aggression. I just think the Europeans should be funding the war since it is in their backyard. If the Ukrainians are using HIMARs supplied by the USA, the Europeans should be paying for it. For years the Europeans were underfunding NATO, now is their time to make up for it. I do realize that the Europeans are under financial pressure, but a lend-lease like program could be set up.
At the same time, the expansion of NATO was a mistake and was baiting the Russian bear. But the Russians are smart enough that they should not have taken the bait. I also realize that the Ukrainians should have treated the ethnic Russians better in their country.
Cleft countries are powderkegs and Ukraine is a cleft country. The West shouldn't have been throwing matches at this powderkeg. Conservative (talk) 02:02, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
This guy, a Romanian in the US, explains what Ukraine is very well [30] It's sort of a follow up video to this one (which I thought was better). He puts out maybe a dozen videos a day, usually under 10 minutes. You should follow him, and if a headline comes up that looks interesting, watch it. He reads and comments on daily articles as they appear from Ukrainian, Russian, and other sources. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:18, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
The second link above is definitely very good; he uses the term "national conscience". Bingo. There is no "national conscience among "Ukrainians". There is an ethnic group called "Ukrainians", but there is no countrywide "national conscience". There are Russians, Gypsie's, etc, born in Ukraine, citizens of Ukraine who even call themselves "Ukrainian", don't speak a lick of Ukrainian, and even at one time were proud of their homeland and loved Ukraine. But there is no national consciousness or conscience. There is a minority group among ethnic Ukrainians who call themselves "nationalists", but that term, "Ukrainian nationalist" is grossly abused in Western media. Even in Russian media you see the term, "nationalist", but sometimes it's a polite way of saying "fascist". So essentially, it's an empty phrase that generally refers to a minority of ethnic Ukrainians who are Russophobic bigots. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 03:40, September 22, 2022 (EDT)


I have been around nazis my whole life. I've had Nazis in my own family. My uncle (by marriage) was born in 1933, and named "Adolf", after the savior of Germany. He never felt ashamed of it.
I am half Slav and half German; I don't know if you ever heard of World War II, but it was a race war between Slavs and Germans; so I'm a half-breed, or Mishling in German.
So trust me, I know what a Nazi is. And you don't have to be German to be a Nazi. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:05, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
NATO is really not a "fund" or anything. All it is is an agreement by a country to allow the U.S.to use their territory in exchange for equipment and training. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:09, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
Zelensky says he wants reparations from Russia as a condition of peace. Good luck getting reparations from Russia which is a nuclear power that supplies cheap energy to India and China. Russia, China and India all sit on the UN Security Council and likely have influence on the International Court of Justice which is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations. Conservative (talk) 02:14, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
(ec) Good luck to Zelensky, if he survives another year. The Russians just took the gloves off (it's been headlined everywhere). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:23, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
I was imprecise. NATO members agreed to spend 2% of their GNP on defense and for years many European members of NATO did not do that. Trump called them on the carpet for doing so and some European countries spent more on their defense as a result. Conservative (talk) 02:19, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
(ec) Yah, 2% pays the salaries of Brussels bureaucrats and paper pushers; YOU pay the cost of weapons donated to the Afghan National Army, Ukraine, etc. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:23, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
The USA should want allies and not protectorates. Given its national debt level, it can't afford to the policeman of the world anymore. Conservative (talk) 02:20, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
Sounds good on paper or a jr. high school civics class, but doesn't exist so much in the real world. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:25, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
Let's say you're Estonia, with an Amry of 5,000. And somebody comes to you and says, "Hey, how would you like a free F-15 fighter jet? Retail vslue $35 million! Yours! Absolutely FREE!" RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:27, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
Then you say, "But we don't have an Airforce." So they say, "Don't worry! We'll train the pilots! And build an airstrip! Absolutely FREE!" RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:27, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
And we'll even provide the maintenace technicians and crews! Absolutely FREE! And we'll even train 2 or 3 of your guys for these high paying jobs! Abslolutley FREE!" RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:58, September 22, 2022 (EDT)

I was listening to a few minutes of Biden responds to Putin threats during UN speech. Biden was actually speaking quite well and I was kind of surprised. But shortly after I had the thought of how well he was speaking, he had difficulty saying the word "proliferation". If we didn't have such a weak president, Putin might not have attacked Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 02:30, September 22, 2022 (EDT)

You listen to Biden? Wow. No wonder you're so confused. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:35, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
Do you think Biden had any input, at all, whatsoever, in the words put into the script? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:39, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
YouTube goes from video to video automatically as the default setting. I didn't actively choose to listen to Biden. As far as Biden, If you have a lifelong stuttering problem, you should do your country a favor and not run to be president. Speaking from the bully pulpit is a key role of being president of the USA and being the unofficial leader of the free world. And I realize that Biden has speech writers. Conservative (talk) 02:41, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
That's what happens when you follow MSM. Biden gets spoon fed to you on autofeed. Generally, if CNN, NBC, PBS, etc comes up on my autofeed, I report it as hate speech. That's how they got rid of Alex Jones. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:58, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
Did you see that idiot prime minister from Latvia or wherever a month or two ago? She was all "Rah Rah, Yah Team NATO! Rah Rah Ukraine! Boo Russia!" Then she read the fine print on the deal with NATO; it said Plan A was to let Russia occupy Latvia for 180 days (as if NATO can predict the course of a war 180 days out). Then she said, "Oh crap, what do I tell the voters now? Maybe it's not such a good idea pissing Russia off with aid to Ukraine (killing Russians), since Russia hasn't bothered us since 1991." RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 02:49, September 22, 2022 (EDT)

I did not follow Latvia related news lately.

Given human nature, men's love of power, Russia's history of aggression, and Russia's weakness post the fall of the Soviet Union, it was almost inevitable that NATO was going to expand. But NATO/USA trying to expand NATO into Ukraine and Georgia was a bridge too far. That is throwing matches too close to the political powderkeg. Oh well, Europe is going to receive some economic claw marks from the Russian bear. And so will the US taxpayer. Conservative (talk) 02:58, September 22, 2022 (EDT)

ISIS murder 2 Russian embassy staff in Kabul[edit]

Email dating from the time ISIS-K was formed. Jake Sullivan[5] to Hillary Clinton: Al Qaeda is on our side.

According to this article, they were murdered by ISIS-K. Who is ISIS-K? According to Conservapedia, ISIS-K is the CIA.

So, for all you Russophobes out there who, in place of nuclear war and WWIII are hoping for Cold War II, this is what you can expect for the next 30, 40 or 50 years. And Russia's way of dealing with terrorism, or U.S.-sponsored terrorism, is bit different from America, which lost its War on Terror to goat herders after 20 years. They will go to the source. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:33, September 22, 2022 (EDT)

Given the Russians recent lackluster military performance in Ukraine and the previous 19 wars they lost, there isn't a lot of Russophobes at the present time. Conservative (talk) 12:40, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
It's that lackluster performance why you should fear Satan. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:49, September 22, 2022 (EDT)
Let's assume Putin is a corrupt, evil madman; why wouldn't he use Satan?
Here Jake Sullivan, Antony Blinken, and all the MSM talking heads and scholars make no sense; suddenly Putin is rational and reasonable and wouldn't use nukes. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 13:12, September 22, 2022 (EDT)

What a coincidence. The attack occurred on Sept 5, a day after the NATO led, planned and devised attack on the Kharkov region, the attack on Armenia, and the attack on Kyrgyzstan - all in line with 2019 Rand Corp/CIA report on how to destroy the Russian Federation.

I wonder if the fools in the Kremlin ever read the Rand Corp. report? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 12:44, September 22, 2022 (EDT)

Putin is not a good leader and Russia is not a good place to live: Lots of Russians have left Russia since 2019[edit]

Russians who left Russia prior to partial mobilization recently announced:

From the article How many people left Russia because of the war?: "In total, 3.9 million people left Russia in the first quarter of 2022, 8.4 million in 2019, and 7.6 million in 2020. Only in 2021, at the height of covid, there were fewer — 2.7 million. But this is logical." - European Times, May 2022

So prior to May 2022, about 22 million people are reported to have left Russia since the beginning of 2019. In 2020, Russia's population was 144.1 million.

22 million is about 15% of Russia's population in 2020. Generally speaking, wealthy/educated people can leave bad places to live easier. Russia is experiencing a brain drain.[31] Conservative (talk) 16:20, September 23, 2022 (EDT)

Jacob Dreizin, who is a fluent Russian language expert currently employed in the federal government, has this review of the Moscow Times article: [32]

“Foreign Influence Operations 101” – Or, Another Day At A Fake News Factory

The Russian announcement of a call-up of trained reservists (former contract soldiers and some former conscripts) has been followed by a torrent of fake news about these guys paying thousands of dollars to fly one-way to Istanbul or Dubai etc., to sit out the war.

Probably the most “effective” examples of this fake news wave have come from the English-language Moscow Times, a Dutch-owned, largely Holland-based website that has been run—evidently for propaganda purposes—at a near-100 percent “operating loss” for years.

That is, no ads on the desktop version… only minimal ads (e.g. low-rent junk plugs for Asian comics) on mobile… no subscriptions… and no paid premium access.

I don’t know “for sure”, but typically in these cases (and there are a bunch), U.S. or European government or “foundation” funding is in play.

With a slick website, reportedly at least 10 full-time staff and/or contractors, and a name that implies a respectable, good-sized, major city newspaper (despite running almost no news at all about Moscow itself)…..

…..The Moscow Times gets picked up by the likes of Yahoo News, and aggregators such as Citizens Free Press and probably (though no one goes there anymore) The Drudge Report.

They only ever write what Russia-hating audiences want to hear—running almost nothing of interest to any Russian—and my impression is they make a lot of sh*t up. (Almost none of their “terrified” witnesses/subjects ever have a last name or even a last initial, LOL.)

Fact is, even if he doesn’t like the war, almost no Russian “who recently completed military service”, or his family, can afford to pay a panic price (allegedly) of thousands of dollars for a one-way ticket out of Russia…..

…..and then pay to live in a hotel or AirBnB in Turkey or Dubai with ZERO income, indefinitely.

This is fantasy. Russian military-type families are not that rich, sorry. Only the top 5 percent or so of Russians can afford to do that… and you can imagine they have nothing to do with the army, LOL.

Even American army reservists—you know, central Pennsylvania bumpkins or Spanish Harlem types—can’t afford that lifestyle.

Not to mention, most of these guys are married, and many if not most have at least one child already.

Anyone trying to sell you on this alleged “escape wave” as a mass phenomenon or as representative of a broad population of trained reservists, is a BULLSH***ER, and you should consider where their paycheck might be coming from.

What’s likely happening (assuming the stories of sold-out flights to Istanbul, Dubai, Armenia, etc. are true), is that, just as in February-March…..

…..some panicked, “liberal” computer programmers and graphic designers etc. are looking to telework from another country while they figure out if Vlad the Impaler has really gone medieval this time.

Many of them came back to Russia after the last time, and probably will this time as well. It could be some of the same people as last time. We already saw this movie.

BTW, an obvious “giveaway” is the alleged selling out of flights to Armenia, which has become a major hub for Russian oppositionists.

Another giveaway is that the word “Thailand” has not appeared with respect to this alleged reservist exodus. Thailand is a favorite destination for Russians, there’s no shortage of flights, but it is Turkey that is the big base for Russian TELEWORKERS.

As for Turkey as a safe haven, it’s no place I’d go to with the intent of sitting out any sh*t hitting any fan, LOL. When Turkey goes down, it will look like World War Z.

The funniest thing about the Moscow Times, it’s such a poor “investment” for NATO HQ, the National Endowment for Democracy, Soros, or whoever is paying them. The content is not only ridiculous…..

…..It’s also in English, so, how many people in Russia are reading it?

All it is, is grist for echo chambers OUTSIDE of Russia. And it makes no money. What’s the point???

So much for an “influence operation.” There are many other sites (either government or “on the payroll”), such as Radio Svoboda and Meduza, which cater to Russian oppositionists in their own language.

To any normal person, they are unreadable, but at least they earn their keep.

RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:19, September 24, 2022 (EDT)

Former CIA presidential briefer Larry Johnson on CIA propaganda about mobs fleeing Russia. [33] RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 09:57, September 24, 2022 (EDT)

Comment: These are not conscripts, these are reservists - people who have agreed to be recalled. Are there some reservists who are unhappy about giving up a successful civilian career for less money in the reserves? Sure. Would it make sense for them to flee the country and give up a higher paying job for unemployment and life in exile? You decide. Bottomline: Any news source that claims people are fleeing the country in droves to escape military service is, by definition, a fake news and/or propaganda source, and a reader needs to take note about that source for future reference. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:34, September 25, 2022 (EDT)


Do you believe those figures? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:03, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
Any reports on net immigration, an offset to your obvious errant conclusion that 15% of the population left? or offsets from natural birth increase? (we'll even leave aside a discussion on extended or shortened life expectancy between 2020 and 2022). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:06, September 23,] 2022 (EDT)
But for one-upmanship, since you think this is legitimate criticism of one man- Vladimir Putin, let's look what Volodymyr Zelesnky has done for Ukraine, using the same premise and methodology since 2019: 11 million, or 28% of Ukraine's 38 million, have left. If we compare the rate of increase to Zelensky's 3 years vs. Putin's 22 years, the rate is exponentially higher. And on its face, its nearly double.
Furthermore, they probably never would have left if Zelensky had not ordered 120,000 troops (or 50% of Ukraine's standing military forces) to the border of the Donbas Republics against Donbas civilians in 2021.
You need to back away from these rather sterile arguments. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:15, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
You're whole premise is based upon all the liberal coward draft dodgers who went to Canada during the Vietnam war, or all the liberal cowards who went to Canada when Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump were elected. If you wish to defend them, or think they had some virtuous message to send to the planet, fine. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:37, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
In fact let's take the logic of your argument a step further: are you arguing the 4 million net increase in the American population from the Biden border crisis is a positive or good thing? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:22, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
C'mon, gimme an answer. Proportionately, a 4 million net increase to the US, whose population is 2 1/2 bigger than the RF, would be like adding 10 million to the Russian population. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:26, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
RobS, I have seen the YouTube videos of traffic jams of people leaving Russia after Putin's partial mobilization announcement. And the prices of air flights out of Russia have skyrocketed. Also, Flights out of Russia sell out after Putin orders partial call-up. The Daily Mail leans right politically. Here is a Daily Mail video: Putin abandoned: Men scramble to flee Russia following conscription.
People vote with their feet RobS. And there are a lot of "foot votes" against Putin. Conservative (talk) 19:09, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
P.S. RobS, it is perfectly possible for Zelensky and Putin to both stink as leaders. They aren't mutually exclusive possibilities/realties. So your whataboutism is overruled. Conservative (talk) 19:15, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
Why do you always leave out Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Macron, et al, who created this crisis? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:20, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
(ec) yah yah yah I know all about it. You had no comment about the lines of traffic fleeing Kharkov to Russia 3 weeks ago with the Ukrainian advance.
I have one source (available upon request) of Russia allowing the peaceniks to leave because Russian leadership figures they have money, and takes people with money to organize opposition. So they are letting them leave for now, because it is not affecting the partial mobilization.
You need to expand your sources of information on the current crisis beyond your pre-planned, pre-programmed Russophobic MSM talking points. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:20, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
And why did people flee Kharkov after the NATO/Ukrainian advance? to escape the draft? No. Because they feared the Ukrainian gestapo based upon factual prior reporting, as well as what they experienced with their own two eyes. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco They did not want to become victims of another Bucha massacre by the Ukrainian gestapo. Now, you can argue, "That's Russian propaganda"; if it is, they believe Russian propaganda over Western propaganda for good reason; Russia's record of lying in this conflict is nowhere close to Ukrainian and Western propaganda. But it is more likely they know the truth of the matter from family, friends, and firsthand experience. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:40, September 23, 2022 (EDT) Alternatively, you can take the supremacist view that Western news media is "superior" to Russian, and what Russian speaking people in Ukraine or Russia think and believe doesn't matter, cause you know the truth. My advice: Just shut up. The more you talk, the deeper a hole you dig for yourself. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:45, September 23, 2022 (EDT)


IMO, despite your efforts to hide factual reporting from the public on MPR, you do not seem to realize this crisis is in like Stage 3 cancer already. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:23, September 23, 2022 (EDT)

RobS, it is perfectly possible for Putin, Zelensky, Joe Biden, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Macron to all stink as government officials. Your whataboutism is still a big fail and extremely unconvincing. Putin stinks and all the current plane flights and traffic jams leaving Russia are testimonies to this. Conservative (talk) 19:25, September 23, 2022 (EDT)

See my comment below about naive Americans. Let me add BoJo and Liz Truss to that list. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:28, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
The election of Donald Trump in 2016 did not wipe out the egregious crimes committed by the Obama/Biden regime in the 2014 Maidan coup; and NATO aid today only serves to perpetuate those crimes and more. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:30, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
I have seen Greece have a financial meltdown. I have seen the corruption and authoritarianism of Ukraine and Russia. I don't think I am going to join an Eastern Orthodox Church anytime soon. I do like Steve Turley though and he is Eastern Orthodox. And I have good relations with another Eastern Orthodox believer who is the owner of OrthodoxWiki. Conservative (talk) 19:44, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
Your arguments make no sense: you defend a gay Muslim - Obama, to attack a Christian - Putin. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:01, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
Ok, let's return to discussing "people" leaving Russia. Note: "people", not "Russian citizens", although no doubt many left. Now, your whole argument is in defense of EU sanctions among "people" (Russians and foreigners) who lost their job due to sanctions and foreign companies being forced to leave.
Do you defend EU sanctions? Suicidal sanctions?
So again, you blame Putin, and not EU stupidity and shortsightedness.
Your only defense is to return to a discussion of the Crimean Annexation to blame Putin. Go ahead, if you feel like being redundant, again, as well as defending Obama/Victoria Nuland/Biden nazi Crimes Against Peace (i.e. established International Treaties). RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:53, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
If you are going to praise a country outside the USA, why not a more worthy country than Russia? Like Switzerland for example. It just seems so foolish to boost Putin and Russia. Conservative (talk) 20:50, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
If you're going to criticize a country, why not the United States where a tourist can't ride the subway without getting raped. How often you think that happens in Russia? or you get assaulted by an FBI SWAT team? or have rigged elections and controlled media? When was the last time Switzerland invaded a sovereign county, or provided Nazis with weapons and got tens of thousands killed for nothjing other than feed the MIC? RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:22, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
How many child groomers are kindergarten teachers in Russia? I bet more in Switzerland than in Russia. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:24, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
Bottomline: In the past 24 hours, Turley and Tucker have said nothing that I have not been trying to educate our readers on the past 7 months, and you've stepped on that vital information with redundant garbage about UK potholes and Chinese atheists every time. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:39, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
Dr. Steve Turley's broadcast was cyberattacked by NATO/Ukronazi/U.S. hackers and was split in two segments (he lost 23,000 of his viewers as a result; the Nazis will stop at nothing to censor truth):
RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 22:19, September 23, 2022 (EDT)
Rossiya i nami s i nami i bog. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 21:52, September 23, 2022 (EDT)


Prognostications: the forest from trees[edit]

Events are moving rapidly, and people are getting bogged down in minutiae and detail. Here's what to expect: In little more than a week, the Russian Duma will add four new territories to the Russian Federation. NATO (and Pentagon) command which has been conducting this war has a choice in the next 10 days or so: cease hostilities and assume a defensive posture, or risk getting a tactical nuke if any further provocations against Russian territory continue. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 20:22, September 23, 2022 (EDT)

There is absolutely nothing surprising about this scenario being played out before our eyes. Tulsi Gabbard and Tucker Carlson warned us about exactly what is happening in April 2021 when Biden and NATO were plotting this war, which was no secret then. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 04:52, September 25, 2022 (EDT)

Andrew Korybko scenarios: [34]

"the following sequence of events can more or less be taken for granted:

1. Russia will formally incorporate those four former Ukrainian regions by the end of next week;

2. Their full administrative borders, not just the LOC [line of contact], will be recognized per the Donbass precedent;

3. Moscow’s nuclear umbrella will be extended over their land and people in accordance with doctrine;

4. And the Kremlin will then accuse Kiev of partially occupying some of Russia’s territory.

From here, President Putin will have two choices:

5A. Authorize a “shock and awe” campaign for immediately removing the foreign occupiers;

Or

5B: Give the foreign occupiers an ultimatum for withdrawing by the weekend or so.

Regardless of whatever the Russian leader does, the US can only realistically do one of two things:

6A. De facto acknowledge this new geopolitical reality by ordering Kiev to withdraw;

Or

6B. Provoke Russia into using tactical nukes by ordering Kiev to launch a last-ditch massive invasion.

Everything will be clearer by early October, when a follow-up analysis and scenario forecast is planned."

RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:28, September 25, 2022 (EDT)

Long story short[edit]

As documented in the European refugee crisis, the Libyan and Syria wars led to the displacement of at least 9 million people by Barack Obama and the West; Russian intervention in Syria slowed the displacement, but led to the illegal coup in Kyiv that brought the illegitimate Maidan regime to power as a reprisal action by NATO to force Russia to focus on its own borders closer to home ; the Zelensky regime's war on Donbas civilians led to the migration of 11 million Ukrainians and 22 million liberal leftwing peaceniks from Russia. So, the whole global refugee crisis, if we want to blame one man, rests on Barack Obama. But I would add NATO to it.

Why did Putin make an incursion into Ukraine? To end NATO Crimes Against Peace (based on the Nuremberg precedent) globally. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 18:55, September 23, 2022 (EDT)

See, this is what naive Americans do not understand: the whole planet, including Russia, China, and much of Africa, Asia, etc) DO NOT dance to the same tune of the 2-year Congressional election cycle and four-year presidential election cycle of the United States. The sins, stupidity, negligence, and crimes of an opposition party in the United States are not wiped out with their defeat at the ballot box. Maybe partially on the domestic scale, but not planetary wide.) RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 19:11, September 23, 2022 (EDT)

Biden regime's secret weapon[edit]

The Biden regime's secret weapon against Russia is being used (although it is hard to believe anybody in the junta is smart enough to realize it): interest rates. The federal reserve board raised interest rates while commodity prices are rising. In a period of high inflation, people flee to commodities. High interest rates have cut the demand for commodities, i.e. the crude price is crashing, and so is Russian state revenues. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 14:30, September 26, 2022 (EDT)