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:Aye. Clearer heads would note the order to commit genocide and leave it that. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 18:54, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
:Aye. Clearer heads would note the order to commit genocide and leave it that. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 18:54, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
::The reason why the Israelites were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites was because of their sin. They performed many extreme acts, including child sacrifice (some of the Israelite kings adopted their practices when they rebelled against God). If the Canaanites repented, they would have been saved. The examples of Rahab (and her family) and Ruth are good examples of this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:58, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
::The reason why the Israelites were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites was because of their sin. They performed many extreme acts, including child sacrifice (some of the Israelite kings adopted their practices when they rebelled against God). If the Canaanites repented, they would have been saved. The examples of Rahab (and her family) and Ruth are good examples of this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:58, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
:::Forgive me if I don't see the logic in punishing those who sacrifice children by [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua+6%3A21&version=KJV killing their children for them]. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 20:04, 3 August 2017 (EDT)

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Obama judges

Despite the Supreme Court ruling, Obama-appointed judges are still trying to stop Trump's travel ban.[1] This is blatant judicial activism, and I fear that this will not be the worst of it. --1990'sguy (talk) 03:32, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

Great point.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 18:00, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
Good (and unexpected) news: the leftist "judge" in Hawaii refused to hear a lawsuit challenging Trump's criteria for traveling to the U.S.[2][3] --1990'sguy (talk) 13:23, 7 July 2017 (EDT)
However, Hawaii is still trying to block the travel ban.[4] --1990'sguy (talk) 17:15, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

Will Neil Gorsuch vote to reverse Roe vs. Wade?

"On Monday, Gorsuch indicated that he opposes equal rights for same-sex couples, dissenting from a ruling that requires states to list same-sex parents on birth certificates. (Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito joined his dissent.) That, alone, is startling: In Obergefell v. Hodges, the court held that the Constitution compels states to grant same-sex couples “the constellation” of “rights, benefits, and responsibilities” that “the states have linked to marriage,” including “birth and death certificates.” Obergefell, then, already settled this issue. Gorsuch’s dissent suggests he may not accept Obergefell as settled law and may instead seek to undermine or reverse it."[5]

Will Neil Gorsuch vote to reverse Roe vs. Wade?

Gorsuch goes to a rapidly pro-gay church with a woman "pastor".[6] So what is the good news about that church? Evidently, her liberal sermons are so boring that Gorsuch sleeps right though them! Conservative (talk)

Simple because a church welcomes and accepts gays, as most Christians churches do, doesn't mean they're pro-gay. If the church conducts gay " marriage", then the label would fit. Does Gorsuch' church perform gay weddings? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:17, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
The reversal of Roe V. Wade will not happen anytime soon. I don't even think it would happen in the next ten years. But if the court continues to put people on the right as judges, gradually you will see change. The good news is that a majority of the public now opposes abortion. That is the true catalyst.--Jpatt 22:01, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

I very much doubt that most churches are accepting of homosexuality. Most churches in the world are outside the Western World (see: Global Christianity). Even in the USA, a lot of liberal churches have closed/are fairly empty and/or been taken over by more conservative churches. And it varies by regions on the USA. Conservative (talk) 22:30, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

Second, the average age of replacing a Supreme Court judge is around 80 years old. There are 3 SCOTUS judges who are about that age.

Trump could get 1-4 judges depending on how many terms he serves. That could reverse Roe vs. Wade.

I realize that liberals have been in power for about 50 years, but their power is crumbling and the rate of crumbling appears to be accelerating. Maybe the internet is speeding up social change. Another factor could be that amount of government debt is a drag to economies and people are getting dissatisfied with their economic conditions.Conservative (talk) 22:30, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

It'll happen sooner than you'll expect. There won't be a universal ban, the Court will just kick it back to the states. That means if you live in Alabama or Texas, you have to fly to New York or Hollywood to get an abortion. This is logically the best possible outcome. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 09:11, 30 June 2017 (EDT)
There is data supporting the proposition that by the end of the century, three quarters of America may be pro-life (see: American culture war, demographics and expected tipping point after 2020).Conservative (talk) 05:22, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

No transgenders in the USA military. How can the USA possibly win any wars now?

General Mattis says there will be no transgenders in the USA military in 2017.[7] How can the USA possibly win any wars now?

Look at all the transgender military heros in the annals of war! Look at all the transgender generals in history who lead successful military campaigns! Look at all the highly effective transgender drill sergeants in the world's militaries.

Transgenders are proven fighters. You just have to look at all the successful transgender boxers there have been to see this.

How can General Mattis be so blind and stubborn?

This is a crushing blow to U.S. military readiness.

Look at THIS VIDEO. Case closed!Conservative (talk) 14:18, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

I hope you're just being sarcastic and not being serious about this, because transgenderisms aren't essential to winning a war. Pokeria1 (talk) 14:37, 1 July 2017 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure that Conservative, of all editors, is simply using sarcastic humor. He is exposing the silliness of leftist pro-transgender ideology, which seeks to push itself into areas like the military, even if it reduces the strength of the military. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:47, 1 July 2017 (EDT)
Richard the Lionhearted is said to have been gay, but there's no record of whether or if his gay lover was a tranny. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:30, 1 July 2017 (EDT)
That was my thought too, that he was mocking what the hand-wringing liberal media might say about that issue. Northwest (talk) 19:19, 1 July 2017 (EDT)
  • Hormone therapy and sex change operations are recent developments. But there's a history of female warriors dressing as men, including Mulan and Joan of Arc. The Greeks idealized warrior couple Achilles and Patroclus. Following their example, Alexander and Hadrian had same sex lovers, or at least let people think they did. At the same time, it was considered shameful for a man to take the female role. PeterKa (talk) 21:00, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

I was being sarcastic. Liberals want to make big issues/battles out of things that are not important or don't even exist. And sometimes the want societies to devote a lot of resources to them. For example: global warming hysteria; macroevolution don't even exist but they want people to somehow study it; we don't need transgenders to achieve military victories. etc. etc. There are plenty of important issues where changes can be made. Conservative (talk) 21:20, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Mueller hires Bharara's deputy

Mueller is reportedly hiring Assistant U.S. Attorney Andrew Goldstein, once Bharara's deputy: "Special counselor adds former Preet Bharara prosecutor to Russia probe: Reports." I mean, was Lois Lerner not available? See "Dinesh D’Souza: Preet Bharara a ‘Ruthless and Deceitful Guy’ (VIDEO)." Unfortunately, firing Mueller won't solve anything. The uproar would force Rosenstein to replace him with someone worse. Trump needs to fire Sessions. Sessions' recusal has effectively left the Justice Department unsupervised. There was never any way the Mueller investigation was going to have a happy ending. Mueller is a close friend of Comey's. As FBI director, he spent years pursuing Steven Hatfill on bogus anthrax accusations. A judge had to intervene to tell him to stop it. Comey and Mueller are cops straight out of Law & Order. They know the real terrorist is always a right winger. PeterKa (talk) 20:18, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Preet Bhara means they are looking at Manhattan real estate deals. This has absolutely car nothing do with election tampering or the DNC. Kushner bought his property about two months before the Crash of 2008 and paid too much for it (something like $4.8 billion) and had to re-fi immediately cause he couldn't get the rents that were anticipated. Deutsche Bank is involved too. But if there's some connection to Russian oligarchs its got to be quite a stretch. Then one needs to pay a attention to the timeline, as well. IOW, when at what time was something legal that later became illegal. Transactions and deals before the sanctions were grandfathered in - the sanctions only applied to new deals going forward. If somebody had a deal with a Russian on the blacklist prior to the law taking effect, they are not required to liwuidaste the investment. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:42, 1 July 2017 (EDT)
The Mueller investigation is already a monster. The DOJ's biggest mob investigation ever was the pizza connection case. That was five attorneys. Mueller already has 15 -- 16 if Goldstein accepts a position. DC juries are hugely partisan; No Republican can expect a fair trial. PeterKa (talk) 12:26, 2 July 2017 (EDT)

Wannacry worm

User(s):cons. Is there a reason you have posted a 2 month old story about the Wanna Cry worm to MPR? Especially as it was a Brit security expert who discovered the error in wanna cry and by registering the domain name stopped the attack before it could hit the US? And to be pedantic it didn't 'completely negate the ability of the NHS to function' About 25% or less of the NHS were forced to stop using computers for a short period of time, some operations were cancelled and people were asked not to go to Accident and Emergency without REAL reason. The NHS in general still functioned fine, I was able to get my prescriptions and go to see my GP for an appointment I didn't have to pay for. Davidspencer (talk) 09:56, 2 July 2017 (EDT)

Davidspencer, no concession that having WindowsXP on a computer is a very bad idea? At the very least, they should have have the computers using limited user accounts which stops about 90% of all malware.
"This week's attack comes just more than a month after the WannaCry Ransomware attack, which affected 200 Swiss IP addresses and more than 300,000 computers worldwide.
No major organizations in Switzerland were affected by that attack, though it brought Britain's National Health Service, Spain's national telecom provider Telefonica and US delivery service FedEx to a standstill."[8]
Switzerland, which has one of the highest living standards in the world, has one of the highest rates of creationism in Europe. In 2006 it was reported: "one in three Swiss thinks it is "definitely false" that humans developed from earlier species of animals, according to an international survey on evolution."[9] Conservative (talk)
  • people were asked not to go to Accident and Emergency without REAL reason. The NHS in general still functioned fine
Gotta love that British humour. By functioning fine with the Emergency rooms closed, means the waiting lists had to be written out by hand which then had to be entered into the computers later. I mean, what other services do they provide besides Emergency or putting you on a waiting list? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:13, 2 July 2017 (EDT)
Oh come on Rob I know you can read better than that. No A&E's were closed, some merely asked people without real emergencies not to attend. You know, like people with splinters attending saying it is an emergency. Sadly with a health care system where care is free at the point of delivery people do tend to take the rise a little. As for other services that the NHS provides. Well, I could list them but that would be boring. So let's just keep it short and say mental health care, dietary advice if required, routine blood testing (for conditions such as gout, hepatitis etc), midwifery services and birth control, dispensing of prescription medicines. I know of no GP's practices that were shut down at all. And A&E doesn't function on waiting lists, treatment required for emergencies is done there and then, only if the condition is not an emergency does anything move to a waiting list. And Cons, as for XP correct me if I am wrong but I recall reading recently that large parts of the US military and other areas of the US government still use computers running XP. Davidspencer (talk) 09:03, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
Dietary advice? US doctors don't give dietary advice, it's considered quack medicine. They only dispense pills since Big Pharma is in control of the healthcare system. Our Emergency rooms are clogged with methadone patients who can't come up with $8 for their daily dose for their opioid addiction. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:29, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
Remind me Rob what percentage of the US public is overweight and considered obese? Perhaps if they indulged in a little more 'quack' medicine all the illnesses associated with obesity like diabetes, heart disease, joint problems, arthritis etc may be reduced a little and the medicaid budget could be spent on things other than mobility scooters. Davidspencer (talk) 01:59, 4 July 2017 (EDT)
I agree 100%. Now they are seeking to ban doctors from giving nutritional information for lack of training. Australia has the same problem. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 22:02, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

Davidspencer, according to Google UK, Conservapedia ranks #5 for the term "Britain is the fat man of Europe" as can be seen here: HERE and it ranks #1 at Google UK for the term "Godless Britain is the fat man of Europe" as can be seen HERE. According to Google USA, Conservapedia ranks #8 at Google out of 2,700,000 search results for the term "Britain is the fat man of Europe as can be seen HERE and it ranks #1 at Google USA for the term "Godless Britain is the fat man of Europe" as can be seen HERE. Conservapedia's article is at: Essay: Godless Britain is the fat man of Europe.

So Britain has the reputation of being the fattest country in an entire continent.

And Britain is very intent on bringing Muslims into its country. You will notice HERE that 5 out of 10 of the fattest countries in the world are Muslim majority countries. So the situation could get much worse in Britain given their great ardor to bring Muslims into their country.

On the other hand, Mexico is currently the fattest country in the world. And thanks to Trump building a wall, the Mexicans will be kept out of America to a high degree because the portly Mexicans will find it very difficult to scale Trump's wall. And if they dig tunnels to go under the wall, they will burn off their excess weight. Conservative (talk) 03:49, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

I am going to make fewer jabs at the Brits and may not do it at all anymore. The truth is that nearly all the people I met who were born in Britain were very pleasant people. Conservative (talk) 02:59, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
Don't worry about it users:conservative. We're pretty thick skinned over here and can take quite a bit of gentle micky taking. That famous British irony and satirical sense of self-deprecation you know. After all, don't forget we produced Monty Python and the whole point of them was to mock ourselves. Sadly we also produced James Cordon but at least we managed to off-load him onto you guys. Davidspencer (talk) 09:10, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
As far as the West, the British have been in decline for some time and it has just been more noticeable because they lost their empire. But all of Western Civilization is in decline right now. In the USA, it started after a significant portion of Americans embraced Darwinism (see: Social effects of the theory of evolution) then picked up steam after WWII prosperity and then picked up further steam in the 1960s in the USA. But maybe that is too simplistic. Western civilization is a mix of Roman, Greek and Christian ideology. Greco-Roman culture is a mixed bag. And certain parts of Christendom are stronger than others.
European/Russian decline had happened earlier partly because of state/religion ties being too strong and religion getting tainted in the public's mind due to corrupt states. And America has had more religious freedom.
But I am hopeful because evangelical Christianity is growing quickly in the non-Western World, growing in Europe and the Hispanic evangelical population is growing quickly in the USA.
In addition, maybe the West will sober up after it gets hit with a financial crisis that seems inevitable due to national debts growing in countries and countries having poor immigration policies (which is partly due to having sub-replacement levels of birth among the native populations).
Furthermore, leftism appears to be in decline in the West due to many people seeing its corrosive effect on societies (And because the left has lost some of its control over the flow of information due to the internet). And in the USA, the religious are having more children which is partly why generation Z has been called the most conservative generation since WWII.
Islam in Europe is a wild card. Muslims in Europe might be expelled (It happened in Spanish history). On the other hand, I think Muslims in Europe might be one of the causal factors of Darwinism being crushed in Europe. Turkey is part of NATO, for example, and Darwinism is in the process of being crushed in that country.
But ultimately, there is going to be a time of decline in the world. Scripture indicates that men's love will grow cold in the end times and wickedness will increase. Conservative (talk) 11:02, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

Gen Z and the Republican Party

Not sure if this article is a report on an older study, but I found this off of realclearpolitics.com today (article is dated July 1st)... http://nypost.com/2017/07/01/why-the-next-generation-after-millennials-will-vote-republican/. Basically, it just states that Gen Z is socially liberal but more conservative on financial and foreign policy. Also says that Gen Z, while being more liberal on same-sex marriage, goes to church more than the Millennials or Gen X. Tried to find the actual study but I couldn't find it. AnchorDown

New Jersey declares Antifa a terrorists organization.

It wouldn't surprise me if Antifa is on a list of violent groups that the FBI monitors. If they knew they were being monitored/infiltrated, it would be that much harder to monitor them.Conservative (talk) 19:29, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

MPR -- Charlie Gard

We should mention how little coverage the MSM has given to the story about Charlie Gard.[11] --1990'sguy (talk) 17:33, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

The hippest form of child abuse

Do 11 and 12 year olds understand enough about puberty to make an informed decision on whether to take puberty blocking drugs? America is the midst of massive experiment that will find out: "I’m a Pediatrician. How Transgender Ideology Has Infiltrated My Field and Produced Large-Scale Child Abuse.." Is this our future: "Eunuchs -- India's Third Gender." PeterKa (talk) 08:30, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

France's solution to adhere to Paris deal

The French government announced it would ban the sale of gasoline and diesel-powered vehicles by 2040. This is the most extreme action I've seen by a country to adhere to the agreement. Liberals oppose fossil fuels (along with nuclear energy) regardless of the cost-benefits. This action, no doubt, is a step towards achieving the left-wing utopia (which, by the way, includes a one-world government). It would be only a matter of time before Americans begin considering doing the same thing as France. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:07, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

Would an admin add this to Template:Mainpageright? --1990'sguy (talk) 13:24, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

This is for discussion. Anyways, there is a mistake I am gonna report. The main page has been for news. CityOfSilver 13:50, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

What to do about North Korea?

At last we have proof that China pulls North Korea's strings. Chinese trade with NK was up 40 percent in the first quarter, and guess what? NK has become more aggressive and launched a game changing long range missile. Now that we know the real problem is China, a money obsessed kleptocracy, there are a lot more options. Sanction banks that do business with NK, especially Chinese banks like Bank of China. Retaliate for North Korean hacking against Chinese targets. Time to expose the Chinese leaders as the grafters they are. The Panama papers have already exposed a lot of Xi Jinping's graft. I'm sure the NSA can find more. This issue is extremely sensitive with the Chinese public. You just need the breach the Great Firewall and make sure the Chinese people find out. If we keep kicking the can down the road, it ends with an NK nuclear strike on a major U.S. city. Krauthammer has a good article on this. But he makes one mistake. In modern China, it's all about money. PeterKa (talk) 06:48, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

Aye. Putin. JohnZ (talk) 18:19, 7 July 2017 (EDT)
Sound of Music: "How do solve a problem like Maria? Many a thing you know you'd like to tell her. Many a thing she ought to understand. But how do you make her stay and listen to all you say? How do you keep a wave upon the sand? How do a catch a cloud and pin it down? How do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?"[12]
Trying to get the Chinese to do things is very difficult. If getting the Chinese to put sufficient pressure on North Korea was possible, it probably would have been done time ago. The Chinese don't want North Korea to collapse and be flooded with refugees and illegal immigrants.
Given their continued progress in terms of advancing their nuclear weapons capability, the deterrence against North Korea will likely be America's ability to unleash nuclear bombs on their nation.Conservative (talk) 20:59, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

Trump meets Putin

I read that Obama's scheduled meeting with Putin, Putin arrived 40 minutes late. Today, Putin showed up early. --Jpatt 15:25, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

The more Putin dislikes/disrespects you or the less Russian interests are involved in a meeting, the later Putin is for meetings (He kept Angela Merkel waiting 4 hours). [13]
And when Putin met with Merkel in Russia, his dog went into the room despite Merkel's known fear of dogs and his probable awareness of the issue.[14]Conservative (talk) 15:53, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

Ridiculous media bias

Now the MSM is blaming the House dress code, particularly its rules for how women dress, on Paul Ryan and Republicans, even though these rules have existed a long time. Some media sources actually blatantly stated that these rules are for some reason "sexist" and that the GOP and Ryan created those rules. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:59, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

The Daily Mail says there is much to criticize about the rule, and its uneven enforcement. A case of Congress having different rules for the public than themselves?


California is not the only state passing loads of leftist legislation. Oregon is doing the same, having enacted a law mandating free abortions for all people, including illegal immigrants, and a law allowing guns to be seized from their owners without the owner's knowledge (the latter passed both houses but is not law yet as I write). --1990'sguy (talk) 17:03, 7 July 2017 (EDT)

Remedial college courses

The main page right item says, "51% of students in 2-year colleges take remedial courses, and most of them do not graduate, which means they are wasting their time and money." This is an important issue, but the antecedent of "them" is not clear. The reference says that only 15% graduate, so I would reword it, "51% of students in 2-year colleges take remedial courses, and of those, only 15% graduate, which means the others are wasting their time and money." Thanks, JDano (talk) 01:11, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

In the news...

Man, you know it's bad if you lot haven't found a way to spin it yet. Little help: Genesis 22. God is testing Trump and the angel will be dispatched directly! #MAGA! JohnZ (talk) 17:38, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

The odds of impeachment went from 4/1 to 2/1.[15] PeterKa (talk) 06:25, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
As I was saying in another post elsewhere, the liberals in the media and in public office are so desperate now to get rid of Trump they'll throw anything at the wall to see what sticks - all the while ignoring the very real criminal activity Hillary Clinton has been engaged in for decades and the corruption of the Obama regime. All I can say to that is, that level of desperation from them tells me that Trump's doing his job and doing it well. Northwest (talk) 07:11, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
The whole situation is part of a masterful story created by the author of everything - namely God (Please see: Essay: Modern history and biblical history).
Hardcore leftist may try to deny this matter, nevertheless it is true. Conservative (talk) 16:18, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

JohnZ, please see: Essay: Donald Trump's glorious victories.

I hope this clarifies matters for you. :) Conservative (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

There were stories during the campaign about how Roger Stone would tip off reporters concerning upcoming Wikileak dumps. So the fact that there was coordination isn't a revelation. If you don't have new news, just play the old news at a higher decibel level. PeterKa (talk) 23:32, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
Coordination? What on Earth are you talking about? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 05:28, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

Why Donald Trump is a bit like Samson

"Donald Trump is a bit similar to Samson. He has an unusual hairstyle. His faults are many. He strikes terror in his opposition. He has machismo. His opponents have often been mystified about the source of his power. And just when his enemies think they have finally gained victory over him, he brings down their various temples." - quote from Essay: Donald Trump's glorious victories. Conservative (talk) 03:06, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Paraphrase from a secular leftist: "If Trump falls out of favor with Conservapedians, they will all deny that they ever supported him".
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Trump is the lesser of two evils. Hillary Clinton would have been a disaster. And more moderate Republicans are just a slower death.
Do I wish that Donald Trump was a deficit hawk. Of course, I do. I hope Trump gets a second term and he becomes a deficit hawk. Americans cannot afford a lavish guns and butter economy. But that might never happen. Trump likes popularity and cutting back the guns and butter economy would be unpopular.
In the meantime, I will enjoy the fact that Trump is toppling some leftist sacred cows. Conservative (talk) 12:51, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
Correct. Also, even if Trump does shift to being a liberal, his achievements so far still remain. --1990'sguy (talk) 12:57, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
And to be clear, what I wrote in that article series will not be deleted, even if Trump shifts positions. Once again, the secular leftists are wrong in general and about us specifically. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:44, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

England is officially gone

Just as the Muslims took over the Cathedral of St. Sophia in Istanbul, the seige of the Westminster Abbey is now on. Once Muslims find a secure place to pray, that land, those few cubic feet, become part of Islam under Islamic law. You'll have to fight if you want to take it back. Its doubtful England and Christianity will survive Queen Elizabeth. NATO will be depending on our Muslim/British allies to retake Germany from of our Muslim/German allies. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:34, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

Interesting choice of source: a four month old facebook post from the convicted felon who leads the English Defence League (which is essentially made up of soccer hooligans). You could have chosen a more reputable source - one that explained the prayers were held outside the Abbey as part of a multi-faith ceremony to condemn terrorism and commemorate the four innocent people who had been killed a few yards away. A more reputable source would also have explained that the Archbishop of Canterbury, a senior rabbi and a Catholic cardinal were present. Still, why let the facts get in the way of a good yarn, eh? Rafael (talk) 14:06, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
All the other postings say it just vacant wasted space, like Sophia's became. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:23, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
Please see: British evangelical Christianity and European desecularization in the 21st century
Also, the proportion of those who identify as Church of England worshippers has seen a slight increased from 16.3 per cent in 2009 to 17.1 per cent in 2015 (see: UK and secularism). Evangelical-like Protestantism is infiltrating the Anglican church in England.
The future of Christianity in England is probably going to be tied to evangelical/pentecostal Christianity.
Also, as Brits see the effects of Islam on France where the percentage of Muslims is higher in their population, they may put a break on Muslim immigration. Conservative (talk) 19:33, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
If you compare an interfaith prayer meeting to condemn terrorism with the Fall of Constantinople, what do you make of the iftar that was held in Southwark Cathedral this year. Or the hundreds of other interfaith sessions? Rafael (talk) 09:48, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
It is sad that so many Christian churches, in many of which solid orthodox Christian doctrine was once taught, are now either dead museums, dying, or have adopted theological liberal theology. Imagine what people would think if a church in the 1500s, 1600s, or 1700s had an interfaith service. Europe is losing its Christian heritage, which, by the way, played a central role in shaping European culture through the 19th and even the 20th century. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:39, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
This is where we must agree to differ. I much prefer the vibrant culture of Southwark Cathedral and diocese, with its interfaith meetings and services, to the religious wars of the early modern era. It's one of the things that separates us from the jihadis. Rafael (talk) 11:58, 19 July 2017 (EDT)
Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and the other Reformers never wanted war. They wanted religious reform and for the church to go back to the Bible, which does not advocate for religious war (the real battle is spiritual, not physical, and God will win regardless of what we do). The Roman Catholic Church opposed the decline of their authority, and much politics was involved in these wars. The Hussites and other Protestants fought to protect their freedom to worship as they chose.
Do I think the system back then was really great? No. I think state churches are a bad idea -- they always were (we can see this in Sweden today, where pastors are now forced to marry homosexuals because of this). But, at least back then, people cared about having right doctrine. This life was not the one they cared most about. They would not compromise with the other side and violate their consciences just to have peace.
But why do you refer to the 1500s and early 1600s? Why not the 1700s, 1800s, and the early 1900s, when orthodox Christianity still stood strong and there was peace and religious tolerance? (the Pietist movement in the 1700s, John Edwards, Charles Spurgeon, etc.) Not even this is enough for liberals today, it seems. --1990'sguy (talk) 12:13, 19 July 2017 (EDT)
I referred to those periods because you did.Rafael (talk) 12:52, 19 July 2017 (EDT)
Religious wars were over after 1648 (the end of the 30-Years-War, which is considered the turning point of European alliances being religiously-based to purely politically-based). I listed the 1500s, 1600s, and 1700s. During half of that time period, religious wars were over, even though tolerance, as we think of it today, came later for most of Western Europe. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:01, 19 July 2017 (EDT)
Besides, there was doctrinal purity even in peaceful areas during that time. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:02, 19 July 2017 (EDT)
I agree with your overall point? Maybe. But I do highly disagree with your idea that the bible did not advocate for religious war, and that's speaking as a Catholic. Do I really have to remind you that Jerusalem was literally FOUNDED on a religious war? How Moses actually had to stand to ensure the Israelites won various battles, not being overcome so long as his arms are high up? And besides, if God truly didn't want a religious war, ESPECIALLY if it wasn't endorsed by the Bible, something he made in the first place, what's stopping him from, say, doing onto those who merely suggest, let alone actually practicing a religious war what Zen-Oh did to Universe 9 (and BTW, that's actually one of the reasons I serve God, largely out of sheer terror, and you can probably see why from that clip)? God's clearly in charge, so he literally could do away with anything he does not approve of with literally nothing stopping him. Pokeria1 (talk) 13:15, 19 July 2017 (EDT)
I know of Joshua and the other books in the Old Testament that record the wars fought by the Israelites. I am not denying that, nor do I disapprove of those wars at all. The Israelites were commanded by God to take the Promised Land and wipe out the pagans living there. That was good, and the Israelites should have obeyed that command, rather than reaching out to the Canaanites and making peace. The OT wars and Jihad in Islam cannot be compared to each other: [16]
However, we live in a different time. Jesus has come into the world, and now Christians are commanded to go into the world and preach the good news (Matthew 28:18-20). The real battle is not against other people, but against spiritual forces (Ephesians 6:12). Just because the Israelites waged a holy war does not necessarily give us permission to do likewise. We would be diverging from our real mission and we would be most likely forget that God has won and will judge everyone. I agree, though that there is nothing sinful about Christians fighting when necessary.[17] --1990'sguy (talk) 13:46, 19 July 2017 (EDT)
I'm not sure if God actually won, even WITH Jesus's crucifixion. When I think of God winning, I think of him actually taking away our free will and our being explicit slaves to God, and him openly bragging about his superiority and control over us, and then forcing us to do what he wants regardless of what we want. Oh, and outright murdering Satan with a smile on his face as he does so, sort of like what Zen-Oh did in that clip to Universe 9. When we still have sin in the world, even with Jesus's sacrifice, and God views sin as an abomination that he absolutely will not tolerate, saying he won seems ambiguous at best. Now, do I think he scored points and got an edge over Satan? Yes. Do I want God to win? Yes, even though I'm more terrified of God than anything else. Long story short, I see God as being totalitarian with a superiority complex, precisely because of, among other things, his omnipotence. Pokeria1 (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2017 (EDT)
Revelation makes it crystal clear that God is going to win -- prophecies in the Bible can be spoken of in the past tense (many of them are in the past tense). Also, 1 Corinthians 15:26 states that death is the last enemy. Jesus's death on the cross has set the victory into motion. To be clear, I was not voicing the false view that the Second Coming has already happened. And when He comes again, he will act justly -- casting Satan into the fiery sulfur lake, along with every person who has not repented of their sins and trusted in Him alone. However, for those of us who have done so, life will be awesome. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:17, 20 July 2017 (EDT)
Oh, I know God's definitely going to win. I was referring to your recently-added statement of "and we would be most likely forget that God has won and will judge everyone." as if he already done so, when he hasn't yet. And quite frankly, even Satan being sent into the fiery lake is too good for him. Quite frankly, God should have done to him and his followers what Zen-Oh did in that clip, and with a great big smile on his face, even gleefully refuse mercy when Satan and his followers beg for it. Pokeria1 (talk) 04:48, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

1990sguy, please watch the short video located HERE. Conservative (talk) 00:30, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

Australian woman in Minneapolis killed by first "fully integrated" Somali Muslim cop

She is the one who called the cops. While she was talks with one, the other killed her. Geez, what do you think this does for women's confidence in calling the cops while a rape jihad is going on in the neighborhood? (I lived in the same neighborhood in the early 1980s). RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:30, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

We need to get this story out there cause MSM already is trying to bury it. Yesterday and this morning, it was another example of police violence. It already is being deep sixed on Facebook 3 hours after the killers name was released. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:36, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
Of course he was "fully integrated". He shot her didn't he? That's what Yank cops do.
The difference here - apart from the Australian aspect - is that it is black cop and white victim so he will be on his own. Already it's been labelled a homicide. Let's see if "justified" can be pinned to it - after all she was a blonde woman in pyjamas so was obviously up to no good. And as any US cop will tell you, a cellphone looks just like a pistol if a policeman wants it to be. AlanE (talk) 23:33, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
The isn't a black-white issue. It's 'can Muslims be successfully integrated into a secular civil law enforcement body versus the public's confidence in law enforcement to protect them from immigrant rapists and gangbangers'. I know the neighborhood well, I lived a few blocks from where this occured in the 1980s. I also understand Minnesota Democrats well and how they live in bubble. But these issues cross a line, and that line has nothing to do with race. 16:20, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
Minneapolis is heavily Swedish; but this isn't Sweden. We have free speech here and open discussion here, with out all the Second World War guilt. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:25, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
She was reporting what she believed to be an active sexual assault when she was shot by a Muslim police officer. This isn't Sweden or Germany. This won't be covered up or go away. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:50, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
The cover up is underway. The story has changed 4 times in 4 days. The city can't allow one man to destroy city relations with the Somali community which are already strained, and destroy women's confidence in the police in a neighborhood which already has seen multiple gang sex attacks by Somali Muslims. It'll be ruled an accident, but he'll never work as a cop again. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:06, 19 July 2017 (EDT)
The shooting is not a race issue, as many are trying to make it. Mohammad Noor executed shariah law on a woman who ratted out his Somali Muslim homies. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:31, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

Full disclosure: I lived in this neighborhood in the 1980s. I owned a business on the same street 7 blocks away. I know the neighborhood well & have multiple family and friends contacts keeping apprised of public sentiment and what is not reported in media. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:58, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

Betsey Hodges for Mayor, in Somali. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:18, 24 July 2017 (EDT)

Senate defections kill Obamacare repeal effort

The polls are in, and the cloudburst about Donald Jr's meeting doesn't seem to have changed many minds. All the same, my sense is that we have arrived at a turning point. Two more Republican senators have defected, causing the media to declare Obamacare repeal dead. To take the House, the Dems need to win the popular vote by at least 7 points.[18] If the polls suggest that could happen, we'll see a lot more defections. The Cook Report is predicting 233 Republican seats after the 2018 midterm, 192 Dems, and 10 toss ups.[19] Besides a stalled legislative agenda, Mueller's investigation looms. If he's not fired, he'll start indicting. Either way, the outlook is grim. Of course, I wrote Trump off once before, back in August. PeterKa (talk) 02:57, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

The GOP establishment has revealed itself to be what it really is – a bunch of political hacks who care more about their jobs than advancing conservative ideals and helping the nation. If they failed at repealing and replacing ObamaCare, what can they do? This was supposed to be the easiest item on the agenda. They should all be voted out. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:19, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
Now the GOP cannot even do a full repeal of ObamaCare: [20] One of the defecting "Republicans", Susan Collins even blatantly stated her desire to "fix" ObamaCare, rather than repeal it. Now, the only hope of ending/avoiding socialized medicine, I think, is to wait until after the election and campaign hard in order to elect more conservatives. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:02, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
Now, the "moderates" are meeting with Dems for a "bipartisan" (aka. European-style politics where multiple different parties that believe essentially the same thing advance liberal legislation they support and shun people who actually disagree with them) bill.[21] No more PP defunding, probably no tort reform, etc. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:58, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
The repeal bill Obama vetoed in 2015 is what Republicans ran on. It passed the Senate 52-47. It was whole lot better than the one before the Senate now. Check it out: "You Want to Know Who to Blame If ObamaCare Is Not Repealed? I’ll Tell You Who." PeterKa (talk) 02:01, 19 July 2017 (EDT)
This nightmare reveals much about our federal system. Obamacare, like our election laws, is not a single piece of legislation. We really have 50 different systems with 50 different laws in 50 states functioning under the name Obamacare with mandates from Washington. Some states have special exemptions from mandates that were crafted to win passage in 2010. Now Senators from each of those states trot into McConnell's office to secure another special deal, which if others discover, scream unfairness. It's a difficult balancing act.
In states, counties, and municipalities, all elected officials play by the same rules. In federal Washington, legislators represent states that have entirely different laws from one another - none are playing by the same rules. This may be the subject of an upcoming essay. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:02, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Will Trump fire Mueller?

Here is Lowry: "Yeah, Trump Is Probably Going to Fire Robert Mueller." That would trigger quite a storm, but I don't see any way to avoid it. Mueller yearns to be the Archibald Cox de nos jour. He is testing the limits of what he can do. For Trump to draw a red line around his personal finances (or any other subject) only encourages Mueller to cross it. Here is the latest from the NYT: "Trump Aides, Seeking Leverage, Investigate Mueller’s Investigators." Mueller's victims need to stick together. May I suggest a joint Trump-Hatfill press conference? PeterKa (talk) 08:20, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

Congress and Trump need to establish a bipartisan commission with subpeana powers to investigate the Justice Department. Mueller's office included, going as far back as Holder, Fast and Furious, emails, etc etc etc, and make recommendations for overhaul. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 20:37, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

Trump Village, Haryana, India

Apparently, a small village in India decided to rename itself "Trump Village" after the POTUS.[22] One interesting thing in this story is that this village is 80% Muslim. Non-radical Muslims outside the U.S. and Western Europe seem to approve of Trump. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:24, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

Cruz for AG?

Trump is still hoping Sessions will unrecuse himself. But if Sessions doesn't play ball, Ted Cruz is warming up: "WaPo: Trump to Tap Ted Cruz as Next AG …Lyin’ Ted?." Whoever finally gets the job of firing Mueller can start by sending him a letter demanding an explanation for his staff's numerous conflicts of interests. Mueller's got a crew of maxed out Hillary donors. It won't be hard to find appropriate grounds to fire him -- provided that Trump uses a bit more impulse control than he did with Comey.[23] PeterKa (talk) 01:38, 25 July 2017 (EDT)

Cruz for SCOTUS, as Trump promised.RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:23, 25 July 2017 (EDT)
I really hope Trump does not force Sessions out -- he is probably the most loyal and principled Trump Administration cabinet member, and he is playing a huge role in implementing Trump's agenda.[24] I do not have faith that any replacement would be even come close to Sessions. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:30, 25 July 2017 (EDT)
Yes, Cruz would be a prefect SCOTUS appointment. The president openly wants Sessions out, but he refuses to go. The only precedent I can think of is Stanton refusing to resign as secretary of war back in 1867.
At least in theory, there is another way out. Trump could replace Rosenstein with someone willing to do the deed and fire Mueller. The senate would have to confirm, and there won't be any Dems voting for whoever Trump names. Add I see Limbaugh has the same idea as I did: "Limbaugh: Rosenstein, Not Sessions ‘Ought to Be the Subject’ of Abuse If Trump Is Upset About Mueller." PeterKa (talk) 06:19, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

Given the joke nature of the current Russian probe, why doesn't Trump ask Sessions to "unrecuse" himself.Conservative (talk) 06:28, 27 July 2017 (EDT)

The walls close in on the ISIS caliphate

Trump and Mattis are delivering on the GOP's most important campaign promise: "The death of the caliphate: Why ISIS’s huge territorial setbacks in Syria and Iraq are so devastating to the terrorist group." What do you do with an ex-caliph? According to Marco Polo, the Mongols locked the Abbasid caliph up in his treasure room and told him, "Eat of thy treasure as much as thou wilt, since thou art so fond of it." PeterKa (talk) 01:38, 25 July 2017 (EDT)

This may be a mistake, destroying ISIS, cause now the jihad is dispersed globally, to Europe, North America, and elsewhere, instead of being confined to Syria. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:26, 25 July 2017 (EDT)
Control of territory is a mark of the caliphate. It will be harder for ISIS to get recruits without it. That they could inspire jihadists in San Bernadino or Paris is what made them dangerous. PeterKa (talk) 00:42, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
Mindanao in the southern Philippines has already eclipsed Raqqa as the destination of choice for migrating jihadists.[25] PeterKa (talk) 06:57, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

Bring back rule of law

Prominent Dems have been above the law for a long time. Ken Starr meticulously documented various examples of Clinton criminality, all to shockingly little effect. Liberal arrogance is on full display in today's jaw dropping Washington Post editorial. This piece argues that it's "not okay" to hold Hillary responsible for her crimes. Is deleting and "bleaching" 30,000 emails under FBI investigation somehow not enough to justify an obstruction charge? It's not just the old catalog of horrors either. More recently, Judicial Watch uncovered numerous additional examples of pay to play. In one case, Bill Clinton got $500,000 for a Moscow speech in 2010 while Hillary issued visas to Russian human rights violators. See "Clinton Scandal Only Deepens — So Why Is Trump, Not Hillary, Targeted For Investigation?" Trump's next move should be to order the NSA to turn Hillary's deleted email over to the Justice Department. There is an informal tradition of giving former presidents a pass on legal indiscretions. But there is no logic to creating a "wife and candidate" privilege, which is essentially what the WP is demanding. PeterKa (talk) 08:21, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

RINO betrayal on repealing Obamacare

Here is a strongly recommended article in preparation for the primaries and remembrance of this disgusting betrayal.



The New Yorker article. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:37, 27 July 2017 (EDT)

I don't really trust Scaramucci -- he had many tweets promoting left-wing viewpoints, he supported Democrats and moderate Republicans before supporting Trump, and he is criticizing Steve Bannon, rather than criticizing people like Cohn, Powell, and Kushner, who are even more liberal than Priebus is. I really hope Trump won't effectively block his agenda through these appointments. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:40, 27 July 2017 (EDT)
Scaramucci is loyal and he is humble enough to want to put Trump's agenda before his own. He is also very articulate and pleasant. Spicer was a nice guy, but he needed to go. The liberals ground him down. Scaramucci is more unflappable, firm and diplomatic than Spicer. So it is harder for liberals to get under Scaramucci's skin.
I wouldn't worry about Scaramucci.Conservative (talk) 23:48, 27 July 2017 (EDT)
I sure hope so, but his comments revealed today are anything but pleasant. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:50, 27 July 2017 (EDT)
I just read the New Yorker article. Scaramucci is a very passionate, firm and clever guy. Reince Priebus messed with the wrong guy. Priebus is going to lose this battle and get fired - especially since Scaramucci is so loyal to Trump.Conservative (talk) 00:10, 28 July 2017 (EDT)
Spicy may be out of the flagship series, but he could still end up with his own spinoff: "‘Dancing with the Stars’ wants Sean Spicer." Who knows where the motorized podium will take him next?
Scaramucci is too good at his job. He is even better at getting press attention than Trump is. I give him a week. Two weeks tops. PeterKa (talk) 00:42, 28 July 2017 (EDT)
If we don't see some legislative action before the two week break in mid August, Scaramucci's prediction of Priebus going may come true. At that point the rift in the GOP is complete between the White House and the party establishment. It'll be everyman for himself with the midterms approaching. People can threaten voting against McCain, Graham, Collins, Murkowski, Ryan all they want, it falls on deaf ears. Nobody thinks Pelosi & Summer can do a better job, and them taking over will guarantee impeachment charges. Trump would have to give them single payer to save himself, but they'd impeach him in the end anyway. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 01:54, 28 July 2017 (EDT)

Priebus, you're fired!

Title says it all. RINO establishment figure Reince Priebus has been booted out as Chief of Staff, and DHS Secretary John Kelly will replace him.


Obamacare repeal fails, Priebus out the next day (just as I predicted). Looks like Trump is on his own now without Congressional Republicans. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 20:02, 28 July 2017 (EDT)
Scaramucci is on his own too, albeit in a different sense: "Anthony Scaramucci’s wife files for divorce." His “naked political ambition” was a turn off for the missus, according to the article. PeterKa (talk) 20:53, 28 July 2017 (EDT)

1) I'm curious who will replace Kelly. I'm hoping it will be someone like Kris Kobach or David Clarke. I will probably be content with another general as well.

2) It's reported that Trump is disagreeing with National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster. Hopefully, McMaster will leave his position as well. I have read many stories of him forcing more conservative people out of the NSC. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:42, 28 July 2017 (EDT)

Why was Priebus dismissed? Here is The Hill: "Trump unhappy with Priebus for not 'returning fire' at Scaramucci: report." White House cage match! Assuming this is from a source inside the White House, the war on leaks may be off to a rocky start. PeterKa (talk) 00:13, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
Let's hope that there's still Conservatives left to actually repeal Obamacare, because Ed Willing indicates that Democrats are controlling the White House in all but name: http://theresurgent.com/lifelong-democrats-now-control-the-white-house/ Pokeria1 (talk) 06:29, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
With Priebus gone, lifelong Democrats control the White House now. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:46, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
The GOP can starve ObamaCare by refusing to pay cost-sharing subsidies. In addition, the GOP can also cut outreach programs which will cut enrollments and drive up prices. [26]
The GOP doesn't have to make full frontal attack on ObamaCare. Hit and run attacks and sabotage can kill the law.
On top of this, you have an aging baby boom population which will shoot up demand on medical services. Higher demand probably means higher prices.
In addition, you have obesity rates being higher among pre-boomer populations which means higher diabetes rates, higher rates of knee/foot problems, higher rates of cancer in their lives, etc. And the millennials are less religious so you have higher rates of alcoholism and drug abuse and higher rates of depression (see: Atheism and health). Pre-boomer populations are helping to drive up medical costs higher than is necessary.
The only potential cost savings in the system is technological/medical advances which cause medical costs to be cheaper.
All of this will probably be blamed on ObamaCare.
Priebus and Obama have something in common. Their political legacies are doomed. Sooner or later, ObamaCare is going to implode.Conservative (talk) 13:10, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
By midterms, Obamacare will have imploded requiring emergency debt relief from Congress. We'll be right back where we are now, on!y in a crisis environment. Firing Priebus means Trump wants to cut deals with Shummer & Pelosi. His tax reform package never got written up to the point it could be pronounced DOA. In the midterm crisis, with investigations - of Trump's own doing because he refuses to listen to advisors or take advice - coupled with the personal financial crisis Obamacare's implosion will cause, Republican members already are distancing themselves. I'm sure most have made up their minds in House & Senate how to vote on impeachment. And it all could be done quickly and painlessly. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:41, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
As Trump's legislative successes show, if it come to a vote of us or him, he looses. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:45, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

Priebus does not have a strong enough personality to be a chief of staff plus he was never given the authority he needed. Trump also needs to hire someone strong enough to challenge him and he needs to accept constructive criticism (But maybe Trump's ego will never allow this). Ford and Carter had problems with weak chiefs of staff. Maybe picking Newt Gingrich as a chief of staff instead of Priebus at the start would have been smarter. Conservative (talk) 19:50, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

As far as "Firing Priebus means Trump wants to cut deals with Shummer & Pelosi." The problem is the skyrocketing debt limits Trump's options in terms of the real world implications. For example, big infrastructure spending could cause economic problems due to higher federal debt being a drag on the economy.

In addition, the Democrats are inside in a leftist utopian bubble filled with fake problems/science (global warming, etc.) and unrealistic expectations on what science and social policies are able to solve. For example, achieving equality of results in terms of wealth is often legalized envy/robbery. Some people have more drive than others. In addition, if people who honestly try to get work or cannot work have their basic needs met, who cares if they lack cable television, Obama phones, etc. Right now, their are social costs like aging populations, training people for a new economy (robotics removing factory jobs), increasing literacy among older people whose failing public schools never educated them properly, etc. etc. so it is hard to justify cable television, Obama phones, for the poor. If they need to entertain themselves they should go to the library (read books), play cards or board games, etc. In addition, many of them should be spending their efforts to make themselves more employable through higher skill sets.Conservative (talk) 20:18, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

Obamacare implosion will be like the crash of 2008 when banks ran out of cash and Congress had to act in 72 hrs to raise the debt limit and grant he Treasury borrowing authority. In 2008, the Feds were pledged to bail out the banks since the FDIC Act in the 1930s. A bail out provision was included in Obamacare. As in the mortgage market, insurers were encouraged to write loans cause they couldn't loose money with a federal pledge. Unlike Fannie Mae, FDIC, or Medicare, no permanent funding source was ever provided, the idea bring single payer would take it's place when it failed. Obamacare has existed now for seven years with no funding source, just the borrowed money appropriated from the budget acts of 2009-10.
IOW, when it implodes - when insurers go out of business cause they can't afford to write the policies under Washington guidelines - Congress will have an emergency debt ceiling increase to keep the system running on borrowed money (absent reform). But how long to keep it running without a funding source? 18 months? 2 years? Kicking the can down the road. Ultimately, the GOP will be blamed for the economic crisis.
As of now, Trump has no legislative achievements to boast of. He's not likely to have any before the midterms. The tax bill, which could have been a huge success and why many people supported him, appears dead. Members are focused on saving their own skin, and the GOP brand, and owe nothing to Donald Trump. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 20:51, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

Update: Rumor is Sessions moves over the DHS to replace Kelly and a new AG (Christie or Guiliani?) fires Mueller. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 09:18, 30 July 2017 (EDT)

McCain, Murkowski betray voters on O'care

These two senators voted to repeal Obamacare in 2015. They were reelected by people who assumed they would do so again. See IBD: "Murkowski and McCain Saved ObamaCare Just Months After Promising Voters They'd Repeal It." PeterKa (talk) 21:41, 28 July 2017 (EDT)

Bye Mooch!

Kelly's first move as chief of staff is to fire the Mooch: "Trump Removes Anthony Scaramucci From Communications Director Role." The Mooch era lasted ten days. PeterKa (talk) 15:05, 31 July 2017 (EDT)

Pride cometh before the fall. He shouldn't have attacked Steve Bannon or let his guard down with that reporter.
After months of vicious attacks on Trump by the press, why did Scaramucci trust a reporter? Madness!
Sun Tzu never would have let his guard down with that reporter. "Invincibility lies in the defence..." - Sun Tzu. "Know your enemy...". - Sun Tzu. Conservative (talk) 15:31, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
You should send Trump a copy of The Art of War, or maybe just Strategy for Dummies. JohnZ (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
"A look at the 45th President's obsession with Sun Tzu and 'The Art of War.'"[27] Trump has quoted Sun Tzu on Twitter several times.[28][29][30] Conservative (talk)

Kelly and Scaramucci

I mostly disagree with the MPR blurb criticizing Kelly for supporting Comey. While I am not a fan of that specific event, Kelly has shown himself to be a competent and, for the most part, conservative DHS Secretary. In addition, "The Mooch" had to go. He was a big-mouth and a distraction (as Newt Gingrich said, he was full of himself). Also, Kelly has good relations with Bannon, who was worried Trump would appoint a Democrat to the Chief of Staff position.[31] --1990'sguy (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2017 (EDT)

Disraeli said, "Everyone likes flattery; and when you come to Royalty you should lay it on with a trowel." He kept Victoria out his hair by making her empress of India. If Kelly can think of something Trump can be emperor of, it may be possible to avoid another Scaramucci episode. PeterKa (talk) 03:42, 1 August 2017 (EDT)
It's difficult to see how someone who cared more about Comey than about Trump will defend him against the unrelenting campaign by liberals, the media, and others to drive down his approval rating. But no need to speculate, we'll see soon enough. The preliminary results already coming in are not good, however, as the approval rating hit a new low.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:20, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
Kelly will run the staff like Sherman Adams for Ike or Alexander Haig for Nixon. Kelly's relations with Comey means he had some contact with him in the intelligence community prior (I haven't fully researched it yet,), meaning the White House now is being run by a non-partissn deep state establishment insider, a guy who is respected, too. This should be a good thing, and help Trump end the fued with IC, gain a measure of control over it, and weed out the Obama traitors and conspirators. Should take some time, but on the right path. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 01:49, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
It's open season on the Bannonites: "Trump loyalist Ezra Cohen-Watnick fired from NSC, sources say." Cohen-Watnick was a Flynn appointee. McMaster has tried to get rid of him before. This time he got the OK from Kelly. PeterKa (talk) 07:03, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
About The Mooch, not only did he want to kick out Bannon, but his communications strategy does not seem to be very wise either. It is good that he is out. The next person who should go: McMaster. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:06, 3 August 2017 (EDT)

Awan should be on MPR

Nothing about Imran Awan on MPR. There certainly should be. Aside from the inexplicably high salaries Awan and his "brothers" received for doing little to no apparent work, the congressional Dems petitioned the Obama White House to give these "tech specialists" the highest level of security clearance. This is despite the fact that none of the people in Awan's sleazy crew could have got through even the most rudimentary security vetting. See "Dem Congressman Runs Away From Awan Brothers Question Like a Coward (VIDEO)" and "Aide for Rep. Wasserman Schultz arrested while trying to leave country." PeterKa (talk) 06:44, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

OK. I will do it. Conservative (talk) 07:49, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
You beat me to the suggestion.. There is an Awan investigation article which needs some updating. Prior to Imran arrest, it probably was the single most comphrenive one page article on the internet, cause there were no more than two dozen sources available anywhere. Since the arrest, there's been an avalanche daily. I've been wsiting to update it, but if anyone feels ambitious, please do. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 07:54, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

Can we get a link from the Main Page to Awan investigation? It was #13 on Google 2 days after I started it with 2000 hits and now is number 33. Early placement has staying power on Google rankings. This is one of the singular most comprehensive summaries of all know evidence anywhere available. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:35, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

Modern-day Canaanites: A message to our secularist readers

I have been reading around the internet, and I have noticed how many secularists are claiming that the discovery of modern-day descendants of Canaanites somehow disproves the Bible.

This is a false claim, and this discovery actually shows that the Bible is correct.

The Bible makes it clear that many Canaanites survived the Israelites, mainly because of the sinful practices of the Israelites in disobeying God's command to wipe them out because of their sin. One can see this in Joshua 9, where the Gibeonites tricked the Israelites into not killing them. Joshua 17:12-13 also shows that the Israelites used the Canaanites for slave labor, rather than killing them. Also, read Judges 1:27 - 2:5, especially 2:1-5, where God explicitly states that the Canaanites would never be driven out of the land. The Bible records the Canaanites as being alive and used for slave labor as late as the monarchy period of Israel: 1 Kings 9:20-21. The Israelites were intermarrying with the Canaanites after the Babylonian exile, as late as the 500-400s BC: Ezra 9:1-2.

Something even more interesting: Jesus Himself had some Canaanite DNA in him. Rahab and her family, the only Canaanites to survive the Battle of Jericho, were allowed to live with the Israelites (Joshua 6:22-25). She may have been a descendant of Jesus (Matthew 1:5). Also, Ruth, who was a Moabite woman (Ruth 1:4), married the Israelite Boaz and became a descendant of David (Ruth 4:18-22) and eventually Jesus (Matthew 1:5).

The fact that secularists are using this example to "disprove" the Bible shows how little they know about the Bible. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:33, 3 August 2017 (EDT)

Aye. Clearer heads would note the order to commit genocide and leave it that. JohnZ (talk) 18:54, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
The reason why the Israelites were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites was because of their sin. They performed many extreme acts, including child sacrifice (some of the Israelite kings adopted their practices when they rebelled against God). If the Canaanites repented, they would have been saved. The examples of Rahab (and her family) and Ruth are good examples of this. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:58, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
Forgive me if I don't see the logic in punishing those who sacrifice children by killing their children for them. JohnZ (talk) 20:04, 3 August 2017 (EDT)