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| + | ==Marriage in the Old Testament== | ||
| + | I think we should talk about the various forms of marriage in the Old Testament. Since we allude to the Old Testament by mentioning Adam and Eve, we are opening ourselves up to the charge that we are liberal Christians who pick and choose which parts of the Bible we want to believe. Also, assertions of the "will of God" should be backed up, chapter and verse, with the Word of God. [[User:JeffM|JeffM]] 17:31, 10 September 2007 (EDT) | ||
| + | :As someone who would rather be Biblically correct than politically correct, I agree with you. I'll try to write something in the next few days unless someone wants to beat me to it. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 12:14, 24 September 2007 (EDT) | ||
| + | :Since no one has objected to Jeff's proposal in this long, I've made the changes. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 18:46, 28 September 2007 (EDT) | ||
| − | + | == Qualifier and citations? == | |
| − | + | At the moment, the article implies that marriage only exists in cultures that have accepted God in the Christian sense. Maybe some sort of qualifier is in order to specify that this article (currently) only deals with the Christian view of marriage. | |
| − | + | Additionally, could we get a cite for at least the "Ancient Rome's decline" part at the bottom? Blaming homosexuality and extramarital sex for the decline of a culture is a fairly strong claim and should at least have one authoritative history source to back it up. --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 14:06, 24 September 2007 (EDT) | |
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| + | ==Attacks on the institution of marriage== | ||
| + | Just wanted to note here a deeply touching explanation by the Republican mayor of San Diego for his recent change of heart over the issue of gay marriage. I realise that 'evolution' is a dirty word on this website for many people, but IMHO this man is an example of how views on the issue of gay marriage are changing. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SnTwrnKb61Q%20--[[User:Britinme|Britinme]] 11:09, 26 September 2007 (EDT) | ||
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| + | == No coverage of those who don't marry? == | ||
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| + | This article doesn't say anything about those who are single and not in a relationship. How come the article doesn't say anything about the proper age to be married? (I.e. being unmarried at 18 is normal, being unmarried by 25 is a 50-50 choice, being unmarried by 30 means you need to settle down, and being unmarried by 40 means you're a complete loser with no social skills.) Being unmarried by a certain age erodes the institution of marriage just as much as being homosexual or cohabitating without being married. There should be some coverage of this. --[[User:Elkman|Elkman]] 10:58, 14 February 2008 (EST) | ||
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| + | Better to wait til you're 50 and in love to marry, than marry cause you're a "certain age." True love isn't easy to find. We should stray from generalizations like those as each situation is different. --DavidS 02:13, 18 June 2013 (EDT) | ||
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| + | == Mistake in Newsweek article info == | ||
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| + | "A recent Newsweek' article complains that Biblical figures have not provided good historical examples of marriage, on the grounds that Abraham begot Isaac by a maidservant and Jacob had four wives." | ||
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| + | The Newsweek article never actually specified the name of the son that Abraham had with his servant, but it was Ishmael, not Isaac, and Jacob only had 2 wives [[User:Mikek|Mikek]] 11:05, 15 December 2008 (EST) | ||
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| + | :Was this minor error mine or theirs? Jacob had 13 children by his two wives and his two concubines. This has no effect on the validity of the Newsweek argument. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 12:48, 15 December 2008 (EST) | ||
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| + | ::I was trying to avoid coming out and placing blame (would've just modified the article if it was unlocked), but since you asked... your error. The article states only that Abraham slept with his servant, and doesn't mention children at all, and says that Jacob fathered children on 4 women, without mentioning marriage. | ||
| + | ::You're right that it doesn't affect the argument, this was just for accuracy. [[User:Mikek|Mikek]] 13:13, 15 December 2008 (EST) | ||
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| + | ==Divorce== | ||
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| + | How do we mention [[divorce]]? One atheism advocate - banned for vandalism - mentioned the problem in the intro but did not elaborate. Shall we have a section on the challenges that modern American Christians have maintaining this sacred institution? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 08:51, 31 January 2010 (EST) | ||
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| + | ==New Testament== | ||
| + | This article says that marriage is meant to be for life, and then mentions the Book of Genesis. Should it not also mention the New Testament, especially the teachings of Jesus in the Four Gospels? [[User:Carltonio|Carltonio]] ([[User talk:Carltonio|talk]]) 13:45, 28 April 2019 (EDT) | ||
| + | :Yes, you're absolutely right. Thank you. Can you improve it as you think best? I will also link to this important entry on the Main Page (left).--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 13:52, 28 April 2019 (EDT) | ||
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Marriage in the Old Testament
I think we should talk about the various forms of marriage in the Old Testament. Since we allude to the Old Testament by mentioning Adam and Eve, we are opening ourselves up to the charge that we are liberal Christians who pick and choose which parts of the Bible we want to believe. Also, assertions of the "will of God" should be backed up, chapter and verse, with the Word of God. JeffM 17:31, 10 September 2007 (EDT)
- As someone who would rather be Biblically correct than politically correct, I agree with you. I'll try to write something in the next few days unless someone wants to beat me to it. DavidE 12:14, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
- Since no one has objected to Jeff's proposal in this long, I've made the changes. DavidE 18:46, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
Qualifier and citations?
At the moment, the article implies that marriage only exists in cultures that have accepted God in the Christian sense. Maybe some sort of qualifier is in order to specify that this article (currently) only deals with the Christian view of marriage.
Additionally, could we get a cite for at least the "Ancient Rome's decline" part at the bottom? Blaming homosexuality and extramarital sex for the decline of a culture is a fairly strong claim and should at least have one authoritative history source to back it up. --Jenkins 14:06, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
Attacks on the institution of marriage
Just wanted to note here a deeply touching explanation by the Republican mayor of San Diego for his recent change of heart over the issue of gay marriage. I realise that 'evolution' is a dirty word on this website for many people, but IMHO this man is an example of how views on the issue of gay marriage are changing. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SnTwrnKb61Q%20--Britinme 11:09, 26 September 2007 (EDT)
No coverage of those who don't marry?
This article doesn't say anything about those who are single and not in a relationship. How come the article doesn't say anything about the proper age to be married? (I.e. being unmarried at 18 is normal, being unmarried by 25 is a 50-50 choice, being unmarried by 30 means you need to settle down, and being unmarried by 40 means you're a complete loser with no social skills.) Being unmarried by a certain age erodes the institution of marriage just as much as being homosexual or cohabitating without being married. There should be some coverage of this. --Elkman 10:58, 14 February 2008 (EST)
Better to wait til you're 50 and in love to marry, than marry cause you're a "certain age." True love isn't easy to find. We should stray from generalizations like those as each situation is different. --DavidS 02:13, 18 June 2013 (EDT)
Mistake in Newsweek article info
"A recent Newsweek' article complains that Biblical figures have not provided good historical examples of marriage, on the grounds that Abraham begot Isaac by a maidservant and Jacob had four wives."
The Newsweek article never actually specified the name of the son that Abraham had with his servant, but it was Ishmael, not Isaac, and Jacob only had 2 wives Mikek 11:05, 15 December 2008 (EST)
- Was this minor error mine or theirs? Jacob had 13 children by his two wives and his two concubines. This has no effect on the validity of the Newsweek argument. --Ed Poor Talk 12:48, 15 December 2008 (EST)
- I was trying to avoid coming out and placing blame (would've just modified the article if it was unlocked), but since you asked... your error. The article states only that Abraham slept with his servant, and doesn't mention children at all, and says that Jacob fathered children on 4 women, without mentioning marriage.
- You're right that it doesn't affect the argument, this was just for accuracy. Mikek 13:13, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Divorce
How do we mention divorce? One atheism advocate - banned for vandalism - mentioned the problem in the intro but did not elaborate. Shall we have a section on the challenges that modern American Christians have maintaining this sacred institution? --Ed Poor Talk 08:51, 31 January 2010 (EST)
New Testament
This article says that marriage is meant to be for life, and then mentions the Book of Genesis. Should it not also mention the New Testament, especially the teachings of Jesus in the Four Gospels? Carltonio (talk) 13:45, 28 April 2019 (EDT)
- Yes, you're absolutely right. Thank you. Can you improve it as you think best? I will also link to this important entry on the Main Page (left).--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:52, 28 April 2019 (EDT)
