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:: There are over 10,000 ''retired'' professional athletes.  Your denial doesn't apply to them.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:19, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
 
:: There are over 10,000 ''retired'' professional athletes.  Your denial doesn't apply to them.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:19, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
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:::Agreed with Murray (in fact, I got edit conflicted on the way of saying just that). The data is based on self-identification, and while things ''may'' be better now, I can understand people in football/etc. teams who keep their sexual preferences a secret. Sure, some will come out and admit it, but I expect them to be a minority. See also this snippet from the first source:
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{{Back then, gay athletes felt compelled to keep quiet, fearing hostile locker rooms and coaches who might cut them from the team.}}
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:::The problem is that the conclusion is based on unreliable data. Aggression-based sports don't magically keep people straight - they will simply make them afraid of admitting their preferences.
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:::About the retired players: Not everybody suddenly goes on air, announcing they're gay. Why should they? You're still basing your "mystery" on self-identification (or lack thereof, in this case). You are working under the assumption that the data you got is 100% reliable and that everybody will have reported "the truth" by now. Sorry, but no. And your retired guys grew up in a time where being gay was met with more hostility, so that's one more incentive for them to not suddenly go against their decades of bad experience. --[[User:JBrown|JBrown]] 21:29, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

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What about John Amaechi ---user:DLerner--- 20:58, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Fine, that's one, and his example undermines Murray's claim below. One out of over 10,000 is less than 0.01%.--Aschlafly 21:21, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Aggressive Sexuality

Aggression-based sports encourage and reward aggression, while passive behavior is discouraged. People who play aggression-based sports develop more aggressive personalities than they would otherwise, and it is logical to expect that to carry over into sexual preference.

So, there are no aggressive gays? Well, another stereotype confirmed! You heard it hear first ladies and gentlemen!

See point 6 in liberal logic. It's remarkable how often that fallacy is repeated by liberals.--Aschlafly 21:19, 11 May 2008 (EDT)


This is just silly. It's not much of a mystery - homosexuality is less welcome in all-male locker rooms, and it is likely that there are plenty more gay professional athletes who keep quiet because they fear how their teammates would react. There's no way to know how many gay men there are in professional sports. Murray 21:03, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
There are over 10,000 retired professional athletes. Your denial doesn't apply to them.--Aschlafly 21:19, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Agreed with Murray (in fact, I got edit conflicted on the way of saying just that). The data is based on self-identification, and while things may be better now, I can understand people in football/etc. teams who keep their sexual preferences a secret. Sure, some will come out and admit it, but I expect them to be a minority. See also this snippet from the first source:

Template:Back then, gay athletes felt compelled to keep quiet, fearing hostile locker rooms and coaches who might cut them from the team.

The problem is that the conclusion is based on unreliable data. Aggression-based sports don't magically keep people straight - they will simply make them afraid of admitting their preferences.
About the retired players: Not everybody suddenly goes on air, announcing they're gay. Why should they? You're still basing your "mystery" on self-identification (or lack thereof, in this case). You are working under the assumption that the data you got is 100% reliable and that everybody will have reported "the truth" by now. Sorry, but no. And your retired guys grew up in a time where being gay was met with more hostility, so that's one more incentive for them to not suddenly go against their decades of bad experience. --JBrown 21:29, 11 May 2008 (EDT)