Difference between revisions of "Talk:North American Man/Boy Love Association"

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A lot of movements have people in their fold they're not proud of.  Ted Haggart, for one.  But the fact that the founder was a creepy doesn't mean the movement isn't still valid, and right.-'''<font color="#007FFF">Ames</font><font color="#FF0000">G</font>'''<sub>[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]</sub> 13:36, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
 
A lot of movements have people in their fold they're not proud of.  Ted Haggart, for one.  But the fact that the founder was a creepy doesn't mean the movement isn't still valid, and right.-'''<font color="#007FFF">Ames</font><font color="#FF0000">G</font>'''<sub>[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]</sub> 13:36, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
 
:Good.  I hope you see the broader picture.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 14:09, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
 
:Good.  I hope you see the broader picture.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 14:09, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
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I have no problem with the article.  Indeed, I would like to see all these guys locked up for good.  However, it is shameful of you to categorize the article into the Anti-war movement and Liberal Activists.  While some of these guys are probably anti-war and liberal, I suspect some are exactly the opposite.  Shame on you.--[[User:Trajsmith|Trajsmith]] 13:34, 5 May 2007 (EDT)--[[User:Trajsmith|Trajsmith]] 13:34, 5 May 2007 (EDT)

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Earlier there was a user who tried several times to add a link to NAMBLA's website in the article of that name, and this user was given tacit support and approval by others for his actions. There are people in Conservapedia, including Andy, who WILL NEVER TOLERATE any site that advocates child molesting, and I don't want to hear the excuses as to NAMBLA's so-called intentions. If I see anyone post a link to a child-molesting site, I will assume they support child molesting and they will never be allowed in this website again. If I see direct evidence that such an editor may be more involved in child molesting then providing a link, then Andy will be notified as well as federal and state law enforcement. Karajou 00:12, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Agree 100 percent. There is no need for a "link" to that site. --Ed Poor 06:48, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
NAMBLA site visitors are automatically put on the FBI watch list, FYI. Good move, Karajou! --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 09:00, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
I beleive the old discussion should be properly archived or restored, and not deleted. RobS 11:31, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Rob, I didn't see a quote about it in the article, but I did in recent changes, so keep in mind it's not a "gay activist group." It's a homosexual pedophilia activist group. Gay pedophilia is about as different from homosexuality as straight pedophilia is from heterosexuality :-/ -AmesGyo! 11:39, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

That is incorrect; Harry Hay the "founder of the gay movement in America" [1] in this cite is compared with Thomas Jefferson, Emma Goldman, and Rosa Parks. RobS 12:10, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Restored text from Archive.

This source, The American Spectator Special Report, When Nancy Met Harry, Jeffrey Lord, 10/5/2006, exrtracted reads as follows,

"Harry Hay was a fierce advocate of man/boy love. While The Chronicle simply ignored Harry's views, the North American Man/Boy Love Association was only too delighted to put up a collection of Harry's views on the need for young boys to have older men as sexual partners. Here's just a sample taken from a talk at a New York University forum sponsored by a campus gay group in 1983.
Said Harry: "Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world."

The text of this conference speech in full is available on NAMBLA's website. I'd say this goes beyond issue advocacy. RobS 13:47, 27 April 2007 (EDT) and RobS 12:10, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Equating gays with NAMBLA, though, is still incorrect, even if one guy was both.-AmesGyo! 12:29, 28 April 2007 (EDT)
It is not simply "one guy", it is the recognized founder of the organized gay rights movement in the US, who coincidently had been a CPUSA member since the 1930s. And if you haven't heard by now, this particularly is my area of speciality, which I can proudly assert is the cause of my banning from WP. WP:Cold War Portal carries a few articles I authored, one of which is History of Soviet Espionage in the United States. This is an unwritten chapter, the subversive influence of the homosexual movement on American politics and society. I am greatful to User:JeffersonDarcy, becuase I had no reason to ever pursue this on my own, but when I found the precious little nugget about how Harry Hay had been a CPUSA member since the 30s, it filled in a lot of gaps. And we see now how this socially and politically subversive organization took the leadership role in March of 2003 of the anti-War movement. We have living history here that must be documented. RobS 13:22, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

A lot of movements have people in their fold they're not proud of. Ted Haggart, for one. But the fact that the founder was a creepy doesn't mean the movement isn't still valid, and right.-AmesGyo! 13:36, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Good. I hope you see the broader picture. RobS 14:09, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

I have no problem with the article. Indeed, I would like to see all these guys locked up for good. However, it is shameful of you to categorize the article into the Anti-war movement and Liberal Activists. While some of these guys are probably anti-war and liberal, I suspect some are exactly the opposite. Shame on you.--Trajsmith 13:34, 5 May 2007 (EDT)--Trajsmith 13:34, 5 May 2007 (EDT)