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Patriotism, or love of country, is the highest American virtue. Patriotism means unquestioning obedience and loyalty to the Leader of the country. The opposite of patriotism, treason, is the act of questioning, criticizing or voting against the Leader.
Patriotism comes from the Latin. An ancient Latino poet wrote "Dulce et decorum est pro Patria mori", which means "It is sweet and decorative for patriots to die"[1].

"highest American virtue"--not sourced.

"Patriotism means unquestioning obedience and loyalty to the Leader of the country." No, it doesn't. It means simply love or devotion to one's country. Hardly the same.

"The opposite of patriotism, treason..." No, they are not opposites. Treason is "Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies." "Failure to be devoted" is not the same as "waging war against it" or "aiding its enemies."

"It is sweet and decorative for patriots to die"; perhaps, but a more usual rendering is "It is sweet and becoming to die for one's country." Dpbsmith 16:38, 25 February 2007 (EST)

What is the source for this edit,
  • the root is the same as pater, father, and literally means "fatherland." RobS 12:32, 8 May 2007 (EDT)


Should nationalism be mentioned and/or linked? SaWi 21:08, 12 January 2011 (EST)

Breitbart

The Breitbart article about the Wallethub survey contains deceitful cherry picking of data, stopping the most/least patriotic states list at 3. That's why I examined the article in detail and wrote the section that I wrote, increasing the lists to 6. I believed that doing so made it unnecessary to use a reference to the Breitbart article as a gateway to the Wallethub article. But if you believe that Breitbart references may never be removed, that's up to you.

By the way, neither the Breitbart article nor the Wallethub article uses the word "liberal" anywhere. And the Breitbart article's use of Republican/Democratic control of statehouses and legislators as the indicator for redness/blueness of states, and attributing it to the Wallethub article, is deceitful. The latter article was quite clear that they were using the 2016 Presidential vote. SamHB (talk) 13:11, 25 July 2019 (EDT)

DECEIT!

There is deceit in both the Conservapedia article and the Breitbart article. The Breitbart article[2] claims that the Wallethub article says that the 3 least patriotic states are controlled by Democrats. But that Wallethub article,[3] says nothing of the kind. It uses the voting in the 2016 Presidential election, but it says nothing about statehouse of legislature control. The Breitbart article also engages in deceitful cherry-picking by summarizing the top and bottom 3 states, while summarizing the top and bottom 4 states would get a different result.

We at Conservapedia of course have no control over the integrity of Breitbart. But we do have rules that say that "Everything you post must be true and verifiable." Saying "A 2019 WalletHub survey found that the three most unpatriotic states were completely controlled by liberal Democrats" is wrong. Citing a dishonest web site elsewhere in support of that false statement does not make it right.

SamHB (talk) 14:39, 25 July 2019 (EDT)

Just because you claim that both articles have "deceit" in them, with that claim motivated by your hatred of and preference to ignore the truth (both liberal traits), does not make what you say true. Attempting to yet again force a liberal POV into an article, for no other reason than that you want what you believe to be true (i.e. wishful thinking), won't get you anywhere.
You might do well not to impute motives to me, especially not the motive of hatred of the truth. And then I won't do the same to you. My motives for saying that the two articles were deceitful were as follows:
  1. [Breitbart article] That article says, right there on the front page, first sentence: "Three of the least-patriotic states in America are controlled by Democrats in political office, according to a report [referring, in the next sentence, to the Wallethub report] released Monday." It then explains it in the third paragraph, saying that "all of the [bottom 3—California, New York, and New Jersey] states have Democrat-majority legislatures and a Democrat serving as governor." While it's true that the three states listed do have Democrat-controlled statehouses and legislatures, the Wallethub article does not say that. It doesn't mention statehouse and legislature control at all. I had to look that up elsewhere. And yet the Breitbart article clearly says, in the second paragraph, "[the Wallethub survey] found that the three least-patriotic states had been controlled by Democrats serving in public office." The survey did not find any such thing. For the Breitbart article to say that the Wallethub article said that is simply a lie. That is, deceit.
  2. [Conservapedia article] The Conservapedia article repeats the lie, saying, in the third paragraph, "A 2019 WalletHub survey found that the three most unpatriotic states were completely controlled by liberal Democrats". The lie in Breitbart got carried over to Conservapedia. That's what I was trying to prevent with my edits. It's bad enough that we link to an article that is deceitful; I wanted to just link to that article without further comment. That way, readers might draw their own conclusions about Breitbart, without sullying Conservapedia's reputation along the way. But 1990'sguy reverted that, so our own article repeats the lie. That shouldn't be. SamHB (talk) 20:59, 26 July 2019 (EDT)
And incidentally, deceit is a trait practiced by liberals, Communists and adherents of Islam, all for the sake of advancing their ideologies and what they believe. Northwest (talk) 12:41, 26 July 2019 (EDT)
I'm not sure whether you are saying that people who practice deceit must be "liberals, Communists and adherents of Islam" and that no one else practices deceit; it's often hard to follow the logical points that you are trying to make. But I don't think the folks here at Conservapedia are "liberals, Communists and adherents of Islam". I certainly am not, and I don't think 1990'sguy is either; I think you are disparaging him unfairly. I think that the deceit on our "patriotism" page is accidental, and not indicative of Communism or Islam. SamHB (talk) 20:59, 26 July 2019 (EDT)
Congrats, all you accomplished (yet again) with your edit was to interrupt the flow of my post by placing part of your post in the middle of mine (which is always poor form to do) while, true to form for a liberal (which you even deny being in your post, even as you continue trying to push for liberal POVs in articles), you do a lot of talking (including twisting what I said and taking it out of context in dishonest fashion), but say little to nothing of substance (and only confirm what I posted earlier about you). The more you post, the more you only confirm what you continue to deny. Northwest (talk) 04:49, 27 July 2019 (EDT)
I reworded the Wallethub sentence so now it is more descriptive of the current situation.Conservative (talk) 22:13, 29 July 2019 (EDT)
The Breitbart reference is completely accurate -- the three least patriotic states are among the most left-wing in their politics and policies. WalletHub doesn't need to explicitly say that for it to be true. The survey affirms what we already know about an increasing number of American liberals, who are embarrassed about the founding fathers and their classical liberal values. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:21, 29 July 2019 (EDT)

References

  1. Horace, Odes (iii 2.13)
  2. Rodriguez, Katherine (June 26, 2019). Study: 3 Least-Patriotic States Run by Democrats. Breitbart News. Retrieved June 26, 2019.
  3. Adam McCann 2019’s Most Patriotic States in America Retrieved July 24, 2019.