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I am considering creating an article for [[imprecatory prayer]]. Given that I am new here and this is a somewhat controversial topic, I would appreciate some insight as to how other users of Conservapedia feel about this subject.[[User:BGross|BGross]] 18:03, 22 February 2010 (EST) | I am considering creating an article for [[imprecatory prayer]]. Given that I am new here and this is a somewhat controversial topic, I would appreciate some insight as to how other users of Conservapedia feel about this subject.[[User:BGross|BGross]] 18:03, 22 February 2010 (EST) | ||
:Feel free to start an article. I know it's controversial among different Christian congregations, but that shouldn't stop you from contributing some good factual info. [[User:DouglasA|DouglasA]] 18:55, 22 February 2010 (EST) | :Feel free to start an article. I know it's controversial among different Christian congregations, but that shouldn't stop you from contributing some good factual info. [[User:DouglasA|DouglasA]] 18:55, 22 February 2010 (EST) | ||
| − | :Thanks, DouglasA. BTW, for anyone who is not familiar with the term, [[imprecatory prayer]] refers to the act of requesting God to directly cause harm or death to one's enemies in the interest of serving God's will. There are numerous examples of this found in the Book of Psalms, and justification of IP has been cited throughout the Bible, including the Gospels and this verse: | + | ::Thanks, DouglasA. BTW, for anyone who is not familiar with the term, [[imprecatory prayer]] refers to the act of requesting God to directly cause harm or death to one's enemies in the interest of serving God's will. There are numerous examples of this found in the Book of Psalms, and justification of IP has been cited throughout the Bible, including the Gospels and this verse: |
| − | 1 Cor 16:22 NIV "If anyone does not love the Lord, a curse be on him." [[User:BGross|BGross]] 19:23, 22 February 2010 (EST) | + | ::1 Cor 16:22 NIV "If anyone does not love the Lord, a curse be on him." [[User:BGross|BGross]] 19:23, 22 February 2010 (EST) |
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| + | We don't censor ideas here. Accordingly, BGross, give it a try and over time we'll be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 19:44, 22 February 2010 (EST) | ||
| + | :Thanks for the support. I'll get to work on it. [[User:BGross|BGross]] 20:25, 22 February 2010 (EST) | ||
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C'mon Christians, get your fingers going on this page!!! Flippin 12:45, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
- Could try talking about the numerous studies that show that prayer doesn't work...... Blackjuice
Prayer isn't forbidden in public schools. Teachers leading prayer is. It singles out and segregates students of minority religions.--IanG 14:36, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- Private silent prayer isn't forbidden. But one has only to follow the controversies with valedictorians not being allowed to mention God in their speeches to know that it is more than teacher led prayer that is being suppressed. Learn together 14:54, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- That is false. My JROTC had a student Chaplain who lead prayers when we were decommissioning flags, the Campus Crusade for Christ prayed every morning before school on school property in a large group, and my drama group prayed before every show. The football team prayed before every game, in yearbooks seniors thank God for getting them through High School. There were bible meetings during lunch. So aside from some cases going too far, how was anything I put in there incorrect? There was one incident of a student who was told not to evangelize during her acceptance speech, and I agree that was inappropriate. However, one incident does not define the reality of it. There was a controversy, not several. --IanG 14:59, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- Learn together is right - you have to look at the big picture. Just because there are a handful of instances where you've witnessed prayer, doesn't mean the government and schools in general don't try to stifle it. Anyone that believes prayer should be limited to "silent prayer" so that nobody knows about it, is, I think, suffering from some sort of prayer phobia. --DRamon 15:14, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- You have to look at the big picture. Just because there are a handful of instances where you've witnessed repression of prayer, doesn't mean the government and schools in general try to stifle it. Anyone that believes prayer is limited to "silent prayer" so that nobody knows about it, is, I think, suffering from some sort of liberal phobia. I won't touch the article anymore if you don't wish, but you don't have any right to silence me here. I am not breaking any rules and I am not being rude. Just proving a point. --IanG 15:24, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- Just to be clear - you're not "proving" anything here. I'll leave your snide remarks on here if you wish, but they will only serve to embarrass you. --DRamon 15:33, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- You have to look at the big picture. Just because there are a handful of instances where you've witnessed repression of prayer, doesn't mean the government and schools in general try to stifle it. Anyone that believes prayer is limited to "silent prayer" so that nobody knows about it, is, I think, suffering from some sort of liberal phobia. I won't touch the article anymore if you don't wish, but you don't have any right to silence me here. I am not breaking any rules and I am not being rude. Just proving a point. --IanG 15:24, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- Learn together is right - you have to look at the big picture. Just because there are a handful of instances where you've witnessed prayer, doesn't mean the government and schools in general don't try to stifle it. Anyone that believes prayer should be limited to "silent prayer" so that nobody knows about it, is, I think, suffering from some sort of prayer phobia. --DRamon 15:14, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- That is false. My JROTC had a student Chaplain who lead prayers when we were decommissioning flags, the Campus Crusade for Christ prayed every morning before school on school property in a large group, and my drama group prayed before every show. The football team prayed before every game, in yearbooks seniors thank God for getting them through High School. There were bible meetings during lunch. So aside from some cases going too far, how was anything I put in there incorrect? There was one incident of a student who was told not to evangelize during her acceptance speech, and I agree that was inappropriate. However, one incident does not define the reality of it. There was a controversy, not several. --IanG 14:59, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- I stand by my statement above. One instance? I am pleased that your area, whereever it may be, still allows prayer, but the very things that you mention, even the right of the football team to pray, are shut down in large parts of the country - and it is getting worse. Learn together 15:54, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
Imprecatory prayer
I am considering creating an article for imprecatory prayer. Given that I am new here and this is a somewhat controversial topic, I would appreciate some insight as to how other users of Conservapedia feel about this subject.BGross 18:03, 22 February 2010 (EST)
- Feel free to start an article. I know it's controversial among different Christian congregations, but that shouldn't stop you from contributing some good factual info. DouglasA 18:55, 22 February 2010 (EST)
- Thanks, DouglasA. BTW, for anyone who is not familiar with the term, imprecatory prayer refers to the act of requesting God to directly cause harm or death to one's enemies in the interest of serving God's will. There are numerous examples of this found in the Book of Psalms, and justification of IP has been cited throughout the Bible, including the Gospels and this verse:
- 1 Cor 16:22 NIV "If anyone does not love the Lord, a curse be on him." BGross 19:23, 22 February 2010 (EST)
We don't censor ideas here. Accordingly, BGross, give it a try and over time we'll be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.--Andy Schlafly 19:44, 22 February 2010 (EST)
- Thanks for the support. I'll get to work on it. BGross 20:25, 22 February 2010 (EST)
