Difference between revisions of "Talk:Richard Nixon"

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The White House released edited transcripts of the tapes in April 1974, and eventually the tapes themselves, after the Supreme Court rejected Nixon's claim to executive privilege.  The House Judiciary Committee issued three articles of impeachment on July 30, 1974. The document also indicted Nixon for illegal wiretapping, misuse of the CIA, perjury, bribery, obstruction of justice, and other abuses of executive power. {{fact}}
 
The White House released edited transcripts of the tapes in April 1974, and eventually the tapes themselves, after the Supreme Court rejected Nixon's claim to executive privilege.  The House Judiciary Committee issued three articles of impeachment on July 30, 1974. The document also indicted Nixon for illegal wiretapping, misuse of the CIA, perjury, bribery, obstruction of justice, and other abuses of executive power. {{fact}}
  
"In all of this," the articles of impeachment summarize, "Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States." After conferring with Republican Seantors Nixon resigned on [[Aug. 9, 1974]].  Nixon was succeeded in office the same day by [[Vice President]] [[Gerald R. Ford]], who a month later issued a full pardon to Nixon.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:58, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
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"In all of this," the articles of impeachment summarize, "Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States." After conferring with Republican Senators Nixon resigned on [[Aug. 9, 1974]].  Nixon was succeeded in office the same day by [[Vice President]] [[Gerald R. Ford]], who a month later issued a full pardon to Nixon, in order to heal the great national rift he perceived might occur if the issue remained open.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:58, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

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Do we have to mention Nixon resigned twice? Doesn't that detract a little from more of his accomplishments, many of which are not stated here? RobS 15:27, 9 March 2007 (EST)

Considering much of the watergate scandals are not "stated here", I'd say it's fairly well balanced.

I'd say it needs some serious reorganization, though. I keep looking at it, trying to figure how to move all that text around so it makes sense (flows well), and then I keep giving up. Human 01:01, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
  • I have the childhood info, and some other to add. Just under the weather pretty bad right now. --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 04:35, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Watergate

The Watergate stuff is good; however, because Nixon (a) had no prior knowledge of the break-in, and (b) did not give prior consent to the break-in, some of the excessive detail on this page gives undue weight to a common misperception that "Nixon was behind it".

As a solution, much of this material is very good to be included elsewhere, but I firmly beleive it is extremely prejudicial and damaging to Mr. Nixon's posthumous reputatation in such as way as to be grossly unfair. Watergate is not Nixon's legacy. RobS 17:20, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

It is impossible to slander/libel the dead. Further, info on all presidential scandals ought to be added. I did try to make up for it by including info about Nixon's military service. Flippin 17:22, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

You know, it looks prejudicial because there's not much there--get on it son! ;-) Flippin 17:22, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

But that's the point, there's too much detail about the planning of the breakin, who was invovlved, etc. This for example,
it soon became evident, from hints that emerged at the trial and other details revealed in a series of articles by the Washington Post, that the break-in had the approval of higher-level government officials
is a gross distortion long time Nixon wathcers have become accustomed to. Nixon is not one of these "higher-level government officials", and yet this is used to introduce the Watergate section. This is Nixon's bio, not H.R., Erlichman, Dean, Liddy, or whoever else "gave approval". Simply put, it's innuendo, and it's a restatement of the same type of innuendo we've heard for 30+ years now. I just don't beleive carrying these kind of distortions of fact will work in CP. RobS 17:29, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Maybe it belongs in the Watergate article, too, but a synopsis of the affair belongs here--just as it does in the Whitewater and Teapot Dome examples. Flippin 17:32, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Watergate scandal has this,
Nixon had no prior knowledge of the burglary plans, nor gave consent to the escapade, yet his loyalty to subordinates led to Nixon consenting to cover up activities and transferring money from the Presidential election campaign fund to pay for the legal defense of those who were involved.
If we just flip-flopped some of the information between pages, it would work. For this bio page, Nixon's invovlement stems from his being over-loyal to wayward subordinates who acted without his prior knowledge or consent. His real failing was being loyal to them, rather than cleaning house of rascals that got him in trouble in the first place. RobS 17:39, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
How i this inaccurate? I am willing to make changes, but the watergate scandal article is not the place to begin with citing material. That is only self-referential then. Here is the way Nixon's involvement reads right now:
"The White House released edited transcripts of the tapes in April 1974, and eventually the tapes themselves, after the Supreme Court rejected Nixon's claim to executive privilege. But the damage was done; President Nixon's behavior—his cover-up of the burglary and refusal to turn over evidence—and the erosion of the public's confidence in his administration, led the House Judiciary Committee to issue three articles of impeachment on July 30, 1974. The document also indicted Nixon for illegal wiretapping, misuse of the CIA, perjury, bribery, obstruction of justice, and other abuses of executive power."
Why don't we parse this here and work out a compromise? Flippin 09:57, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

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The Watergate affair ultimately caused Nixon to resign on 9 August 1974. Nixon had no prior knowledge of a plan to burglarize Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate hotel, yet his loyalty to subordinates led Nixon to approve covering up activities and transferring money from the Presidential election campaign fund to pay the legal expenses of convicted burglarers. Former White House Counsel John Dean testified to a Congressional investigating committee of Nixon's involvement in the cover-up.

The Congressional hearings revealed Nixon had tape recorded conversations and telephone calls in his office. The president, citing Executive Privilege, refused to turn the tapes over to the committee. In Oct. 1973 Nixon ordered Elliot Richardson, the attorney general, to fire Archibald Cox, the special prosecutor who had subpoenaed the tapes, but Richardson resign in protest. Richardson's assistant, William Ruckelshaus, also refused to fire Cox and was fired by Nixon. Finally, Solicitor General Robert Bork fired Cox. The incident, which was trumped in the press as the "Saturday Night Massacre," although nobody had been killed, led to widespread calls for Nixon's impeachment.

The White House released edited transcripts of the tapes in April 1974, and eventually the tapes themselves, after the Supreme Court rejected Nixon's claim to executive privilege. The House Judiciary Committee issued three articles of impeachment on July 30, 1974. The document also indicted Nixon for illegal wiretapping, misuse of the CIA, perjury, bribery, obstruction of justice, and other abuses of executive power.[Citation Needed]

"In all of this," the articles of impeachment summarize, "Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States." After conferring with Republican Senators Nixon resigned on Aug. 9, 1974. Nixon was succeeded in office the same day by Vice President Gerald R. Ford, who a month later issued a full pardon to Nixon, in order to heal the great national rift he perceived might occur if the issue remained open. RobS 12:58, 25 April 2007 (EDT)