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:I can't tell if your comment is meant to be in support of alcohol prohibition or not... Anyway, which referendum are you referring to? As far as I can tell it was simply a vote on the US Congress. [[User:Dnotice|Dnotice]] 07:21, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:I can't tell if your comment is meant to be in support of alcohol prohibition or not... Anyway, which referendum are you referring to? As far as I can tell it was simply a vote on the US Congress. [[User:Dnotice|Dnotice]] 07:21, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:: The referendum that resulted in the [[Eighteenth Amendment]].  My ''comment'' was not meant to support or oppose alcohol prohibition.  It was merely pointing out that the comparison that you claimed, wasn't there.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:04, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:: The referendum that resulted in the [[Eighteenth Amendment]].  My ''comment'' was not meant to support or oppose alcohol prohibition.  It was merely pointing out that the comparison that you claimed, wasn't there.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:04, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 
The validity of the comparator is not due to how the law came into place but why it came into place. The war on drugs, like prohibition in the 1920s (which by the way is not historically the only anti-alcohol or anti-drug law imposed by a governing body), was introduced, or at least was claimed to be introduced (conspiracy theorists may argue against this) in order to stop people harming themselves with something potentially damaging. Maybe the word 'imposed' should be replaced with 'introduced' in your argument. The 1920s prohibition was only one instance of this kind of law - some Islamic countries I belive outlaw alcohol even now (Saudi Arabia, Qatar...). The law is also comparable to other historical anti-drug laws for the same reason - in 18th century Germany coffee was illegal because it was seen as a dangerous stimulant. Please note I'm not trying to argue for or against the law here, at least not in any objective sense, since its obvious that theres no objective answer to the problem (if we'd found it then there wouldnt be a problem right?). The law is right in a subjective sense because the government defines what is right within a society. If the government changes the law, then what is seen to be right changes, so its completely contextual. This is all the argument says I think. [[User:Ruaid|Ruaid]] 11:44, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
 
  
 
==Nancy Reagan?==
 
==Nancy Reagan?==
 
Shouldn't there be at least a mention of Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign? I was going to add it when I noticed that this page was locked. I understand that you are in the middle of an edit war, so could someone with the ability to do so add something along these lines?
 
Shouldn't there be at least a mention of Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign? I was going to add it when I noticed that this page was locked. I understand that you are in the middle of an edit war, so could someone with the ability to do so add something along these lines?
 
<p>One of the best known efforts in the war on drugs was [[Nancy Reagan|Nancy Reagan's]] <i>Just Say No</i> campaign. This 1980's television advertising campaign encouraged teens and young children to "Just say no." to illegal drugs. This campaign was arguably the most effective effort ever conducted to lower the amount of drug use in [[United States of America|American]] teens.<ref>http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/druguse/</ref></p> ~ [[User:Ithig|Ithig]] 09:46, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
 
<p>One of the best known efforts in the war on drugs was [[Nancy Reagan|Nancy Reagan's]] <i>Just Say No</i> campaign. This 1980's television advertising campaign encouraged teens and young children to "Just say no." to illegal drugs. This campaign was arguably the most effective effort ever conducted to lower the amount of drug use in [[United States of America|American]] teens.<ref>http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/druguse/</ref></p> ~ [[User:Ithig|Ithig]] 09:46, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

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DNotice, the war on drugs today has nothing to do with Prohibition of alcohol back in the 1920's; the article should be about the war on drugs only. Further, when you are comparring both, it sounds too much like a drug supporter doing a proxy comparison of both in order to legalize drugs. Karajou 12:36, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

It's a valid comparator: the nanny state/big government (whatever you want to call it) is saying to people "We won't let you do that, even in the privacy in your own home, as we don't agree with it." By the way, what do you mean when you use the term "drug supporter"? Dnotice 12:44, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
"Durg supporter" is anyone who supports and encourages the recreational use of illegal drugs; and no, what you included is not a valid comparator. Karajou 14:25, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
Why do you say it's not valid? Dnotice 15:13, 2 June 2008 (EDT)
Any chance of a response? I had the courtesy of asking you for reasons and have waited over 16 hours for a reply... Dnotice 07:45, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
Over 21 hours without a response... Can we get 24? Dnotice 12:26, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
Over 22 hours... Dnotice 13:28, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
My view has been explained; you are to provide a valid reason for comparing the two, and you will stop your silly statements on this page. Karajou 13:37, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
No, it hasn't. You've not said why it's an invalid comparator, only that you consider it is invalid. I've given my reasons. What are yours? In an event, my statements on this page aren't "silly". It was quite reasonable of me to request reasons for my edits being removed. However, due to a complete lack of response from you, I had no option but to leave further messages in order to try and obtain an answer. Dnotice 13:54, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
Two things: First, you will prove the validity of your case here, which means you will leave a detailed comparison between today's war on drugs and 1920's alcohol prohibition; the burden of proof rests on you and you alone to make your case. Second, you don't make demands of me or anyone else here. I know of your little blog [1] which smacks of someone who is against what Conservapedia is about, and you will not bring those beliefs here in the least. Karajou 00:26, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
As grateful as I'm for the free publicity of my blog (I'm guessing that it's a members-only benefit), the whole "We don't want you type around here" attitude isn't really a productive way to resolve matters, nor is it beneficial to the aim of creating an encyclopaedia. I'm trying to resolve matters in a civilised way, so I fail to see how my quite reasonable request for a reason for your reversion can be classed as a "demand". Please can you show how it falls under this description? In any event, how can I make edits when you've locked the article? Dnotice 11:43, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

"It's a valid comparator: the nanny state/big government (whatever you want to call it) is saying to people "We won't let you do that, even in the privacy in your own home, as we don't agree with it."": This is one reason why it's non a valid comparator. Prohibition was not something that the government imposed on the populace. It was voted in by the people—in a referendum to amend the constitution. Philip J. Rayment 06:58, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

I can't tell if your comment is meant to be in support of alcohol prohibition or not... Anyway, which referendum are you referring to? As far as I can tell it was simply a vote on the US Congress. Dnotice 07:21, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
The referendum that resulted in the Eighteenth Amendment. My comment was not meant to support or oppose alcohol prohibition. It was merely pointing out that the comparison that you claimed, wasn't there. Philip J. Rayment 08:04, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Nancy Reagan?

Shouldn't there be at least a mention of Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign? I was going to add it when I noticed that this page was locked. I understand that you are in the middle of an edit war, so could someone with the ability to do so add something along these lines?

One of the best known efforts in the war on drugs was Nancy Reagan's Just Say No campaign. This 1980's television advertising campaign encouraged teens and young children to "Just say no." to illegal drugs. This campaign was arguably the most effective effort ever conducted to lower the amount of drug use in American teens.[1]

~ Ithig 09:46, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
  1. http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/druguse/