Difference between revisions of "Talk:World History Homework Eleven - Model"

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IMO, some of the answers - and their evaluation - are a little bit problematic.

• The Great War was not a suburbian soccer match where the mothers of the players pretend not to keep score. Germany asked for an armistice. Unconditionally. Austria-Hungary, too. To stay in the picture above: that's the diplomatic equivalent of crying uncle. Yes, they have lost. Big time.

• Italy hadn't entered the war on the side of the central forces. It choose to enter the war on side of the allied forces in 1915. The history of Italians alliances is quite complex, but it seems to be not fair to implicate that they switched sides during the war. They just picked their team late. BTW, the musings of B. Mussolini were as important to these processes as were the opinions of H. Clinton to the War in the Gulf: just another flip-flopping politician of the opposition

• Russia: you accepted answers like

• The Allies won the “Great War” or World War I in 1918
• The Triple Entente won World War I.
• The Allies (Britain, France, Russia, Italy, Japan, and United States) won World War I. and even
• Britain, France, Russia, and America gained more power and land than any other country, but they all lost a large amount of men in World War I.

FYI: Russia wasn't represented in Versailles, it isn't counted with the victors. The triple entente was dead in 1918. And Russia lost more land and population than any other country.

For educational purposes, you should look at a map of Europe before - and after the Great War. The shifted frontiers give a clue which countries had lost - and which hadn't.

Clement ♗ 11:03, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Clement, your rant is a criticism looking for a flaw. The problem is that you haven't found a flaw. I don't think any of my students tried to use a word "suburbian" either, as you do.

If you can identify a specific error, then let's see it. So far, you haven't been able to do that, although obviously you are trying very hard.--Andy Schlafly 15:04, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

suburban / suburbian - sorry for the i: Your students have good spelling skills. Color me impressed.

However: A student should be able - after taking your lesson - to identify the parties of the Great War. As you outlined, the outcome of the war lead to many grudges held by different nations, and these grudges played an important role in the time to come.

And I don't want to talk about subtleties like Canada, New Zealand and Australia not being colonies at the time of the war, but dominions.

No, it's about the part two of the major participants had in this war.

Clement ♗ 16:20, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Clement, failing to find a specific error, you resort to vague generalities, questionable opinion, and debatable semantics (e.g., a dominion is subservient to the British monarch as a colony is).

Keep looking. Thanks and Godspeed.--Andy Schlafly 16:50, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

I don't understand you: You are lambasting me for inserting an i in suburban, but you don't have a problem with the sentence ''Britain, France, Russia, and America gained more power and land than any other country, but they all lost a large amount of men in World War I.? That's part of a fantastic analysis...

Clement ♗ 17:06, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

If you think that statement is wrong, then which country do you think gained more land than that group? Again, your lack of specificity reflects a lack of identifiable errors. And surely you don't doubt the loss of life by those four nations, or their gain in power.--Andy Schlafly 17:10, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

What land did Russia gain? What power? It became place of a civil war, and Poland defeated in the Battle of Warsaw in 1920! To be as specific as it seems to be necessary: Russia didn't gain power due to the Great War. Russia did lose land due to the Great War.

Clement ♗ 17:27, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

That took some time. A propos vague generalities: Do you see the problem with this sentence The Allies (Britain, France, Russia, Italy, Japan, and United States) won World War I now? It is less problematic than the statement discussed above, but as the teacher, you should at a comment to this one, too.

Or this good answer: In World War One, no one really “won” in the true sense of the word; the frontiers remained much as they had been before the war .

What about Poland, the Baltic States, the Free town of Danzig - the whole Ottoman Empire dissolved! Clement ♗ 00:52, 27 April 2009 (EDT)