https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Young_Earth_Creationism&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Young Earth Creationism - Revision history2024-03-28T18:05:21ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.24.2https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Young_Earth_Creationism&diff=1385151&oldid=prevDavidB4: /* Salt water on mountain tops */ indent2017-11-03T20:07:01Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Salt water on mountain tops: </span> indent</span></p>
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</table>Razanirhttps://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Young_Earth_Creationism&diff=1001834&oldid=prevEd Poor: not an official position of Conservapedia2012-08-25T20:20:23Z<p>not an official position of Conservapedia</p>
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</table>Ed Poorhttps://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Young_Earth_Creationism&diff=945715&oldid=prevFlipq: /* races */2011-12-16T04:32:58Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">races</span></span></p>
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</table>Flipqhttps://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Young_Earth_Creationism&diff=945712&oldid=prevFlipq: /* races */ -- gain of information mutations2011-12-16T04:30:41Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">races: </span> -- gain of information mutations</span></p>
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