Template talk:Examples of Liberal Bias

Isn't this a bit adolescent? It basically says "I hate liberals." Dkips 12:09, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

And when I say "I hate white people", does that make me adolescent. Chmorguphaste 12:12, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

In addition to being a bigot, yes. Why do you ask? Dkips 12:13, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

DKips, nowhere does Mr. Schlafly say that he hates liberals. Their stances and their tactics perhaps, but there's always hope that the people themselves might be saved. SSchultz 23:25, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

Hey, we all love liberals here...but you wouldn't want your sister to marry one. Maestro 23:27, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

Maestro, thanks for reminding me of another favorite liberal tactic: draw an analogy to racism, particularly when no logical argument will help. I'll add that now. Lighten up a bit, too: there's nothing wrong with observing style. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 23:33, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

This reminds me of Godwin's law. DanH 23:36, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

pretending to know more than he does

Do you know this for a fact?

resistance to quantifying things

Have you data to prove this, in a quantifiable manner?

Claim that science supports their position

This is an excellent opportunity for you to use science to quantitatively demonstrate that you are not, in fact, pretending to know more than you do. I have a little training in the social sciences; I will be happy to review your essay for you, once you develop it beyond this outline.--All Fish Welcome 23:57, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

One only need look at how liberals promote Evolution, Global Warming, and other bogus theories to realize that they try to deceive people with fake science. SSchultz 01:16, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

SSchultz, a good many liberals have faith, so your idea that "they" might be "saved" is a bit presumptive to say the least. Further, I don't pretend to know the "truth" about things like global warming or evolution only that the issues are complex and the evidence conflicted- dismissing them as bogus out of hand seems silly and intellectually lazy. As for the rest of the essay, because of the monthilic view it takes of liberalism and the broad strokes of purple crayon used to connect the dots, as it were, it reads like the rants of a disgruntled teenager. As it stands it is decidely anti-intellectual. 10:33, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Well, you're wrong about the "rants of a disgruntled teenager," and wrong about the remainder of your comments also. You also misspelled several basic words, raising further doubts about your own intellectual commitment as you complain about someone else being "anti-intellectual". You may not pretend to know the truth about global warming or evolution, but many other liberals do pretend to know AND they insist on teaching their peculiar views in public school against the wishes of parents and most taxpayers.--Aschlafly 11:06, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Snarky and deflective observations about spelling errors aside, simply pronouncing my views as wrong is unconvincing at best; I could [and do] as easily say the same about your views. Your essay is really nothing more than a rant. I judge your claims as wholly unsupported and your replies unfocused and unresponsive. I'd advise you to rework the whole thing if you wish to persuade anyone other than yourself. As it stands, you've earned an "F." This will never do. Dkips 13:10, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

We're not here to please you as a liberal. This is a conservative site and this essay is great. Your liberal POV will just give us additional material to use on this site and in this article. --Crocoite 16:42, 28 July 2007 (EDT)

Sources

I'd love to see some sources for these, um, properties, but I doubt that will ever happen without a lot of revert wars and page blocks. However, I think the newest source (here) seems to be in error. CP's (blank) deletion policy? Not sure what that has to do with hate speech. Jazzman831 13:32, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

Don't follow you, Jazzman. Are you speaking in code? Pick out one of the style items that you dispute and identify it here, and I'll track down a cite for you or delete it. In Christ,--Aschlafly 13:44, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

What's the burden of proof on an essay page? Is it subject to the Commandments? If it is not, then I don't think any of the statements should be removed (though I doubt many of them are accurate, on the whole). I guess I forgot that this was an essay page when I complained about the lack of sources. Statement retracted :) Jazzman831 14:12, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

Jazzman, Look at http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Undelete/Conservapedia_talk:Deletion_Policy. The page history has "New page: American Taliban You site is nothing but a Democratic hate site". Accusing Conservapedia or other conservative authors of being a hateful is another liberal style. --Crocoite 13:50, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

Crocoite, when I click on that link all I see is a page that says "The action you have requested is limited to users in the group "Sysops"." When I click on the link within the article, I get a page that says "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page" and there is no page history. Am I doing something wrong?

No, I don't think you're doing anything wrong. I'm a sysop and I forgot you wouldn't be able to look at that link. I did extract part of that page for you to see where the user put "You site is nothing but a Democratic hate site". See how this user accuses Conservapedia of hate speech? --Crocoite 14:33, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

Even if the link did work, though, how would that show liberal style? Does the author of that statement claim to be a liberal? How do you know his claim is credible? Jazzman831 14:12, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

The above user and several other liberals on this site and all over the internet accuse Conservatives of "hate speech" just for expressing our conservative freedom of speech. --Crocoite 14:33, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

Meh, I'm not sure I'd agree that it's a great example of liberals accusing conservatives of hate speech, but I'm not really bothered by it, since it's an essay. I understand the reference now, though, thanks. Jazzman831 19:38, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

Out of curiosity...

Are self-proclaimed Liberals allowed to look at this article and question the idea that this applies to every Liberal? Or should such people, like myself, just kinda sit back here and laugh at it? Kazumaru 23:28, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

You have free will and can laugh at anything that you can persuade yourself to be funny. No one is claiming that *all* liberals exhibit the same style, or even that *any* liberals exhibit all the style points listed. But people who share common beliefs, as liberals do, tend to exhibit some similar traits in terms of style. Not a big deal, and not something to take offense at. Denying any commonality in style would be more laughable, I think.--Aschlafly 00:05, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

So it's more of a joke than a serious essay? Kazumaru 00:10, 14 August 2007 (EDT)